01-17-2007 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES -FINAL 17 January 2007
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Donnie DeWees
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett
Committee Members Absent: Bill Cathcart
Staff in Attendance: Leslie Aranda-Roseberry, Planning Manager
Anne Fox, Contract Staff Planner
Sonal Thakur, Assistant Planner
Howard Morris, Senior Landscape Coordinator
Mari Burke, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M.
The Committee met for an administrative session beginning at 5:00 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 P.M.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:08 p.m. to the next regular meeting on Wednesday,
February 7,
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PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on
matters not listed on the Agenda.
No public attendees addressed the Design Review Committee on matters not listed on the
Agenda.
CONSENT ITEMS
All matters that are announced as Consent Items are considered to be routine by the
Design Review Committee and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate
discussion of said items unless members of the Design Review Committee, staff or the
public request specific items to be removed from the Consent Items for separate action.
7. DRC No. 4123-06 - T-MOBILE AT ANILLO INDUSTRIES
A proposal to construct aground-mounted, stealth wireless communication facility.
2090 North Glassell Street
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, (714) 744-7229, afox cr,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
A motion to approve DRC No. 4123-06 by consent subject to the recommendations in the Staff
Report was made by Joe Woollett.
No public comment was provided on this item.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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DRC No. 4040-OS -BROWN RESIDENCE
A proposal to approve the construction of a new single-family residence "as-built." The
DRC had approved the applicant's proposal with conditions; however, the applicant has
constructed a residence that does not adhere to the approved plans. Plans will be
provided at the meeting.
6915 East Hidden Oaks Lane
Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, 714-744-7239, sthakur(a),cit o~ge.or~
DRC Action: Final Determination
Assistant Planner Sonal Thakur provided a project overview.
The applicant, Mr. Brown elaborated on the Staff Report stating the architect changed the
windows by recessing them to a point that shutters cannot be installed and they didn't know why
he made that change. Regarding the stacked stone, they didn't like the look in the front so they
didn't use it and they consequently believe they made a more attractive home. It was noted they
did put a lot of stacked stone in the rear of the home. (Photographs were proved for the
Committee review).
Other things changed were the front gate configuration.
Mr. Brown stated:
They made a mistake and should have submitted another plan to the City itemizing the changes
they made.
The basic structure is the same.
Their neighbors seem to like the changes.
This is a small gated community; the plans had been submitted to their Design Committee and
were approved (supporting documentation was provided to the Design Review Committee).
Committee Member Woollett stated the changes meet the City's Infill Guidelines and although it
may set a bad precedent for the City to have approved one set of plans that weren't adhered to, if
it was approved by the homeowners community, he was willing to look at it in a larger scope and
since the changes fit within the community he will go along with it.
No public comment was provided on this item.
Committee Member Wheeler stated his biggest problem with it is it is the least animated, custom
home on the street. It has dropped to the level of a typical tract home as far as finish materials
and some of the changes that have been made. The shutters don't match the curvature and the
widths of the windows and he missed the stone. He noted there were only two other homes on
the street that didn't have some sort of brick or stone and one of the two had taken other
measures to create an adobe or hacienda look.
Committee Member DeWees indicated he had the same comments as Committee Member
Wheeler and he wasn't necessarily convinced that suddenly two weeks before completion of the
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project the changes came about. In terms of consistency with the neighborhood, he didn't think
the changes were appropriate and he was disappointed that they didn't adhere to the specific
suggestions made by the Committee at the previous meeting. In terms of a solution he stated the
stone could go in and the shutters were an easy fix as he didn't believe the windows would need
to be re-done to put trim around them. His opinion was that every easy fix that could be made
which would include the inclusion of stone, changing the shutters and potentially putting the gate
as was discussed before. The surrounds around the window may not be appropriate, as they
would have to redo the entire stucco. In conclusion he stated he would like to see as many of
these things put back in.
Mr. Brown responded stating:
He disagreed.
The Committee made it sound as though they did it on the cheap and a few of his neighbors
may have felt the same way until they saw the completed project. That is what he asked the
Committee to consider.
