02-20-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, February 20, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Susan Secoy
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Debbie Ritchey, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 6:45 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the minutes of January 9, 2002
subject to the following corrections:
DRC #3587 - Valere Tardif page 2 paragraph 3 sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Member Susan Secoy mentioned that there is are many beautiful examples around Old
Towne of grass mow strips that are very well maintained, and they also add to the character of the
property.
Page 3 paragraph 6, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Chair Joe Woollett stated that the applicant has not responded to awe any of the
committee's suggestions.
Page 3 paragraph 7 sentence 2 amended as follows:
She further explained that it is an unorthodox procedure to make the changes at the driveway that
was not approved per the original plans.
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REVIEW OF MINUTES (continued)
DRC #3658 - Katella Commerce Center, page 5, paragraph 1, sentence 4 amended as follows:
Also changed was the color of the awnings from green to taupe, as it seems to tie things together
n,~h„io~ more nicely.
SECONDED:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woolett
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:Susan Secoy
NOES:None
MOTION CARRIED
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the minutes of January 23, 2002
subject to the following corrections:
DRC #3599 - KFC/A&W page 2, paragraph 1, sentence 4 amended as follows:
At this presentation to the Design Review Committee he hopes to get some feedback to help him in
making plans ~g that will make the committee happy and also the applicant.
Page 2 paragraph 1, sentence 5 amended as follows:
The applicant said that he had started with a 4,000 sq. ft. building but because of all of the
restrictions t-bey he had to reduce the size of the building.
Page 2 paragraph 2, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Chair Joe Woollett r~S recalled that there were some landscape +eSUes and afse-anr+tkt
exterior appearance issues of with the ~ project.
Page 2 paragraph 2, sentence 6 amended as follows:
Typically with standard KFC's they have a standard red and white copula (~-?} and they have
replaced that with Mission Tile.
Page 2 paragraphs, sentence 2 amended as follows:
He asked if the patterns and colors could be incorporated in a way '^ ~^~ that would fit in with
the building better.
Page 3 paragraph 2, sentence 1 amended as follows:
Committee Member Joe Woollett suggested maybe one arch would be lowered.
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REVIEW OF MINUTES (continued)
Page 3, paragraph 3, sentence 2 amended as follows:
Staff Member Chuck Lau gave a~ an example and interpretation of what the committee is
suggesting as far as the combining the logos.
DRC #3679 -Steak Escape/Checked Cashed page 2 condition1, sentence 2 amended as follows:
The two on either side of the driveway can be a~-ept+e~ at the owner's discretion as long as they
are 165-gallon size minimum.
SECONDED:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woolett
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:Susan Secoy
NOES:None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3651 - LEROY ALLEN
Revision front elevation of a previously approved new single-story residence within Old
Towne.
633 E. Maple Avenue (Contributing Structure)
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Rick Anderson, Architect and Jack McGee, Consultant presented the project. Mr. McGee stated
this project had been approved before the committee last Fall for a new single-story residence.
They now need to modify the front elevation. All materials are the same. It is only the porch roof
that has changes.
Committee Member Leonard Filner wanted to make sure that the front setback requirement was
being addressed.
Mr. McGee answered that it was and an Administrative Adjustment had been filed prior to the
meeting and has also been approved.
The meeting was opened for public comments.
Jeff Frankel Old Towne Preservation Association, 384 S. Orange Street - Mr. Frankel stated that
the OTPA liked the original design much better than a shed roof. He also thinks it looks much
better with a full, double gabled, front facade. He knows there are other examples in the
neighborhood that do incorporate a shed style roof.
Mr. McGee stated that the owner did drive around, and took a lot of pictures, finding many with the
shed roof. Other alternatives were also looked at and one was a flat, single gable without any other
detailing at all. That one did not seem to work well.
Committee Member Susan Secoy stated that she has no problem with the proposed solution. She
feels it's integral to the community.
Committee Member Leonard Filner concurs.
A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND:Joe Woollett
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3688 - STONEGATE SENIOR APARTMENTS
Final landscape plans for a new 20 dwelling unit senior housing project.
170 N. Prospect Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau
DRC Action: Final Determination
The project was continued to the March 6, 2002 meeting, due to a lack of quorum.
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3. DRC No. 3689 -HILTON SUITES
Remodeling of outdoor recreation area for an existing hotel to include a new swimming pool,
new Jacuzzi, re-configuration of the parking lot, and addition of landscaping.
400 N. State College Boulevard
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Final Determination
Ignatius Chau-Rosett, Gene Ong -Hilton, and Jill Guerrero presented the project. They had revised
plans with them due to revisions required by the Health Department. The spa area has been
expanded. They removed some parking spaces and relocated them into another area. They have
added a 6-foot high perimeter wall and have also designed a new configuration for the pool. They
have added additional trees per the requirements from previous meeting.
Committee Member Leonard Filner asked about the trees, which were being re-located or
transplanted. His concern was regarding one Ficus tree to be relocated and what the success rate
was. Mr. Filner wanted them to know that if any of the re-located trees died within one year's time,
the tree needs to be replaced with a 36-inch box, same kind of tree. Also, SRC has a concern
about the landscaping along State College Blvd and are asking for additional landscaping. He
stated he is satisfied with just the additional landscaping being in the perimeter of area being
changed. Mr. Filner wanted them to understand the hierarchy of plants, low growing plants in front
with the taller plants in back, but not to be taller than the wall. Presently it is a hedge in front of the
wall, and they are looking for more than that (shrubbery, & foundation ground covers).
Committee Member Susan Secoy stated that the architecture is an improvement of the existing
conditions.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following
conditions:
1. In the event that any of the evergreen trees do not survive within cone-year period, they shall
be replaced with a 36-inch box like kind.
2. Provide additional foundation planting around the new wall surrounding the pool area (exterior
of the wall facing State College Blvd.).
3. Submit final landscape plans to Community Services Department staff for review and
approval. (Final Plan to include City required inspection notes)
4. Signage is included as part of project approval.
SECOND: Susan Secoy
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3697 -ORANGE COMMUNITY OF CHRIST
Expansion of an existing church facility to include a 3,990 sq.ft. building addition for a private
school.
395 S. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Matthew Bassi, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Jim Corcoran of Corcoran and Corcoran presented the project and mentioned the different phases
this project has gone through. The whole thing has taken about 5 years to get to the point they are
at now with this building addition.
Committee Member Susan Secoy noted that all materials and colors are to match the approved
materials and colors.
Committee Member Leonard Filner stated that with the addition, they are impacting the Magnolia
tree. It appears that the tree will be removed. Removal of the Magnolia tree will require
replacement with three additional trees (36 inch box).
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked what the cross was made out of. Mr. Corcoran answered that
it was a glue laminate, painted white. There are four of them, all attached to the building and part of
the structure.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett also noted that fiber reinforced siding was being used everywhere
which is extremely resilient. Mr. Corcoran stated that this was a very good item to be used,
especially on the school.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to recommend approval of the project to
the Planning Commission subject to the following conditions:
1. Mitigation for the removal of the Magnolia tree shall be replaced with three 36-inch box size
trees. (Species to be determined by the clients landscape architect)
2. Colors and finishes shall match the work that is currently being used for the sanctuary.
3. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for review
and approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes)
SECOND:Susan Secoy
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3702 -THE CREST AT SERRANO HEIGHTS (D.R. HORTON)
New 122 dwelling unit single-family residential tract development
Tract 14360 -Serrano Heights, Phase II (NWC Serrano & Nohl Ranch Rd)
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Dan Boyd, representing D. R. Horton, and Steve Peck (architect) gave an overview of the project.
The plans are to build 122 new single-family homes. The proposal included four models, three two-
story and one single-story. The proposed site plans comply with the development standards
contained in the Serrano Heights Specific Plan and the City's Zoning Ordinance.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett discussed a concern with the front setbacks, having no variation and
all being approximately 20 feet, the streetscape would have a wall appearance. To resolve the
concern, he suggested that a varied front setback for the structures would create an interesting
streetscape.
Mr. Peck stated that it looked like they were holding to the 20-foot dimensions per the City
standards. He explained that the Specific Plan allowed for measuring the structure's front setback
from the back-of-sidewalk for front-on garages while habitable space is measured from the front
property line.
Mr. Boyd discussed the limitations, because of limited lot depth. He believes some of the lots could
be redesigned to allow for deeper front setbacks than what is required by the Specific Plan.
Mr. Peck discussed that the applicant provided the minimum front setback so as to create the
largest rear yard as possible.
Mr. Peck, Mr. Boyd and the Committee agreed that this change would create a more pleasant and
interesting neighborhood.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett said that he would like to see a variation in approximately a third of
the homes.
Committee Member Susan Secoy asked for clarification on the architectural treatment for side
building elevations facing public streets on corner lots.
Mr. Peck displayed exhibits that showed where the building materials used on the front building
elevation are wrapped around the corner of the building and extend down the side wall until a
change in wall plain or the rear yard fencing.
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5. DRC No. 3702 -THE CREST AT SERRANO HEIGHTS (D.R. HORTON) -Continued
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project, subject to the
following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits for the first phase of residential development; applicant
shall submit conceptual tract fencing and landscaping plan for DRC review and approval.
2. Prior to issuance of building permits for the first phase of residential development; applicant
shall submit final building plans for DRC review. This condition is to insure that the final plans
are substantially similar to the conceptual plans considered by the DRC on February 20, 2002.
3. Final building plans to include a note that architectural treatment on residential structures on
corner lots wrap around the street side elevation to either a change in the wall plane or rear
yard fencing.
4. Site plan shall be revised to increase the front setback for one third of the new residential
structures, a minimum of one foot. The increased setback is to be distributed equally
throughout the project site.
SECONDED: Leonard Filner
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woolett
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone
NOES: None
MOTION CARRIED
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