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01-23-2002 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, January 23, 2002 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Debbie Ritchey, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:50 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM The review and approval of the January 9, 2002 minutes was deferred to the February 6, 2002 meeting. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 2 DRC No. 3599 -KFC/A&W New 2,580 sq. ft. restaurant building with drive-thru window. 2469 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez Marquez -Planning Aide DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission Ahmad Ghaderi with A & S Engineering presented the project. This will be a re-build of an existing KFC facility with an added partner of A&W. The plan has gone through several revisions with Public Works, Traffic, and Landscaping and Mr. Ghaderi feels they have worked out all of the issues as far as the site layout. At this presentation to the Design Review Committee he hopes to get some feedback to help him in making plans that will make the committee happy and also the applicant. The applicant said that he had started with a 4,000 sq. ft. building but because of all of the restrictions they had to reduce the size of the building. Committee Chair Joe Woollett recalled that there were some landscape and exterior appearance issues with the project. Mr. Ghaderi addressed the landscape issues; one being the applicant had requested the reduction in the required amount of landscaping (not square footage, but the width of the landscaping). The requested amount was from 6 feet and the request was to reduce it to 4 feet. It was established that the overall area of landscaping does exceed the minimum. In regards to the appearance of the building Committee Chair Joe Woollett noted that changes had been made around the base of the building and Mr. Ghaderi said that the building is stucco and they have added the at the bottom. Typically with standard KFC's they have a standard red and white copula and they have replaced that with Mission Tile. For A&W there is typically only one tower over the main entrance and another tower was added. Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked about what was presented on the east side of the building and the colors of the building. Mr. Ghaderi said they were just playing with the colors and they can change the colors as needed. Committee Member Leonard Filner asked if there was just one main entrance into the building? Mr. Ghaderi said there is one main entrance and also a side entrance. Committee Chair Joe Woollett commented on the patterns, on the signs, for KFC and A&W. He asked if the patterns and colors could be incorporated in a way that would fit in with the building better. He understands it's a difficult problem. Committee Member Leonard Filner asked if the one tower could be eliminated and if the KFC logo and the A&W logo could be combined? Mr. Ghaderi explained that even though KFC is the main operator he has two logos and two entity's he has to work with and get approval from. Mr. Filner also noted that the A&W logo really doesn't stand out because the checkerboard is incorporating the same colors that are in the logo in the marquee. He would be more comfortable with the checkerboard reduced and to read like KFC's. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 3 1. DRC No. 3599 - KFC/A&W (Continued) Committee Member Alice Angus agreed that she would also rather see one tower element; thinks it's currently two busy on both elevations and wonders how those two would be combined. Committee Member Joe Woollett suggested maybe one arch could be lowered. Mr. Ghaderi answered that once he gets corporate approval it's wide open, to either bring the arch down or do whatever. But each time a change is made he needs to bring it back to the applicant for approval and does not want to do anything without their approval. He could not bring changes to the committee without the applicant's approval first. Committee Member Leonard Filner suggested Mr. Ghaderi bring some pictures next time. Staff Member Chuck Lau gave an example and interpretation of what the committee is suggesting as far as the combining the logos. Mr. Ghaderi said he doesn't see this being a problem but may have to raise the building height a bit. A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to continue the project SECOND: Alice Angus AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 4 2. DRC No. 3618 -JIM WOOLEY Final review of landscape and fuel modification plans for a new custom single-family residence at Prospect Hills. 6203 E. Cliffway Drive Staff contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Jim Wooley, applicant presented the project. Committee Chair Joe Woollett verified that Mr. Wooley had met with the Fire Department and they have approved the fuel modification plans. Mr. Wooley stated they have gone four steps beyond what Mr. Groseclose and Wendy Saunders of the Fire Department wanted to be done as far as the irrigation, planting, location and the amount of irrigation they need to furnish. Committee Member Leonard Filner had a question regarding the irrigation system shown on the plans (Zone A) wondering who was responsible for the irrigation of the additional 30 feet. Mr. Wooley said he was fully responsible in the irrigation of the whole 50 feet. The Homeowners Association was not responsible for taking care of any of it. Committee Chair Joe Woollett spoke of Mr. Wooley's responsiveness on this project. A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following condition: 1. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Community Services Department staff for approval. (Final plan to include City required inspection notes) SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 5 3. DRC No. 3679 -STEAK ESCAPE/CHECKS CASHED Facade remodel and wall signs for a new restaurant and existing check cashing business in an existing building. 445 S. Main Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 11-07-2001 meeting) Elizabeth Koh, architect presented the project. She spoke of the changes made since the last meeting. They spoke to the Lessor and some arrangements were worked out with the legal department. They have agreed to carry out the design through the entire site, including the parapet wall, on the west elevation and south elevation, which is the check cashing side. Paint the entire building to have like colors for both buildings. Checks Cashed will change their awning to the proposed Arctic Blue. Steak Escape will maintain their facade color, which is black, with Steak Escape's facade also being black. They will take out the graphic and install the opaque film to cover the area. In lieu of the graphics they will be installing store decals (2 sq. ft. per decal) on both sides of the building. Steak Escape will maintain the gooseneck lighting that is part of the Steak Escape design. It will not follow through to Checks Cashed. The committee was very happy with the changes that have been made on the plans. A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. Applicant to add 4 trees with the 2 trees along the eastern property line to match the existing. The two on either side of the driveway can be at the owner's discretion as long as they are 15-gallon size minimum. 2. Submit final landscape and irrigation plans to Department of Community Services staff for approval. (Final plans to include City required inspection notes). SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3695 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY Replacement of an existing dormitory (Cheverton Hall) and surface parking lot with a new four-story, ±300 bed dormitory and six-level, 600 space parking structure. One University Drive (generally west of Shaffer St. & north of Walnut Ave.) Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, Senior Planner DRC Action: Recommendation John Biggs of Chapman University introduced Ken Ryan of EDAW who then presented the project. His presentation included focusing on comments from the committee's last meeting. The first item was open space. They have defined definite seating areas, to give students the opportunity to gather in a setting where they could meet and talk and feel comfortable. The second item was a shadow analysis. The analysis shows there is no shadow impact in any areas adjacent to the property. The third item was regarding questions about the lighting. The last meeting there was a photometric study just for the top of the parking structure. They have done afollow-up on that. They have also done a photometric study for the hall. A handout was given to the committee. Mr. Ryan explained the significance of the candle light analysis. They evaluated the existing Lemon Street facility and the proposed parking structure. A lengthy discussion of the lighting followed. Committee Chair Joe Woollett wanted clarification that less light will be seen from the new facility than the existing Lemon Street facility. Bob Hornacek, architect, said about % as much light would be seen from the new facility, compared to the Lemon Street facility. Committee Member Leonard Filner wanted to know how the style of lighting (not just on the structure, but also around the structure) relates to the rest of the campus? Mr. Hornacek answered that similar fixture types are being used throughout the campus. Mr. Ryan spoke next of the Residence Hall and breaking up the massing by moving the roof overhang. Mr. Hornacek has addressed this issue in the plans. Mr. Hornacek has also done work with the colors, using a lighter color band on the top portion. This general style is residential without trying to be specifically Craftsman, Victorian, or Mission, since it is a 4-story building and not a typical residence. Then he spoke of the corners of the building. If you're looking from Grand across the property through the parking lot you'll see the corner. The corners of the building become the thing you see the most. They also created some cornice elements, which get a little dwarfed because of the size of the structure. The top two levels adjacent to the corners will be planted. The committee was very happy with the presentation and felt all of the issues had been covered very well. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 7 4. DRC No. 3695 - CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY (Continued) A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett for an informal positive recommendation of the project. SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy ABSTAINED:Alice Angus MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 8 5. DRC No. 3700 -ORANGE COUNTY HONDA New wall and freestanding signs for an existing motorcycle dealership. 777 N. Main Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: Alice Angus AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for January 23, 2002 Page 9 6. MAIN LIBRARY EXPANSION -CITY OF ORANGE Preliminary master plan for the Orange Main Library expansion. NWC Chapman Avenue and Center Street (Former Bank of America site) Staff Contact: Nora Jacob -City Librarian DRC Action: Preliminary Discussion Only - No Action Required Librarian Nora Jacob presented the plans for the Main Library. In July 2001 a consultant was hired to help prepare a 20 Year Master Plan for Library Services, as there is State money available, in the form of a Library Bond Act, which makes it possible for jurisdictions to apply for up to 20 million dollars for projects. They began by looking at what Orange needs, and have completed the "needs assessment" process. What is needed is approximately twice as much space as the City currently has. The three main facilities, Main Library, Taft Branch and EI Modena Branch, together have approximately 37,000 square feet. The standard in assessing Library Services is about .7-.9 sq. ft. per person, and the City has .25. The need is for all of the facilities, and also a branch is needed at the East end of the City. The Council has focused on where the priorities should be to pursue the Bond Application money. At the consultants' recommendation, it was felt that the Bond Application money should go for a Main Library. This was decided because the Main Library serves the whole city and land is immediately available, which the City owns. Plans are to get an architect on board, also an environmental consultant, and then to pull together a process that would help the City to answer questions that need answered in terms of the design of a Main Library that the community will embrace. As the process progresses the City would like to keep the Committee informed of current plans. Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked if any thought had been given to terminating the street bridging the two sites? Ms. Jacob answered that this is one of the questions that needs to be addressed. What to do with the existing Main Library? What to do with Center Street, since it's between the existing library and the site being discussed? What to do about parking, in an area that's generally under parked? And what to do about the Edwards House, which is the historic building that the City owns immediately adjacent to the Main Library on the East. Committee Member Alice Angus asked that Ms. Jacob talk a bit regarding time frame and how quickly everything will be moving. Ms. Jacob said that one of the reason's the consultant recommended the Main Library site and the Main Library, as the City's project is that the Bond Act happens very quickly. The first round of applications is due June 14, 2002; second round will be March 2003 with the final round would be in 2004. The state is holding a series of workshops around the state just to go through the applications line by line, to let it be known what expectations are. The City is heading for round 1, because there will be fewer applications and the money is larger. Its $150,000,000 to be allocated in round 1, verses $110,000,000 in round 2. Average project costs are $9,000,000, which means approximately 11 - 13 projects, will be awarded in the first round. Ms. Jacob said she would make sure that the committee would be made aware of any public forum, and anything that belongs in the purview of the committee. DRC 01-23-02 Minutes