Although the Committee may not like his taste, he and his wife find them very attractive.
They felt there was too much stacked stone and that they had created a great look from the
street with the lighting and other changes.
Mr. Brown concluded stating that the comments made by the Committee were hurtful and
bothered him a lot; they did their best to build a great home.
Chair Califf stated he basically felt the same way Committee Member Woollett did in that the
things that were changed he personally felt were to the detriment of the house but he didn't think
it rose to the level of being out of character with the neighborhood or the applicants street in
particular. He added that the items mentioned are based on good sound design principles and
reiterated that the Committee felt it was unfortunate they weren't carried through. He
summarized by stating since they still meet the Infill Guidelines he was not inclined to ask them
to change design items and as this was somewhat of a unique situation he would go ahead with a
motion to approve the alterations as presented.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
Committee Member Wheeler stated that since there was a letter from the local association that
seemed to be in favor of what the homeowner had done, he would not block the approval.
AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: Donnie DeWees
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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2. DRC No. 4170-06 -WATER PLANT PUBLIC COUNTER SECURITY
IMPROVEMENTS, CIP NO. 8212
A proposal to construct Water Plant Counter Security Improvements including a 842 sq.
ft. addition to an existing 9,154 sq. ft. building (Capital Improvement Project #8212).
187 South Water Street
Staff Contact: Sharon Baik-Song, (714) 744-7243, sbaik(r.~,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Recommendation to City Council
NOTE: This item was heard after Item #3.
Staff Contact Sharon Baik-Song provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant added that as it relates to the exterior appearance, the historic fabric of the original
building is one style; the addition that came afterwards is a neutral, somewhat box-like style so
rather than introducing a third style or replicating the original, they decided to try to match the
neutral, box-like style.
No public comment was provided on this item.
None of the Committee members had any issues with the project as presented.
Committee Member Woollett made a motion to approve DRC No. 4170-06 subject to the
conditions stated in the Staff Report.
SECOND: Donnie DeWees
AYES:Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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3. DRC No. 4178-06 -TOWN & COUNTRY MEDICAL OFFICE/PARKING STRUCTURE
A request by staff and the applicant seeking direction on proposed architecture and finish
materials for the construction of a new medical office building and parking structure at a
site with an existing professional office. Plans will be provided at the meeting.
999 Town & Country Road
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, (714) 744-7229, afox(a,cit o~orange.org
DRC Action: Preliminary Review
A project overview was provided by Staff Contact Anne Fox during which she advised they were
not looking at site design issues at this point and the applicant intended to make two separate lots
but they may share reciprocal access for parking. She added that the site plans related to parking
counts are still being worked out.
Ms. Fox asked the Committee if in light of the fact that there may be some shared site access
points whether they would be interested in seeing the buildings architecturally speak to each
other or if that would not be a concern since there are so many different building types in the
area.
Committee Member Wheeler responded that since they are separated by such a distance from the
other buildings referenced that for him it wasn't an issue.
Ms. Fox stated the main entrance to the building is actually facing the other building, not towards
Town and Country. The applicant added there is a secondary entry potentially for an imaging
center that would have another identity.
Committee Member Wheeler indicated he liked the fact that both buildings had a lot of
horizontal forms. The applicant responded they picked up on that in the elevations and they did
have some banding but they also changed the articulation to get some punched openings and then
created a nice entry element that faced the other building.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if it was a tilt up building and the applicant responded it
would be a steel framed building.
The parking configuration was discussed and the structure elevations were reviewed as it related
to the height of the building. Committee Member Wheeler suggested using materials and forms
on the new building to compliment the existing building since they are situated so close in
proximity. He also suggested using light colors on the exterior, which would bounce more light
back into the alleyway.
Committee Member Wheeler expressed concern about the use of round columns in just one area
of the structure, as it appears to make the area seem special. The applicant responded that they
were trying to come up with amulti-level entry piece and carry it down so it would give
definition to the area.
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Committee Members Wheeler and DeWees inquired about the materials and colors of the
canopies. The applicant responded they would be metal-clad, metal panels.
