02-19-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, February 19, 2003
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: None
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 8:25 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
Review and approval of the October 2, 2002, November 20, 2002, December 4, 2002, January
22, 2003 and February 5, 2003 minutes were deferred to the March 5, 2003
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DRC No. 3792 -JOE & MICHELLE CRUZ
Aone-story, 485 sq. ft. addition onto the side and rear of an existing single-family residence.
440 N. Shaffer Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
The applicant has revised the plans per Design Review Committee member's comments.
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Joe Cruz (440 N. Shaffer St., Orange) addressed issues that were addressed from the last meeting:
1) Shed roof on north side of addition is consistent with neighborhood.
2) A trim line of demarcation was added on the south elevation to delineate the addition from the
existing residence.
3) A roofing contractor has indicated that the existing roof material would have to be removed.
4) Windows reconfigured to match comments made by the DRC.
5) Window trims -- added in drawing, but did not add in note. Committee Member Wheeler asked
that the applicant add the detail in the note also.
6) The applicant asked the committee if it would be acceptable if he removed the two small
windows at the closet. The committee replied that it would be acceptable.
7) The south and west overhang on the garage - it was suggested that the garage gets moved four
feet off the property line on the south side or not have the eaves not extend twelve inches. The
existing structure has the eaves that extend nine inches. The applicant expressed concern that if
the garage gets moved four feet, the left spot in the garage is not easily accessible. He asked if
the DRC could assist in getting the code change. Committee Member Califf explained that the
code is not in the DRC's jurisdiction, but the DRC could make some suggestions on how to leave
it where it is. Committee Member Wheeler suggested doing a reduced eave instead of rafters.
Committee Member Califf also added that it's only a fire hazard issue if there is an overhang.
8) Mr. Cruz explained he found a couple of companies with some nice doors and reviewed various
options with the DRC members. The consensus of the committee was the applicant may choose
whatever door he likes, as long as it is appropriate for the period and should be submitted to staff
for approval prior to installation.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) from the public commented she feels the applicant is going
in the right direction.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1) Corner boards on new addition match old and notes of such are added to building plans.
2) Window trims-sills, sub sills, jams and heads--match existing.
3) Eaves on garage may be reduced to a short or almost flushed eaves to satisfy fire protection
requirements.
4) Garage door's appearance be appropriate for period and be submitted to staff for approval.
SECOND:Jon Califf
AYES:Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3740-02 -THE ELI HOME SHELTER EXPANSION
Proposal to construct atwo-story, 3,938 sq. ft. Craftsman style building, a 1,770 sq. ft. two story
addition, a 5-stall carport with a 724 sq. ft. studio apartment above, and the demolition of a 256
sq. ft. storage unit. The subject site is two lots deep and has frontage on both Glassell and
Orange Streets. 655 South Glassell Street).
655 South Glassell Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Mr. Chavez-Marquez introduced the project and Mr. Todd Bently (1200 N. Jefferson St. Suite A,
Anaheim) and Mr. Allen Hibbs (Anaheim) as the applicants.
Mr. Hibbs explained that they are proposing two (2) apartment units and a carport with a studio above in
addition to the existing residence. The design is proposed to be Craftsman style architecture to the street
frontage buildings and for the addition on the existing structure; the architecture will match the existing
residence. The uses of these buildings will be a shelter for abused women and children.
Mr. Bently explained that Staff Member Dan Ryan directed them to The House of Hope nearby as to what
is acceptable, and that's how the decision to use craftsman was decided. Mr. Bently added that even
though this is an apartment complex, they did not want it to be an appearance of an apartment, but more
as a residence.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the applicant had changed the usage numbers and addressed other
changes recommended in the staff report. Mr. Hibbs replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Chavez-Marquez summarized some of the issues addressed by staff that the applicant has complied
with:
1) Match the pilasters around the building.
2) Front elevation - to add wood siding to match the rest of the building.
3) Rear elevation - to add clearstory windows to the balcony space area and wood siding to
complement.
4) Support columns to be more proportionate to structure, instead of four by four and six by six.
5) Not to wrap the whole roof overhang, reflect more as a porch.
6) Addition to existing structure:
a. Want same kind ofarchitecture-material, windows.
b. The paint to match the overall project.
7) Carport:
a. There are some concerns still on the scale, wrap roof overhang to break up north
elevation,
b. Add a clear story window,
c. Match the pilasters along the front.
8) Submit fencing along hard court, which is submitted in current drawings.
