01-23-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
for Wednesday, January 23, 2002
Committee Members Present: Alice Angus
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator
Debbie Ritchey, Recording Secretary
Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 6:50 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
The review and approval of the January 9, 2002 minutes was deferred to the February 6, 2002
meeting.
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Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002
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DRC No. 3599 -KFC/A&W
New 2,580 sq. ft. restaurant building with drive-thru window.
2469 N. Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez Marquez -Planning Aide
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Ahmad Ghaderi with A & S Engineering presented the project. This will be a re-build of an
existing KFC facility with an added partner of A&W. The plan has gone through several
revisions with Public Works, Traffic, and Landscaping and Mr. Ghaderi feels they have worked
out all of the issues as far as the site layout. At this presentation to the Design Review
Committee he hopes to get some feedback to help him in making plans that will make the
committee happy and also the applicant. The applicant said that he had started with a 4,000 sq.
ft. building but because of all of the restrictions they had to reduce the size of the building.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett recalled that there were some landscape and exterior
appearance issues with the project. Mr. Ghaderi addressed the landscape issues; one being
the applicant had requested the reduction in the required amount of landscaping (not square
footage, but the width of the landscaping). The requested amount was from 6 feet and the
request was to reduce it to 4 feet. It was established that the overall area of landscaping does
exceed the minimum. In regards to the appearance of the building Committee Chair Joe
Woollett noted that changes had been made around the base of the building and Mr. Ghaderi
said that the building is stucco and they have added the at the bottom. Typically with standard
KFC's they have a standard red and white copula and they have replaced that with Mission Tile.
For A&W there is typically only one tower over the main entrance and another tower was added.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked about what was presented on the east side of the building
and the colors of the building. Mr. Ghaderi said they were just playing with the colors and they
can change the colors as needed.
Committee Member Leonard Filner asked if there was just one main entrance into the building?
Mr. Ghaderi said there is one main entrance and also a side entrance.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett commented on the patterns, on the signs, for KFC and A&W. He
asked if the patterns and colors could be incorporated in a way that would fit in with the building
better. He understands it's a difficult problem.
Committee Member Leonard Filner asked if the one tower could be eliminated and if the KFC
logo and the A&W logo could be combined? Mr. Ghaderi explained that even though KFC is the
main operator he has two logos and two entity's he has to work with and get approval from. Mr.
Filner also noted that the A&W logo really doesn't stand out because the checkerboard is
incorporating the same colors that are in the logo in the marquee. He would be more
comfortable with the checkerboard reduced and to read like KFC's.
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1. DRC No. 3599 - KFC/A&W (Continued)
Committee Member Alice Angus agreed that she would also rather see one tower element;
thinks it's currently two busy on both elevations and wonders how those two would be
combined.
Committee Member Joe Woollett suggested maybe one arch could be lowered. Mr. Ghaderi
answered that once he gets corporate approval it's wide open, to either bring the arch down or
do whatever. But each time a change is made he needs to bring it back to the applicant for
approval and does not want to do anything without their approval. He could not bring changes
to the committee without the applicant's approval first.
Committee Member Leonard Filner suggested Mr. Ghaderi bring some pictures next time. Staff
Member Chuck Lau gave an example and interpretation of what the committee is suggesting as
far as the combining the logos. Mr. Ghaderi said he doesn't see this being a problem but may
have to raise the building height a bit.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to continue the project
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy,
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3618 -JIM WOOLEY
Final review of landscape and fuel modification plans for a new custom single-family
residence at Prospect Hills.
6203 E. Cliffway Drive
Staff contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Jim Wooley, applicant presented the project.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett verified that Mr. Wooley had met with the Fire Department and
they have approved the fuel modification plans. Mr. Wooley stated they have gone four steps
beyond what Mr. Groseclose and Wendy Saunders of the Fire Department wanted to be done
as far as the irrigation, planting, location and the amount of irrigation they need to furnish.
Committee Member Leonard Filner had a question regarding the irrigation system shown on the
plans (Zone A) wondering who was responsible for the irrigation of the additional 30 feet. Mr.
Wooley said he was fully responsible in the irrigation of the whole 50 feet. The Homeowners
Association was not responsible for taking care of any of it.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett spoke of Mr. Wooley's responsiveness on this project.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the
following condition:
1. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for
approval. (Final plan to include City required inspection notes)
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3679 -STEAK ESCAPE/CHECKS CASHED
Facade remodel and wall signs for a new restaurant and existing check cashing
business in an existing building.
445 S. Main Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide
DRC Action: Final Determination
Continued from 11-07-2001 meeting)
Elizabeth Koh, architect presented the project. She spoke of the changes made since the last
meeting. They spoke to the Lessor and some arrangements were worked out with the legal
department. They have agreed to carry out the design through the entire site, including the
parapet wall, on the west elevation and south elevation, which is the check cashing side. Paint
the entire building to have like colors for both buildings. Checks Cashed will change their
awning to the proposed Arctic Blue. Steak Escape will maintain their facade color, which is
black, with Steak Escape's facade also being black. They will take out the graphic and install
the opaque film to cover the area. In lieu of the graphics they will be installing store decals (2
sq. ft. per decal) on both sides of the building. Steak Escape will maintain the gooseneck
lighting that is part of the Steak Escape design. It will not follow through to Checks Cashed.
The committee was very happy with the changes that have been made on the plans.
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the
following conditions:
1. Applicant to add 4 trees with the 2 trees along the eastern property line to match the
existing. The two on either side of the driveway can be at the owner's discretion as long as
they are 15-gallon size minimum.
2. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Department of Community Services staff for
approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes).
SECOND:Alice Angus
AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3695 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
Replacement of an existing dormitory (Cheverton Hall) and surface parking lot with a
new four-story, ±300 bed dormitory and six-level, 600 space parking structure.
One University Drive (generally west of Shaffer St. & north of Walnut Ave.)
Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation
John Biggs of Chapman University introduced Ken Ryan of EDAW who then presented the
project. His presentation included focusing on comments from the committee's last meeting.
The first item was open space. They have defined definite seating areas, to give students the
opportunity to gather in a setting where they could meet and talk and feel comfortable. The
second item was a shadow analysis. The analysis shows there is no shadow impact in any
areas adjacent to the property. The third item was regarding questions about the lighting. The
last meeting there was a photometric study just for the top of the parking structure. They have
done afollow-up on that. They have also done a photometric study for the hall. A handout was
given to the committee. Mr. Ryan explained the significance of the candle light analysis. They
evaluated the existing Lemon Street facility and the proposed parking structure.
A lengthy discussion of the lighting followed.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett wanted clarification that less light will be seen from the new
facility than the existing Lemon Street facility. Bob Hornacek, architect, said about % as much
light would be seen from the new facility, compared to the Lemon Street facility.
Committee Member Leonard Filner wanted to know how the style of lighting (not just on the
structure, but also around the structure) relates to the rest of the campus? Mr. Hornacek
answered that similar fixture types are being used throughout the campus.
Mr. Ryan spoke next of the Residence Hall and breaking up the massing by moving the roof
overhang. Mr. Hornacek has addressed this issue in the plans. Mr. Hornacek has also done
work with the colors, using a lighter color band on the top portion. This general style is
residential without trying to be specifically Craftsman, Victorian, or Mission, since it is a 4-story
building and not a typical residence. Then he spoke of the corners of the building. If you're
looking from Grand across the property through the parking lot you'll see the corner. The
corners of the building become the thing you see the most. They also created some cornice
elements, which get a little dwarfed because of the size of the structure. The top two levels
adjacent to the corners will be planted.
The committee was very happy with the presentation and felt all of the issues had been covered
very well.
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4. DRC No. 3695 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY (Continued)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett for an informal positive recommendation
of the project.
SECOND:Leonard Filner
AYES:Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy
ABSTAINED:Alice Angus
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3700 -ORANGE COUNTY HONDA
New wall and freestanding signs for an existing motorcycle dealership.
777 N. Main Street
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Approved as Consent Item)
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project as submitted.
SECOND: Alice Angus
AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy,
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. MAIN LIBRARY EXPANSION -CITY OF ORANGE
Preliminary master plan for the Orange Main Library expansion.
NWC Chapman Avenue and Center Street (Former Bank of America site)
Staff Contact: Nora Jacob -City Librarian
DRC Action: Preliminary Discussion Only - No Action Required
Librarian Nora Jacob presented the plans for the Main Library. In July 2001 a consultant was
hired to help prepare a 20 Year Master Plan for Library Services, as there is State money
available, in the form of a Library Bond Act, which makes it possible for jurisdictions to apply for
up to 20 million dollars for projects. They began by looking at what Orange needs, and have
completed the "needs assessment" process. What is needed is approximately twice as much
space as the City currently has. The three main facilities, Main Library, Taft Branch and EI
Modena Branch, together have approximately 37,000 square feet. The standard in assessing
Library Services is about .7-.9 sq. ft. per person, and the City has .25. The need is for all of the
facilities, and also a branch is needed at the East end of the City. The Council has focused on
where the priorities should be to pursue the Bond Application money. At the consultants'
recommendation, it was felt that the Bond Application money should go for a Main Library. This
was decided because the Main Library serves the whole city and land is immediately available,
which the City owns. Plans are to get an architect on board, also an environmental consultant,
and then to pull together a process that would help the City to answer questions that need
answered in terms of the design of a Main Library that the community will embrace. As the
process progresses the City would like to keep the Committee informed of current plans.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked if any thought had been given to terminating the street
bridging the two sites? Ms. Jacob answered that this is one of the questions that needs to be
addressed. What to do with the existing Main Library? What to do with Center Street, since it's
between the existing library and the site being discussed? What to do about parking, in an area
that's generally under parked? And what to do about the Edwards House, which is the historic
building that the City owns immediately adjacent to the Main Library on the East.
Committee Member Alice Angus asked that Ms. Jacob talk a bit regarding time frame and how
quickly everything will be moving. Ms. Jacob said that one of the reason's the consultant
recommended the Main Library site and the Main Library, as the City's project is that the Bond
Act happens very quickly. The first round of applications is due June 14, 2002; second round
will be March 2003 with the final round would be in 2004. The state is holding a series of
workshops around the state just to go through the applications line by line, to let it be known
what expectations are. The City is heading for round 1, because there will be fewer applications
and the money is larger. Its $150,000,000 to be allocated in round 1, verses $110,000,000 in
round 2. Average project costs are $9,000,000, which means approximately 11 - 13 projects,
will be awarded in the first round.
Ms. Jacob said she would make sure that the committee would be made aware of any public
forum, and anything that belongs in the purview of the committee.
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