03-05-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, March 5, 2003
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Jim Reichert, Planning Manager
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Leonard Filner
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:45 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the February 19, 2003 minutes
subject to the following corrections:
DRC 3740 Eli Home Shelter Expansion page 4 Paragraph 3 sentence 3 amended as follows:
To do so, the applicant may consider having different color schemes for each ~ structure.
Paragraph 10, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Staff Member Morris suggested the applicant's landscape architect Iee~d look at the curb run off.
DRC 3795 American Technologies Inc. pale 5 condition 3 amended as follows:
3. To match the eight (8) '-` ~ '' - '~ r R ~ ''""°'~"° Tristania Conferta (Brisban.e box)
in the central portion of the parking lot be increased from fifteen (15) gallon size to twenty-four (24).
DRC 3791 Pinnacle at Uptown Apartments ~a~paragraph 3 sentence 1 amended as follows:
Mr. Selman explained that this project is more of a higher density project, as suggested by the ~?
Economic Development Departrnent.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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Review and approval of the November 20, 2002, December 4, 2002, January 22, 2003 minutes were
deferred to the March 19, 2003 meeting.
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1. DRC No. 3734 -SYCAMORE PLAZA MEDICAL OFFICE
Final review of proposed exterior wall finishes for a new, two-story medical office building.
411 and 431 S. Batavia Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination on exterior wall finish.
Continued from 12-18-02 meeting)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1. The more heavily textured wall sample be used.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3757-02 -CITADEL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING (FORMERLY ST. JOSEPH
MEDICAL SYSTEMS)
Proposed phase development of two medical office buildings totaling 217,000 sq. ft of office
area.
1000 W. La Veta Avenue (south side of La Veta Avenue approximately 1,000 feet east of Main
Street)
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Continued from 07-24-02 meeting.)
Staff Member Chris Carnes explained the project and stated that the applicant is seeking approval of the
preliminary drawings and the action needed is a recommendation to the Planning Commission.
Mr. William Rabben (landscape architect), Fred Talareco (1278 Glenneyre #110, Laguna Beach), and Mr.
Paul Watkins (attorney, St. Josephy Health System) addressed the committee.
Mr. Ken Lewis, the architect, explained the minor modifications and the two different phases.
Committee Member Califf expressed concern for the massiveness of the parking structure as viewed from
the Garden Grove Freeway.
Staff Member Morris suggested not using Eucalyptus trees, due to ongoing problems with beetle
infestation.
Chair Woollett asked the applicant what sort of plants he has in mind for the parking structures. Mr.
Rabben explained they're looking for trees that like shade, vines, trumpet vines, etc., in various colors.
Chair Woollett recommended that the lighting not be like that provided in older parking structures. Mr.
Lewis explained the lighting design will be similar to Chapman University's parking structure.
Chair Woollett addressed the color scheme, stating that the colors on the drawings are better than on the
sample pallet.
Committee Member Wheeler and the applicant discussed possibly using the cornice design on the corner
of the building through to the parking structure, to bring some continuity or consistency between the two
buildings.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1) Additional details to be provided on parapet treatment consisting of two (2) colors.
2) Adjust the color samples to match elevation drawings
3) Additional details to be provided of southern elevation for the parking structure.
4) Details to be provided indicating transition of colors around base, possibility another material.
5) Lighting drawings be submitted for approval by staff.
6) Final landscape and irrigation plans be submitted to staff for final approval.
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SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3740-02 -THE ELI HOME SHELTER EXPANSION
Proposal to construct atwo-story, 3,938 sq. ft. Craftsman style building, a 1,770 sq. ft. two story
addition, a 5-stall carport with a 724 sq. ft. studio apartment above, and the demolition of a 256
sq. ft. storage unit. The subject site is two lots deep and has frontage on both Glassell and
Orange Streets)
655 South Glassell Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Continued from 02-19-03 meeting)
Staff Member Chavez-Marquez presented the project with Mr. Allen Hibbs (1200 N. Jefferson, Ste. A,
Anaheim) and Todd Bentley (1200 N. Jefferson St., Ste. A„ Anaheim). They addressed the two issues
that were incomplete from the last meeting.
1) The color scheme to show three (3) different structures on the same property.
2) The architectural style in terms of the roof overhang and the porches in front and rear.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) from the public asked a couple of questions:
Asked what the set back would be from Orange. Mr. Chavez-Marquez explained that Orange Street
is considered to be the rear of the property, which only requires a ten (10) foot setback, but the project
has a twenty (20) foot setback for the architectural element, with the porch set back 14' from the
property line..
Asked how many total units there will be. Mr. Chavez-Marquez replied there will be four (4).
Asked how many people can live there. Mr. Chavez-Marquez replied it will be three (3) families per
unit.
The committee discussed the color palette presented.
Committee Member Wheeler wanted to address some old issues concerning:
1) Corner trims - hardie plank corner trims.
2) River Rock or Arroyo Stone -the committee is looking for the arroyo stone style-- the look of
real stone, dark colors, not light colors--but not necessarily the trade name.
3) Pier cap material concrete.
Committee Member Wheeler addressed some new issues:
1) Suggests extending rakes-1/2 feet higher, to expose rafters, adding outlookers, and getting rid of
corner trims on the front building.