Mr. Chavez-Marquez also added the applicant is requesting for an encroachment within the front yard
setback, two (2) feet along the front along S. Glassell and six (6) feet along Orange Street. They are also
asking for a variance between the building separations -the minimum requirement is fifteen (15) feet and
the applicant has eight (8) feet.
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Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer, Orange) asked about the FAR affecting this project. Mr. Chavez-
Marquez replied that this is not FAR, but R3 for the entire lot.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the applicant considered designing the new structure to match the
old instead of doing craftsman style. Mr. Hibbs replied that someone in the past has, but it was
terminated. He explained that based on suggestions by staff members Dan Ryan and Mario Chavez-
Marquez, the style was directed towards craftsman because of the oddity of the lot.
The committee members discussed in detail the combination of the different styles for the three buildings.
It was concluded that the project may be better served if the applicant projected the property as three
separate properties/projects. To do so, the applicant may consider having different color schemes for
each structure.
Committee Chair Woollett addressed the roof design and asked the applicant to explain their thinking in
deciding to keep the roof the way it is instead of taking the staff's suggestion. Mr. Hibbs explained that
the intent is to break up the elevation. The committee and the applicant discussed the roof styles in detail
and made some suggestions to the applicant for improvements.
The committee then addressed the garage. Mr. Hibbs explained that the preference is to have garage
doors, but after some discussions, the decision was made to go with carports.
Committee Chair Woollett addressed the two different siding styles. Mr. Hibbs replied that it was
originally rock, but he wanted to break up the area, so wanted to go with the two different sidings. The
committee expressed that they do not feel that it is necessary, but if the applicant would like to have the
two (2) different sidings, then the first part should be leveled with the windowsill and not as what's
shown.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the applicant could look at designing the stones to be larger at the
bottom and smaller at the top. Mr. Hibbs explained that is the intent and they are looking at the difference
between Royal stones and River rocks.
Committee Member Wheeler asked that the applicant to remove the note stating, "wood siding to match
existing" on the west elevation drawing-there isn't any siding to match. He also asked the applicant to
add more details concerning the wood siding-type and material.
Committee Member Filner addressed the need for the sizing of materials for landscaping. Again, with the
suggestion of having the appearance of three (3) separate projects, Committee Member Filner suggested
three (3) different landscaping schemes, one for each building.
Staff Member Morris suggested the applicant's landscape architect look at the curb run off.
Committee Chair Woollett stated that the committee would like to see the suggestions incorporated in the
drawings and brought back to the committee.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to continue the project.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3795-02 -AMERICAN TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
Proposal to construct a security enclosure around the southwest section of the site, relocate the
existing trash enclosure to the northwest corner of the site, and add required landscaping
throughout the site.
210 West Baywood Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Mr. Doug Fairless (Orange), Mr. Tom Campos (1048 Irvine Ave., #347, Newport Beach), and Mr. Jill
Reilly (Orange) presented the project.
Committee Member Wheeler had concerns over the elevation. He suggested how to line up the window
and the j am to improve the appearance.
Committee Member Filner addressed the landscaping--plant material, trees, and shrubs are covered. He
also stated that he would like to condition that anywhere there's damage or removal during construction,
then it needs to be replaced to match existing. As a mitigation measure, the trees being removed out of
the central part of the parking, to upsize the eight (8) trees from fifteen (15) gallons to twenty-four (24).
Mr. Chavez-Marquez added that according to code, the applicant needs to add another bike rack closer to
the other entrance and to enlarge the actual Orange Sect parking to meet the three hundred square feet
code requirement-currently at two hundred eighty-five (285).
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project subject to the following
conditions:
1) New window on the second floor on the east side to line up with vertical recess line of the first
floor below.
2) Replace any/all-damaged ground cover-ivy.
3) To match the eight (8) Tristrania Confertas (Brisbane box) in the central portion of the parking lot
be increased from fifteen (15) gallon size to twenty-four (24).
4) Submit final plans to staff for review.
5) Comply with staff's recommendations in staffs report.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3791-02 -PINNACLE AT UPTOWN APARTMENTS
Proposal to construct athree- to four-story 460-unit multi-family apartment complex, including
structured, enclosed, and open surface parking, two swimming pools, a leasing office/clubhouse,
active and passive open space areas, and Santa Ana River Trail access points.
3001 West Chapman Avenue (former Cinedome site)
Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, AICP, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Preliminary Comment
Committee Member Filner excused himself from the project due to conflict of interest.
