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02-18-2004 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES February 18, 2004 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Craig Wheeler Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner Committee Member Absent: Donnie Dewees Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:00 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the September 17, 2003 meeting minutes as submitted. SECOND:Craig Wheeler AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES :None ABSENT:Donnie Dewees, ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the October 22, 2003 meeting minutes subject to the following corrections: DRC 3826-03 -Richard & Susanne Schaefer, pale 4, condition 2 amended as follows: 2. The exterior elevations show dormers on both the east and west sides, however, the roof plan, framing plan, and sections show only a dormer on eta the west side to make the drawings consistent. Condition 3, amended as follows: 3. The dormer's ridge is level with the ridge of the garage, whereas another elevation shows the dormer about 18" lower than the main roof to make the drawings consistent. Condition 5, amended as follows: City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 2 5. Section 4, on Sheet A-5 calls out a roof pitch of 4:12 and specifies that it should match existing, the sections scale out as drawn as 8:12 while the elevations scale out at 9: 12 to make the drawings snore consistent. Condition 7, amended as follows: 7. The elevations ~'^ rR~ should show exposed rafter tails on the dormer roof(s). SECOND:Craig Wheeler AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED A motion was made by Conunittee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the December 17, 2003, meeting minutes subject to the following corrections: DRC 3871-03-Care Ambulance, pa~5, question re ag rding Jon Califf's absence explained as follows: ABSENT: Jon Califf This item was heard out of order and became last on the agenda. Committee Member Jon Califf had a prior commitment and had to leave the meeting at 7 pm therefore he was unable to participate on this project.) SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 3 1. DRC No. 3722-02 - ARCO GAS STATION AND AM/PM MIl~II-MART Continued from the November 19, 2003 DRC Meeting) Proposal to redevelop an existing service station from 20,715 sq. ft. site to 35,698 sq. ft. site, demolish the existing 1,760 sq. ft. AM/PM Mini-Mart and rebuild it to 2,997 sq. ft., demolish the existing 1,148 sq. ft. (approximately) canopy and rebuild it to 4,858 sq. ft. 1935 East Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission and City Council The applicants, Craig Yamasaki (4 Centerpointe Drive, La Palma) and Leslie Burnside (9089 Clairemont Mesa Boulevard, San Diego) gave an overview of the changes to the project since it was last seen by the DRC. There was an addition of Country Legend wainscot, and there were trellises added on the 55 Freeway and Katella Street frontages (creeping fig). At the last Design Review Committee meeting, staff recommended the side of the tower elements be widened to 13'-6", to enhance the side elevations and complement the front towers. This will help break the box-like form of the building, while also balancing the side tower elements to match the width of the front towers. The applicant had concerns about the amount of increase that staff was recommending. In terms of landscaping, the applicant is preserving 10 existing trees, and are proposing 36" strawberry trees (an increase in size), six 24" camphor trees, six 15 gallon Pink Melaluca, four Queen Palms ranging in heights from 8, 10, and 12 feet, and shrubs throughout the site. There is a much larger landscape presence now then previously proposed. There was a concern by staff, as to whether the bull-nose element on the canopy really tied in with the buildings. The buildings need to look like they relate to each other. It was noted that the challenge for both the applicant and the DRC is to ensure that the policies of both ARCO and the City of Orange are met. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 4 A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1) The landscape and irrigation inspection notes be added to the drawings before presentation for the building permit. 2) The trash enclosure be moved from the north property line to a location near the building adjacent to parking, and that the parking then be shifted to the east as long as there are no technical reasons preventing it (this means the elimination of some landscaping at the east side of the parking). 3) The metal on the curved roof portion of the building be a smooth finish. 4) The east and west sides of the towers be approximately 6'-6" wide (as shown in the color elevations). 5) The decorative paving be stamped concrete in a slate pattern with the color similar to the stone on the building. 6) The cornice on the parapet be removed. 7) The top of the sign at the southeast corner be curved to match the shape of the metal roof on the building, and that the background color of the sign is acceptable to the trademark guidelines of BP/ Arco. 8) Vines on the trellises on the south and east side of the building, not be creeping fig but rather a climbing type vine (such as trumpet vine or cats claw). SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Donnie Dewees, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 5 2. DRC No. 3766-02 - IN-N-OUT BURGER RESTAURANT Proposal to change the material of the skirt of the building and the columns. 2585 North Tustin Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez DRC Action: Final Determination The applicant was not in attendance, and the item was approved on the Consent Calendar. A motion was made by Committee Member Joh~i Califf to approve the project as submitted. SECOND:Craig Wheeler AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 6 3. DRC No. 3881-04 - LEASON POMEROY III Proposal to construct a 640 sq. ft. detached accessory 2"d unit and garage 230 N. Grand Street (Old Towne Orange Historic District) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner Historic Preservation DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission A presentation was made by Leason Pomeroy III (architect for the project). His son, Leason Pomeroy N is the current owner, purchasing it from the original owner (the house was built in 1909). The garage had burned down, and an aluminum shed had been built over the remaining slab, which is where the new garage is to be built. The goal is to have a 2-car garage with a workshop, along