Committee Member DeWees asked if there had been any thought given to shading devices on
the western side. The applicant showed how they planned to achieve shading. Chair Califf
indicated that it would be prudent to take another look at that since there would be a greater
energy demand on that side of the building.
The applicant questioned a reference made to "eclectic" and asked if it was a compliment or
criticism. Committee Member Woollett responded stating "neither one" and added that in this
situation what he saw is they wanted to have a building that looked contemporary but would still
relate to some of the same forms that are on the site now; that is what makes it eclectic
architecture. The applicant responded stating they tried to do that (to a certain degree) with some
of the banding.
Committee Member Woollett stated he wondered if it would come together a little better if when
they went to the areas where there is more glass they picked up some of the colors they are using
in the more contemporary portion, or go the other way and have the contemporary portion pick
up the other colors. The applicant interjected it is pretty much a sand blasted concrete.
Committee Member Woollett added that they seem so different and he wasn't sure they should
be.
Committee Member DeWees stated he liked the blend of glass and solid. The applicant stated
the existing building had the banding of glass a little different so they picked it up slightly and
extended it to the two-story element.
Committee Member Wheeler asked them to take a look at the arrangement of the windows so
they would go from large to a smaller opening like a renaissance structure would have.
Committee Member Woollett stated he didn't see anything that would cause him to reject the
building; however, he thought there was substantial difference between the pewter color and the
darker, warmer colors and he wondered if that was really helping. In his opinion it was dividing
the building and gave the appearance it was two buildings. The applicant responded that the use
of different materials (the coolness being the metal and the warmness being the panels
themselves) was intentional to get them to play off of each other.
The applicants thanked the Committee for their input.
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4. DRC No. 4008-OS - TUSKATELLA CENTER (continued from October 18, 200
A proposal to remodel an existing 153,763 sq. ft. neighborhood commercial shopping
center.
1303 -1549 E. Tustin Avenue
Staff Contact: de Koven James, (714) 744-7219, jdekoven(u~~cit of~ge.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Planning Manager Leslie Aranda-Roseberry provided a project overview consistent with the
Staff Report prepared by Planning Consultant deKoven James.
The applicant stated they understood they were to address how the proposed elevation relates to
the existing. Both of them were set up on the same sheet to illustrate what the applicant would
be doing with the existing and they stated they will have 6' returns to all of the higher elements,
stack the planes and now have some mass to what they are adding to the existing center.
Committee Member Wheeler stated they had also asked for a roof plan. The applicant provided
plans and pictures of the existing roof for comparison.
No public comment was provided on this item.
Chair Califf asked the applicant to comment on the landscaping. The applicant responded:
They are not planning on changing any of the existing landscaping.
They will just be doing clean up.
It was last replaced approximately 15 years ago.
There are 26 Mexican Palms along the frontage, 40 Queen Palms in the entrance, 30 pear trees
and several ficus trees throughout, in the individual planter areas.
They had discussed bringing some palm trees up closer to the facade changes; however, they
are not sure they can even do that.
In so far as the walkway is limited they may use potted plants in strategic locations.
Howard Morris stated he had previously asked that they submit a landscape plan. The applicant
asked if what they provided would constitute a landscape plan. Chair Califf stated if they were
really not changing anything then it wouldn't be required; however, if there were new planters
then they would need to have the material detail. The applicant responded stating there is not
much they can do with landscaping, as it would cut into parking, which is already at maximum.
It will all be maintenance work that is done.
Chair Califf asked if they would be doing new signage. The applicant responded they would be
putting together a new sign program. They want to upgrade their monument signs. Chair Califf
stated that would need to come back separately and the applicant acknowledged that was their
plan.
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Committee Member Wheeler expressed concern with the forms causing the tower to appear like
something other than a tower from the back. The applicant responded that they could make it a
four-sided tower if the Committee preferred. The discussion ensued of colors and how the
design evolved. Committee Member DeWees stated that he wasn't present for the first meeting;
however, he didn't like to see the tower elements loaded up with cornices. The applicant
responded that they love cornices and the proposed plan is much better than the existing.