Mr. Kent Marshall (BE), Mr. Jack Selman (Architect, 144 N. Orange St., Orange), Mr. Rick Polhamus
Sitescapes) (Irvine), and Mr. Bruce Bartostic AIA (Architects Orange, 144 N. Orange St., Orange) were
present to introduce the project.
Committee Chair Woollett commented that the committee is impressed with the architectural articulation,
the responsiveness of the project design to the roadway curve, and the thought devoted to the public view
of the project from off-site. The high number of units is also not a concern. But the concern is where this
development is located and how it fits into area.
Mr. Selman explained that this project is more of a higher density project, as suggested by the City's
Economic Development Department. He indicated that the focus of the design effort was to develop a
product that has a strictly residential appearance, and that residential style is easier to manipulate in terms
of enhancing visual interest.
Chair Woollett asked if the applicant could explain the reasoning behind the Spanish style design. Mr.
Selman replied that they would like to have an Italian/Tuscany style. The reasoning is that they are
working on two other projects in the same area, which he feels should relate in elevation and scale, but
different in style. Since the other two projects are not Mediterranean at all, this one, with its Spanish
style, would have a residential feel, which is their aim. Also, the client and the city want an upscale
project and the Spanish style complements that.
Committee Member Wheeler commented that the project is well detailed and well broken up.
Mr. Selman then described the different story buildings in different areas of the project, using the
drawings and prints for illustration.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if there is concern over the blockage of the sun in the courtyard areas
because of the four- (4)-story buildings. Mr. Polhamus replied that this is a concern and he believes the
diversified landscaping will accommodate that. Committee Member Wheeler suggested that the applicant
consider using lighter exterior building colors to help with this issue. Mr. Selman replied that would be a
good idea.
Committee Member Wheeler then addressed the issue of putting lightings along the trail for safety
concerns. Mr. Marshall replied that this issue has been raised and discussed; the conclusion is that there
would only be lights at the gates, which will also be shut at dusk, and not along the whole trail because of
liability issues.
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Chair Woollett commented that he likes seeing a project of this scale in this location, as it is able to off-
set the massive appearance of the freeway. Mr. Marshall also added that the riverbank affects the height
and scale of the project also.
Chair Woollett asked about connections for pedestrians. Mr. Marshall replied that after meeting with the
SRC and the police, the conclusion is to only have connections at certain points, as designated on the
drawings. They are in the process of discussing with public works the possibility of relocating the bus
stop at the front of the entrance.
Committee Member Wheeler addressed the type of fencing to be used. A discussion ensued and
possibilities were shared. More research needs to be done before a decision can be made.
Chair Woollett asked if the drawing is showing carports or garages. Mr. Selman replied that the drawings
depict garages, although the design details have not been decided upon. The committee and the applicant
talked about the garage in more details and the neighbors to the parking garage areas. They discussed the
possibility of having a setback to the garage due to vandalism and possible development on adjacent
property.
Committee Member Wheeler addressed the landscaping and Mr. Polhamus replied that they are in the
process of having an arborist prepare a study in order to decide which trees can be kept and which will
have to be replaced. They discussed the landscaping possibilities in further detail.
The committee reassured the applicant that they did not have concerns about the design, but requested
more details with respect to exterior building finishes and elevations, roof plans, commitment to quantity
and sizing for landscaping, and type of species/palette, and locations.
Preliminary Review - No action taken.
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DRC No. 3809-03 -BONNIE NYGREN
A proposal to construct cone-story, 550 sq. ft. addition onto the rear of an existing single-family
1921 California Bungalow.
357 S. Center Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Ms. Bonnie Nygren (357 S. Center St., Orange) and Mr. Jim Karling presented the project.
The applicants and committee reviewed the committee's members concerns with the proposed roof style
because the existing residence structure has four different roof styles already, and the addition adds a
fifth. He asked if there is any way to make the roof look more consistent.
Committee Member Wheeler expressed concerns for the location of the door and that a note be added to
the plans to say that the proposed window will match the existing window- 3640 single window.
Also noted by committee members were the proposed roof vents should be constructed of wood and that
the proposed fireplace should be redesigned to be compatible with the proposed architectural style.
Mr. Karling and Committee Member Wheeler discussed different possibilities for the roof design.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to continue the project.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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DRC No. 3806-03 -THE LONGFIN -MIKE WILLIS
A proposal for a new monument sign for a retail business.
2730 E. Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved on Consent Calendar
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following
condition:
1. The brick being shown for the base of the sign match the brick on the building itself.
SECOND: Leonard Filner
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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