2) Suggests getting rid of the corner trims on the back building, allowing the eave to carry back.
3) On the front building, clarify if there is a rail that is separating the wide siding from the narrow
siding. Mr. Bentley expanded that there is a band there.
The committee's comments on the planting included:
1) Queen Palms should be eight (8) to twelve (12) foot brown trunk.
2) Define which plants are five (5) gallon and which are one (1) gallon.
3) Need a legend for the final landscaping plans.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1) Material for the corner trim called out as hardieplank.
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2) The rock to be arroyo style stone.
3) The pier cap material be concrete material.
4) Shed roof element be extended 1-ll2 feet with outlookers and braces as required.
5) The horizontal rail on the eastern building to match the western building; or as an alternate, one
siding be used for the entire elevation.
6) Stone railing wall lowered to thirty (30) inches above the porch floor.
7) On the eastern building, the eave of roof to extend across the face of the two-story element
8) Additional outlookers and brackets be added as necessary for support.
9) The Queen Palms be specified as eight (8) to twelve (12) foot brown trunk height.
10) The landscaping plans distinguish where shrubs are one (1) gallon and five (5) gallon.
ll) Final landscape and irrigation plans submitted to staff.
12) Add the staff findings in staff report.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3809-03 -BONNIE NYGREN
A proposal to construct aone-story, 550 sq. ft. addition onto the rear of an existing single-family
1921 California Bungalow.
This application was previously reviewed by the DRC on February 19, 2003.
357 S. Center Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 2-19-03 meeting)
Mr. Jim Karling and Ms. Bonnie Nygren (357 S. Center St., Orange) presented the project and addressed
adjustments made since the last meeting:
1) Roof design
2) Floor plan -door trims, wood vents, type of brick
3) Fireplace
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) from the public made the comment that it looks like the
applicant has made all the changes the committee had asked.
Committee Member Wheeler asked for a stronger note that the window trim will match existing.
Committee Member Califf asked about the brick. Mr. Darling showed a brochure showing the faux brick
material.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1) A note be added to the plans specifying that the soffits under the roof overhang will be
horizontally filled to match the existing.
2) A note be added to plan to specify the style of window trims on new construction will match
existing window trim.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3807-03 -ALAMEDA LAUNDROMAT
Proposal to redevelop an existing vacant lot with a 1,638 sq. ft. Laundromat facility with 21-
washing machines, 22-dryers, and three amusement devices. The subject site is 0.144 acres in
size and it is located at the southwest corner of Pearl and Hewes Streets.
140 North Hewes Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Ed Miller (6922 E. Monaco Pkwy, Orange) presented the project.
Chair Woollett addressed a few issues:
Suggested using Tristrania instead of Eucalyptus because of insects.
Suggested that turf instead of ground covers because it will be more sustainable.
Asked if it's the applicant's intention that this brick continues all the way around. Mr. Miller replied
in the affirmative.
The committee discussed the surface treatment, floor plan, and site plans in details.
Committee Member Califf and the applicant discussed the tile--color and size.
Committee Member Wheeler proposed that the applicant put a low block wall, three foot high, along the
west property line to keep lights from cars shining into the neighborhood.
Committee Member Califf addressed the presence of pay phones, noting that the applicant should discuss
the matter with the police department because they are very strict.
Mr. Chavez-Marquez Mario stated that the staff had made a comment about color concrete.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to continue the project.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Leonard Filner,
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3808-03 -LIGHT BULBS, ETC.
Proposal to remodel an existing tilt-up concrete building facade along the Tustin Street
Redevelopment area.
658-668 North Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Chavez-Marquez, Mr. George Alexander (658-668 N. Tustin St., Orange) and Mr. Colin Becker
presented the project and expressed that the staff is concerned with the surrounding buildings and how the
proposed project relates to them.
Chair Woollett expressed that the only concern he has is the sheet metal parapet edge coming over the top
of the building. He asked if the applicant could live without it. The applicant replied yes.
Mr. Chavez-Marquez asked if the applicant is going to re-stripe the parking lot. The applicant replied yes
and Mr. Chavez-Marquez stated there is a standard the city has for them to follow.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following
conditions:
1) No sheet metal flashing will be exposed at the top of parapet.
2) Recommendations from staff be complied with.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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7. DRC No. 3810-03 - GUTHRIE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
A proposal to upgrade the landscaping for an existing multi-tenant industrial development and
minor changes to the existing building facades.
604-648 N. Eckhoff Street
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, AICP Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. W. Skinner (3185-F Airway Ave., Costa Mesa, CA 92626) and Mr. Rob Guthrie (25200 La Paz Rd.,
Laguna Hills, CA) presented the project.
Chair Woollett asked the applicant to address the color of the building. Mr. Skinner stated they just want
to accent the building and presented the color scheme and explained where each color is applied.
Committee Member Wheeler addressed the landscaping.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following
conditions:
1) The trees that are removed to be replaced with similar trees of the same species and in size: four
4) twenty-four (24) inch box on street, and two (2) fifteen (15) gallon trees on site.
2) Color changes: color # 2 eliminated, color #5 darken one shade, and color #4 used instead of #2
color company -Frapee).
3) Final landscape and irrigation plans be submitted to staff
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Leonard Filner
ABSTAINED: None
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