Committee Member DeWees suggested the base be proportionate to the tower instead of just
using a little wainscoat. (Committee Member DeWees sketched an example). The applicant
stated they could make a change suggested, similar to what they had done on the clock tower.
The owner/applicant stated they didn't want to use any more stone as it gets dated; they prefer to
use paint.
Committee Member Woollett stated in the case of the tower there might be other options they
could use rather than the use of stone to achieve what Committee Member DeWees suggested.
Committee Member Wheeler stated they might want to leave the existing stone to make to a
different element rather than turning it into a whole stucco form.
Committee Member DeWees also suggested not using light, pastel colors facing south as they
will fade fast from the sun. The applicant stated the green was a questionable color for them
anyway. Chair Califf stated that as long as they don't use outrageous colors, the comments
provided about colors are basically just advisory. The applicant stated some new tenants may
want their particular store a different color to coordinate with a corporate logo and he asked how
the process would work to obtain that approval. Chair Califf responded that his opinion is they
probably wouldn't need to worry about that.
Committee Member DeWees stated that although they eliminated the square shutters on round
windows he asked them to adjust the size of the shutters so they appear they will fit the windows.
One of the applicants stated that shutters aren't an issue with them so they could adjust the
design; another of the applicants stated he really liked that look but perhaps they could replace
the shutters with some sort of molding. The applicant asked if they could proceed with cornice
molding. Chair Califf responded they would prefer not. Committee Member DeWees stated he
would just like to see the next level of retail design i.e. using real solar shading on southern
exposures. Chair Califf interjected they were really not requiring them to change it, they were
simply complaining about it. Committee Member Woollett added they would urge them to be
more forward looking.
Committee Member Woollett made a motion to approve DRC No. 4008-OS with the
recommendations contained in the Staff Report.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES:Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:Donnie DeWees
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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5. DRC No. 4112-06 - HOLLINS RESIDENCE (continued from October 4, 2006)
A proposal to construct a new single-family residence with an attached garage on a
recently subdivided and vacant parcel.
1834 North Fern Street
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, (714) 744-7229, afox(u,cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Staff Contact Anne Fox provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report. The
applicant stated she thought the architect had done a remarkable job of following the guidelines
and going several times into the neighborhood to take notes.
Committee Member Woollett asked the applicant why they were proposing barrel the instead of
shingle tile. The applicant's architect responded that they could change to the heavy (concrete)
shake style that is fairly predominant in the community. The owner agreed to the change and
indicated at this point she wants to be in compliance.
Committee Member Wheeler asked that anyplace they use stone, they wrap it around the corners.
Public input was provided as follows:
Michael Mathes, address on file stated:
He is neither opposed nor supportive of the project, he was just curious as to what the home
would look like.
His opinion was this was obviously an improvement over the last proposal.
Having lived in the neighborhood for 20 years, there is no other house that looks like this one.
It is the same basic shape but the rooflines are different and the overhang is different so it looks
like a totally different architectural style versus what exists in the neighborhood.
He would like to see if they could adapt it to make it look more similar to what exists rather
than what they are proposing.
Committee Member DeWees asked Mr. Mathes to be more specific. Mr. Mathes responded:
The homes in the neighborhood now are either full two-story or they are tri-level.
The tri-level ones have different overhangs on the eaves with 12" fascia boards and the
rooflines tend to match up.
The tri-level part with the upper story meets at some point versus being two totally separate
roof structures. It is all basically part of the same roof.
It looks like some of the two-story homes are similar to the proposed project but there is a
substantial overhang by the entryway (on the tri-level ones).
He thinks it is a much better home but if it could be adapted to be more similar to existing
homes in the neighborhood, he would appreciate it.
Jeff Hewlett, address on file stated:
It is a great improvement over the last submittal.
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All he can do is reiterate that if it looks like some semblance of what exists in the neighborhood
currently, it would really help a ton.
It presently doesn't look like anything in the whole tract currently.
2x12 fascia board is a huge issue.
3' overhangs is a huge issue.
He acknowledged the shutters are there.