with an apartment (2 bedrooms and 2 baths), which is to be rented out. It also provides 2 additional off-street parking spaces, which is one more than is required. He explained that the 2-story design worked with the neighborhood as there was an existing 2-story building on the property line (in violation of the setback, he believed) on one side, and another (non- contributing) 2-story structure on the other side. The owner has worked with his neighbors on both sides, and just recently built a community fence between his property and the property next door. Public Participation: Janet Crenshaw, 464 N. Shaffer -Noted the way it is designed, that there is an invasion of privacy issue; displeased with amount of concrete being used, too much. Jeff Frankel, 384 S. Orange -Also noted privacy issue, and wondered about the line of site from the street, how much would be visible from the street. The applicant explained that there were no invasion of privacy issues, as the proposed windows face the existing (applicant's) house as well as facing a garage wall. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. Overhang and eave details more closely match the existing house; the eaves have the curved form to match the existing house; the brackets are the same size and shape as the existing house; and the brackets terminate in a freeze board to match the existing house. 2. The roof pitch of the new addition shall be adjusted so as not to exactly match the existing house (which is steeper), but keep the ridge in approximately the same place as shown on the drawing, while raising the plate of the house enough to permit the eave detailing to match the existing, and the distance from the top of the windows to the underside of the freeze board more closely match the existing house. 3. The roof overhang added to the first story addition shall match the roof overhang of the upper level; the posts supporting that roof be restudied to use either aturn-post or a round column that is more in keeping with the period. The applicant should consider an eyebrow across the front, but this is not required. The applicant shall resize the bedroom windows to ensure they are in compliance with code requirements for light and air and for egress. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 7 Conditions of Approval (contimled) 4. Choose garage and exterior door styles more in keeping with the historic period of the house. 5. Items 1-5 of the Staff Recommendations be included; note that item #6 will not be included. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 8 4 DRC No. DRC No. 3884-04 - YATES RESIDENCE Proposal to construct 60 sq. ft. laundry room and remodel an existing bathroom and kitchen to an existing 1922 Craftsman Bungalow residence. 625 East Palmyra Avenue (Old Towne Historic District) Staff Contact: Mario Ch~ivez-Marquez, Assistant Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The staff presentation was made by Mario Chavez-Marquez and the designer, John Yvon, 4121 Howard Avenue, #7, Los Alvmitos, CA 90720 Public Participation: Jeff Frankel, 384 S. Orange Street Janet Crenshaw, 464 N. Shaffer Complimented the applicant and designer on the re-use of existing equipment as well as the design of the structure. Members of the Committee expressed concern about the size of the bedroom window -may not have enough light and air, as well as may not be up to code requirements for egress. Also suggested coming up with a new wood railing that ties the addition with the existing house and is more closely tied with the historical period. A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. The egress and light and air issues be studied for the bedroom and that any changes in the window be done in a manner that produces similar proportions to the window opening and similar style of window in both material and operation. 2. Recommendations of the Staff Report be included in the motion for approval. 3. New wood railing (period style) optional. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED: Jolml Califf City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 9 MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 10 5. DRC No. 3887-04 -JOE & LINDA DAY - EDWARDS HOUSE RELOCATION Proposal to relocate a 1921 Craftsman Residence and construct aone-car garage 242 W. Almond Avenue (Old Towne Orange Historic District) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner Historic Preservation DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Joe and Linda Day, the applicants, accompanied by their architect John Turner, gave a presentation on the plan to move the historic Edwards House. Linda Day noted that the staff committee wanted to know what type of fence was going between the two existing buildings, and she stated it would be an open lattice-type fence, approximately 6 feet high, with a decorative top. The applicants are proposing to build aone-car garage in keeping with the historic style. This would require a permit for a reduction in parking, as well as a minor reduction in setback. Public Participation: Janet Crenshaw, 464 N. Shaffer Nora Jacob, Library Services Director, 101 N. Center Street Jeff Frankel, 384 S. Orange Street It was noted that the diamond-pattern on the brick would be saved. Additionally, the neighbors at the new proposed site have expressed their delight in the moving of this house to their neighborhood. Members of the committee had the following questions/concerns: Has the mover discussed the what will happen with the windows during the move? The windows will be removed prior to the move. Were the eaves originally 24" and you've already cut them down to 18"? They're going to go down to 12". For some reason, if the unique brick is not able to be saved, how would that be handled? It was suggested that perhaps the brick from the back could be utilized i.e., saw cut) and used in the front if necessary. Is there a proposed color scheme? Linda Day showed the drawings to the committee. When is the move proposed to occur? Towards the end of June, or the first part of July 2004. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for February 18, 2004 Page 11 A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project subject to the following conditions and in accordance with the recommendations of the staff: L If there is a change in the decorative brick material required (due to the demolition) that the material be brought back to the Design Review Committee for approval. SECOND:Joe Woollett AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Donnie Dewees ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED