01-22-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
Wednesday, January 22, 2003
Committee Members Present
Staff in Attendance:
Committee Member Absent
Jon Califf
Leonard Filner (Vice Chair)
Mark Paone
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Jeffry Rice, Planning Manager
Khanh Le, Recording Secretary
None
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 8:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the December 18, 2002
minutes subject to the following changes:
DRC #3734 -Sycamore Plaza Medical Office pale 2 paragraph 2, sentence 1 amended as
follows:
Committee Member Filner concurred that the new landscape plan provides enough trees and the
correct species of trees, but he wanted to note two things, that the number of trees in the parking
lot maybe spaced too close and there is an error in one of the names of the trees.
Sentence 2, amended as follows:
He would also like a condition that if the existing large specimen trees are damaged, that they be
replaced with the a 60-inch box size trees of the same species.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Mark Paone
MOTION CARRIED
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A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to approve the January 8, 2003
minutes subject to the following changes:
DRC #3695 -Chapman University Parking Structure page 2 paragraph 5 sentence 3 amended
as follows:
In that case, he would like to set a condition that in the case of thirty (30) inch box trees cannot
be lec-ated, obtained the applicant will need to use the thirty-six (36) inch box size.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: Mark Paone
MOTION CARRIED
Review and approval of the October 2, 2002, November 20, 2002, and the December 4, 2002 and
the minutes were deferred to the February 5, 2003 meeting.
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1. DRC No. 3794 -BARYON CRANDELL
New 324 sq. ft. addition at the rear of an existing 1910 hip-roof "cottage" residence.
286 N. Orange Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Barton Crandall presented the project looking for approval for addition and restoration of an
existing house.
Chair Woollett asked where the turn in area for the parking space is located. Mr. Crandall
pointed it out on the drawing, stating that it would be a straight drive in on the entry, but to exit,
it has to be a two-point turn.
Chair Woollett invited comments from the public.
Public comments included:
Mr. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange St.) commended the applicant for working around the garage
and retaining home. He feels the applicant has done a good job.
Ms. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer) had a question on the completed home area. Mr. Crandall
replied using the drawings to illustrate, stating that the addition is 324 sq. ft.
Chair Woollett expressed that he is happy with the intention to restore home. He questioned
whether the corbel on the elevation would go around the whole house-the drawing only
depicted it on one side of the house. Mr. Crandall confirmed that the corbel would be around the
whole perimeter, it was left out of the drawing accidentally.
Chair Woollett asked Mr. Crandall if there are any changes to the front steps and if there are any
pictures. Mr. Crandall replied that there will be some changes and he's trying to obtain old
pictures from a neighbor who was a photographer.
Mr. Frankel suggested the applicant search the inventory pictures in the library.
Committee Member Paone asked of staff if it is possible to approve this project tonight with a
condition that requires an alternate material for the front porch that could be submitted at a later
point in time. Mr. Rice and Lau confirmed yes.
Chair Woollett suggested stating the condition to say "siding that is consistent with the rest of the
building". The committee members agreed.
There was a little discussion concerning the material of the porch and how to apply it.
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A motion was made by Committee Member Paone to approve the project subject to the
following conditions:
1. The corbel is installed entirely around the building.
2. Alternate material shall be provided on the front porch pillars and is to be submitted to
DRC for review and approval. Siding consistent with the rest of the house is
recommended.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3796 -JOEL & CECILIA SELZNICK
New 494 sq. ft. addition at the rear of an existing 1,017 sq. ft. pre-war stucco residence.
368 S. Pixley Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
D.A. Vera for Design Drafting Sucs.was present on behalf of the applicant. The applicant was
not able to attend at the last minute and had asked him to attend instead. Mr. Vera stated the
applicant is prepared to comply with all conditions set forth by the committee.
Committee Member Paone asked how the roof's design evolved into what it currently is depicted
on the drawing. Mr. Vera said he is not certain other than knowing that it was designed to
comply with the spacing for the garage.
Since Mr. Vera was not really prepared to answer the committee's questions, the committee
pointed out issues the design had to bring back to the applicant. The committee suggested the
applicant consider the committee's suggestions and bring it back to the committee at a later point
in time.
Suggestions from the committee included:
Decide whether or not this is going to be a contributing structure and design according to that
standard.
The roof structure is awkward in design, it would be difficult to build, and it maybe prone to
leaks. Alternative design suggestions were given on the prints.
The backup space on the garage needs to be reconsidered.
A motion was made by Committee Member Paone to continue the project.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3804-03 - CENTEX HOMES, CASISTAS AT SERRANO
121 dwelling unit residential development.
Serrano Heights Residential Development, located north of Serrano Avenue
approximately 400 feet west of Nohl Ranch Road
Staff Contact: Chris Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
Mr. Troy Hendrickson presented project, as outlined in the staff report.
Committee Member Paone asked if the applicant could walk the committee through the design
approach and explain how the various schemes are applied to the site plans. Mr. Karami, the
architect explained the scheme and his intent for the design. Committee Member Paone and Mr.
Karami went on to discuss the intention of colors and intent of the brick and tiles.
Committee Member Wheeler asked Mr. Karami if he is concerned that there is only one design
plan along the whole street in the project. Mr. Karami explained that he felt there was enough
variation because the plan had different elevations and there will be different brick colors and
tiles. Committee Member Wheeler expressed that he believes the aesthetics would be more
enjoyable if there were more variations. Committee Member Paone stated that painting the brick
could also be a condition that could help with Committee Member Wheeler's concerns.
Committee Member Paone stated that there is a rhythm to the elevation and plan, but inquired if
there is a rhythm to the colors also. Mr. Karami replied that there could be.
A Committee Member asked about the window treatments and the rafters on the homes on
Serrano Ave. He's concerned for the view from the street. There was a discussion about fencing
as a possible resolution. Mr. Rice suggested that there is enough flexibility in the floor plan to
offset the windows. Mr. Rice added that the concern is primarily the second floor and it is the
intention of the staff to put it as a condition of the tract map and require the design to come back
to the committee for final approval.
Committee Member Filner asked what the applicant would be providing for the homeowners as
far as landscaping. Mr. Hendricks replied that everything that is not yellow is provided. The
yellow depicts people's yards.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if the courtyards would be paved. Mr. Hendricks replied that
they would either be color concrete or pavement. Committee Member Paone suggested that the
courtyard could be a unifying element for the whole community. There was some discussion on
it be colored with the same color or with different colors.
Committee Paone asked how the trash receptacles would be handled at the entrances. Mr.
Hendricks described the concrete pad and explained their locations beyond the driveway in given
driveways. The committee and the applicants discussed in details the reasoning for the design,
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the practicality of the design, and the aesthetics impacts of the trash receptacles. The conclusion
of the discussion vvas that it might be worth a little inconvenience for the traffic that one day a
week on trash day in exchange for the aesthetics of the neighborhood.
Chair Woollett addressed the landscaping areas that are a little secluded and outside the fencing
areas, worrying that "no man's land" will be ignored. Ms. Stephanie Carter commented that
there would be both a homeowner's association and a sub association who will divide
responsibilities in taking care of certain areas. She also added that the homeowners would he
required to landscape their property within six (6) months. Ms. Stephanie also explained the
different responsibilities between the Master and the Sub Home Owner's Association, at the
request of Committee Member Filner.
Committee Member Paone asked if it is the applicant's intent to use all of the shrubs on the shrub
pallet or is it the intent for the homeowner's to pick between them. Mr. Hendricks replied,
Common areas would be planted to the pallet, but homeowners were on their own to landscape
private yards". Committee Member Filner suggested the applicant to even look at more varieties
than that. At the same time, to look at the street's landscaping also. He added that the
landscaping in the streets should be consistent, but in the driveways, the trees' varieties should
match with the architecture.
Committee Member Paone echoed Committee Filner's idea of a theme tree in each courtyard.
He added that this is an intriguing project that could be fun and rich, architecturally, but could be
an economical vice.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project subject to the
following conditions:
1. The brick on the street elevations be painted and colors returned to the DRC for approval.
2. Final drawings and details of the fencing be submitted.
3. Materials and palettes for the driveways be defined and submitted.
4. Details on how the trash will be handled be submitted.
5. A study showing the placement of windows on lots with less than five (5) feet setbacks
be submitted.
6. Additional elevation concepts for plan number three (3) be submitted.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3805-03 - THOMPSON ENTERPRISES
Remodel of an existing industrial building.
1716 N. Case Street
Staff Contact: Chris Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Action
Mr. Bob Sandstrom, manager of the showroom presented the project.
Chair Woollett asked if this is a regional showroom or just for this facility. Mr. Sandstrom
replied that it is just for this facility.
Committee Member Filner asked the applicant to explain the color scheme. Mr. Sandstrom
complied.
Chair Woollett asked what was on the other side of the windows. Mr. Sandstrom replied that the
interior of the showroom is on the other side of the windows.
Committee Member Califf asked if these were operable windows. Mr. Sandstrom replied that
they are not because of possible vandalism. He added that the intent is to give it a fifties look,
with polished aluminum on the entry, a lot of glass, and a Ruby's Diner look in the reception and
conference room area.
Chair Woollett and Committee Member Paone stated that the committee guessed at what the
applicant's intention was, which was to make the building more visible. A suggestion to help
with that is to possibly put awnings on the elevations over the windows providing some rhythm.
Committee Member Paone commented that the windows seem out of proportion with the panels.
The committee is looking to deal with the scale issues while unifying the building.
Mr. Sandstrom suggested that the applicant may not want the windows because of vandalism and
because they interfere with the interior showroom displays.
The committee and applicant discussed whether or not the windows should be a part of the
design.
Committee Member Paone suggested a color palette that is more consistent with the adjacent
neighbor building, but Mr. Sandstrom replied that the color palette they have chosen are the
company's theme colors that are present everywhere, from their vehicles to their showroom.
There were some discussions of having a base to give the building relief and texture, but it was
decided that the base would be hard to work with because the landscaping will cover it and it can
get wet.
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Committee Member Filner suggested that the lighting fixture is too contemporary and does not
match the building. Mr. Sandstrom replied that since the intent was for them to match with the
windows, they might be changed if the decision is not to have the windows. Committee Member
Paone suggested lighting the building from the ground up instead.
The committee then went on to discuss the landscaping particularly working with Public Works
on street trees. If street trees are not required or appropriate, then canopy trees are to be added on
site.
The committee then discussed the skylights. The applicant affirmed that lighting is important for
their displays and there are currently six (6) skylights, with plans to install more.
Committee Member Paone suggested addressed the applicant's contemplation of removing the
vertical elements on the west side because of aesthetics. Mr. Sandstrom explained that because
of the height of the trucks moving in and out of the area, the vertical elements may not be
practical and may not last very long. The committee discussed it and suggested maybe keeping
the vertical elements but starting it at a height that is high enough to avoid the trucks.
The committee suggested the applicant to discuss and consider the suggestions given by the
committee and to come back with a modified design change. Those suggestions included:
1) Removal of the windows.
2) Consider lighting the building from the ground up.
3) Modify the landscaping. design.
4) Addressing the vertical elements on the west side of the building.
5) Installing enough skylights.
A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone continue the project.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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