If there is any way to get it look like the other homes in the tract it would ease his mind.
Committee Member Wheeler asked the applicants if they would have a problem with 2x12
fascia. The architect responded, "We can do that" and added that it is not intentionally designed
like the tri-level. Ms. Fox added that there are two concepts in the neighborhood now and some
at the street that even appear to be single-story.
Committee Member DeWees stated there is a variety in the neighborhood and he pointed out a
few that didn't look like anything else in the neighborhood. Mr. Hewlett responded, "that is true
but there are a total of five (5) models and they're all similar in design".
Committee Member Woollett stated the guidelines address the size and massing of the building
and in this sense the building is consistent. He noted that he would like to see 2x12 fascia.
Chair Califf asked the Committee how they felt about the 2' overhang (versus 3'). The
Committee agreed that the range on the overhang should be 32"-36".
Committee Member Wheeler recapped the required changes as follows:
1) Use a flat tile.
2) Use a 2x12 fascia.
3) The range of the overhang should be 32"-36".
4) Wrap the stone on all corners.
5) All landscaping requires an automatic irrigation system.
Howard Morris, Senior Landscape Coordinator added the following suggestions:
When the irrigation system is designed, it should have separate zones.
Along the westerly side of the house, the planter bed should be extended.
Mr. Mathes asked what the plan was for the monument wall at the corner. The applicant
responded they didn't know at this time. Ms. Fox added the lot at the corner is not under
consideration at this time and the wall in front of the applicants home would be replaced with a
wood style fence and be reduced in height.
Committee Member DeWees asked what the height is of the wood fence. Ms. Fox responded it
is limited to 42" in the front yard but they don't have details on fence materials at this time.
Staff recommended that the fence be pulled back so it matches the house line. Committee
Member DeWees suggested it be pulled back to provide for some landscaping. The applicant
responded there is a parkway there already and they really wouldn't want to move the fence.
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Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to approve DRC No. 4112-06 with the following
conditions:
1) The conditions contained in the Staff Report.
2) The roof is changed to flat tile.
3) The stone on the corners should wrap around.
4) The fascia should be 2x12.
5) The overhangs should be increased to a range of 32"-36".
6) All landscaping will have an automatic irrigation system.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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6. DRC No. 4120-06 - ROSEWALK
A proposal to construct 47 detached townhome units with a Craftsman Bungalow
inspired style.
715-793 North Lemon Street
Staff Contact: Sonal Thakur, (714) 744-7239, sthakur cr,cityoforan~rg
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
NOTE: This item was heard after Item #8.
Staff Contact Sonal Thakur provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant, Mr. Walker added that they took all the comments of the Committee and went
back together with Staff and attempted to address all of the issues.
No public comment was provided on this item.
Committee Member Woollett stated he reviewed the minutes from the previous meeting and
none of the concerns he had expressed were addressed. He added the style was fine but the
problems as he had pointed out earlier were:
The buildings being 6' apart doesn't work as it will beano man's land between the units.
He thought the rigidity of the layout is inhuman.
Committee Member Woollett concluded stating he wished this project was not going in Orange;
he likes what is there now and wishes it would remain as is.
Committee Member Wheeler stated he wasn't so concerned about the separation between the
buildings and he liked very much what they were doing as far as dividing the space amongst the
units.
Committee Member Wheeler noted that although he did not see it reflected in the previous
minutes, he would like to see some landscaping at the very end of the driveway where there is
now a parking space. He asked if anything could be done to move the parking spaces to
accommodate this request, which would terminate the approach.
Committee Member Wheeler indicated that for the most part the privacy issues seem to work
quite well except on Plan 4 where the living room windows on the second floor are across from
the windows on the unit next to it. Also, on the third floor, the master bedroom office has tall
windows, which he thought should be raised. The applicant responded stating they had egress
issues that had to be maintained but they would definitely take another look at it. Committee
Member Wheeler stated he didn't egress would be a problem.
Committee Member Wheeler stated he really enjoyed the variation in the elevations; however, he
wished he could have seen where each elevation was going on the site plan. He asked if they
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would be mixed up very well. The applicant responded affirmatively.
Committee Member DeWees asked if the siding material was going to remain on all four (4)
sides of every unit as depicted. The applicant responded affirmatively.
Chair Califf asked what material would be used. The applicant responded, "It will be Hardie
siding".
Committee Member DeWees stated some of the entry pieces on the front porches seem to be out
of proportion and he asked if they would take another look at those.
Committee Member DeWees stated he had a tendency to agree with Committee Member
Woollett regarding the disappearance of little bungalows but there is no means of getting them
on the historic registry.
Chair Califf commended the applicant for the architecture portion of the project stating the
design has plenty of interest and is not an abrasive version of Craftsman.
Chair Califf stated he was hoping the variety of elevations and architecture would mitigate the
straight shot from all the inner drive aisles. Chair Califf suggested they use additional landscape
to achieve even more variety. The applicant responded that they shared the concern, as the
worse thing that could happen from a marketing perspective is a prospective buyer thinking it
was the most sterile development they had ever seen. He added they tried to create their product
in such a way that it is distinctive and would stand on its own.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if they would be seeing a landscape plan. The applicant
responded that they are aware of what the committee is looking for as the landscape architect has
done several plans in the City of Orange. Chair Califf stated that normally they would be asking
for landscape and irrigation plans. Senior Landscape Coordinator Howard Morris reminded the
applicant to not plant large trees or shrubs in front of the address signs. Planning Manager Leslie
Aranda-Roseberry interjected if the desire of the committee was to move this item forward, they
could make a condition that prior to issuance of the first building permit that the landscape and
irrigation plans would be brought to the DRC for review. Committee Member Wheeler stated
that one of the things that caused him to raise this issue was he wondered if they had considered
using variations of plant materials down the central aisle and not use the same species all the way
down the road.
Committee Member DeWees stated the two (2) Giant Bird of Paradise plants seem to be out
place with the other plant materials. The applicant responded it was one of his favorite plants
and they were aware of the requirement to keep them trimmed.
Chair Califf asked Staff to comment on the increase in the numbers of trips and how they
anticipate the traffic coming in and out of the site. Ms. Roseberry responded that each unit
would generate approximately ten (10) trips and at the peak times it would represent 48 trips
approximately 10% of the average daily trips). She added that although it represented an
increase it was not significant for the capabilities of the street.
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Chair Califf asked for commentary on the parking count noting there is no extra parking in the
neighborhood. Ms. Thakur stated they are right on and that Waste Management noted guest
parking might be an issue on pick up days. This will be addressed in the CC&R's.
Chair Califf stated he thought the trash bins would be kept in the garage and he asked where they
would be rolled out. Ms. Thakur responded "along the recreational area".
Chair Califf made a motion to recommend DRC No. 4120-06 to the Planning Commission,
which would include the measures in the Mitigated Negative Declaration and the following
conditions:
1) Prior to issuance of building permits, a detailed landscape and irrigation plan will be
submitted to the DRC.
2) The applicant should explore whether it is possible to still meet the parking requirement and
create a landscape area at the east end of the entry drive.
3) The applicant should study the privacy issues on Plan #4.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES:Joe Woollett
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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7. DRC No. 4123-06 - T-MOBILE AT ANILLO INDUSTRIES
A proposal to construct aground-mounted, stealth wireless communication facility.
2090 North Glassell Street
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, (714) 744-7229, afox(c~cityoforange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
NOTE: This item was approved by consent subject to the recommendations in the Staff Report.
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8. DISC No. 4147-06 -SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, ROSSITER RANCH LOT 1
A proposal to construct a new single-family residence with an attached garage on a
recently subdivided and vacant parcel.
6053 East Jack Pine Lane
Staff Contact: Anne Fox, (714) 744-7229, afox(a,cit ofy orange.org
DRC Action: Final Determination
Committee Member Wheeler recused himself.
Staff (:ontact Anne Fox provided a project overview consistent with the Staff Report and called
the Committee's attention to the fact there are some code compliance issues that could be dealt
with apt a later time, specifically:
1). Reduce or combine the appearance of the kitchen, particularly on the ground floor. The
applicant interjected they have side-by-side kitchens; one is the formal one and the other
is the dirty one so basically they took out the dirty kitchen.
2) The second floor configuration lends itself to trying to be an accessory second dwelling
unit. This would need to be evaluated because it would offer a third kitchen opportunity.
The applicant interjected it would be a second kitchen and actually it is a bar, not a
kitchen. Furthermore, it is spelled out very clearly in the HOA CC&R's that this is a
single-family residence.
Committee Member Woollett stated he is concerned about the scale of the project in the area in
which it is placed and asked Ms. Fox if she could comment on this. Ms. Fox responded that
what has been determined from the context of the area is there is a multitude of things going on
i.e. the property abuts some smaller homes, it will be its own anomaly in a portion of Orange
Park Acres that was not easy to find and it is very difficult to see some of the other structures in
the immediate surround. The applicant elaborated on the homes in the surrounding area and
which ones they intend to separate from with a multiple tree line.
Committee Member Woollett asked if any work had been done in the development of the other
six parcels. The applicant responded that the dry utilities were in, the wet utilities are due to be
totally done within a week, all the site work is done and the road extensions are to be completed
in the next week or so. Committee Member Woollett indicated the Committee hadn't seen any
of it. Ms. Fox stated the tract itself went through the City's process almost three (3) years ago
and ultimately it was conditioned that when the architecture was finalized, as each unit came in it
would. come before the DRC. It is not being developed as a tract; each will be a custom home.
Committee Member Woollett stated he wished he had an idea how this home would look on the
lot. lV1s. Fox provided a review of the site plan.
A discussion evolved around the architectural style with the applicant stating it was a variation
on a ranch style and Ms. Fox stating she described it as a contemporary variation of a traditional
style.
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Chair Califf asked if there was a materials board. Ms. Fox responded the applicant hadn't
prepared one. The applicant interjected that what they would do is give the buyer some
parameters, using neutral colors, brick or stone that would blend, nothing would be outlandish or
outrageous.
Committee Member DeWees stated he thought there seemed to be an awful lot of elements
representing a number of different styles. He commented on the use of flat, shallow arches,
which in his opinion looked like mistakes. The applicant responded that when drawn out it did
give a depth of ranch and it was very typical of ranch, adding that this was equestrian related
property so they were intentionally combining a number of different elements. Committee
Member DeWees commented on the formal gable with a return that had nothing to do with
equestrian or ranch and stated he would like to see some of that cleaned up. The applicant
responded that he personally found the break up of the gable rather attractive and he wouldn't
put in anything offensive. Committee Member DeWees concluded by stating he didn't think any
of it was offensive; he just thought it could tie in better.
Committee Member Woollett asked if it was possible that they would want to make some
changes once they had a buyer. The applicant responded that if there was anything radical or
anything that would raise an eyebrow, he would come back to the Committee. Chair Califf
stated that Ms. Fox would walk through when they were ready for final inspection and it would
be her definition of radical, not necessarily the applicant's. Ms. Fox added that at the
construction drawing phase if she felt there were significant modifications she would bring it
back to the Committee.
Committee Member Woollett made a motion to approve DRC No. 4147-06 with Conditions 1, 4,
and 5 in the Staff Report dated 17 January 2007 and the inclusion of an automatic irrigation
system for all landscaping.
SECOND:Jon Califf
AYES:Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
RECUSED:Craig Wheeler
ABSENT:Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
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REVIEW OF MINUTES:
Chair Califf made a motion to approve the minutes of the (1) NOVEMBER 15, 2006 and (2)
DECEMBER 6, 2006 meetings with revisions as noted.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Joe Woollett (due to absenteeism from subject meetings)
ABSENT: Bill Cathcart
MOTION CARRIED.
ADJOURNMENT:
A motion was made by Chair Califf to adjourn until the next regular meeting on Wednesday,
February 7, 2007.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Donnie DeWees, Craig Wheeler
NOES:None
ABSTAIN:None
ABSENT:Bill Cathcart, Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED.