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12-06-2000 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, December 6, 2000 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Leonard Filner Susan Secoy (Chair) Joe Woollett (Vice-Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Committee Member Absent: Mark Paone Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:45 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the November 22, 2000 minutes with the following corrections: DRC #3555 -Pacific Bell, page 2, paragraph 3, sentence 3 amended as follows: There should be a letter from the lighting e~~e manufacturer to ~^~'~^^+„ r„~n„n~;h;~;+„ f„r demonstrate lighting levels outside of the property. Condition 1 amended as follows: 1. Provide statement from lighting ~~~e manufacturer to demonstrate lighting levels outside of the property. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 2 REVIEW OF MINUTES: (Continued) DRC #3598 -Jan West, page 4, paragraph 3, sentence 1 amended as follows: Leonard Filner asked if the corner windows at the Maple Street side entrance could be single one Views window instead of double two windows. Sentence 2 amended as follows: The single window would be more in proportion to the rest of the building, and less expensive. Condition 2 amended as follows: 2. New corner windows at the Maple Street side entrance to be si~tgle one windows window instead of ~etrble two windows. SECOND:Joe Woollett AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 3 DRC No. 3587 - VALARE TARDIF Final review for the proposed demolition of an existing residence (1906 Hip Roof Cottage) and detached garage in Old Towne, and replace with a 1% story residence 1915 Craftsman Bungalow) relocated from another site outside of Old Towne, and to construct a new 2-car detached garage. 151 S. Harwood Street (Contributing Structure) DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by the owners Valare Tardif and Andre Tardif. This is a review of the final plans prior to submittal to the Building Department for permit issuance. The submittal includes a structure evaluation report form a structural engineer, foundation detail, exterior finish material samples and color palette. Photographs of the existing house to be demolished on Harwood have already been taken, however, the shop (Orange Camera) was unable to develop the requisite enlarged black and white copies on time for tonight's meeting. They are also willing to accept nomination of the relocated 1915 Craftsman Bungalow as a contributing structure into the National Register District. Susan Secoy opened the meeting for public comments: Robert Imboden stated that the Old Towne Preservation Association (OTPA) has been very concerned with the recording process. It appears that the photographs are in 35mm format? - Yes). The Secretary of the Interior's Standards has certain requirements on the format of the film, and not just on the photo developing process. As far as what he has seen, it does not appear to meet those standards. The OTPA would like to see those requirements met. From what they can determinate, this project requires "Documentation Level III". Susan Secoy asked if the applicants were given a copy of the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and guidelines for Architectural and Engineering Documentation? (Yes) Also, can we specify these requirements in terms of the photography at this time? Dan Ryan (Senior Historic Preservation Planner) stated that there are different levels of photography depending on the significance of the resource. Whether or not this project falls under certain "Level" is probably opened to discussion, based on its condition and other factors. Robert Imboden further stated that the Planning Commission have amended the conditions of approval to require photo documentation of both structures, and to require that the architectural features be retained, repaired and replaced in kind of existing architectural features and details. Also, since an assurance of completion (bond) cannot be required, he would like to see some type of proof of ownership to the structure (title)? As for the submitted plans, the west building elevation is missing, and there needs to be some clarification of the note "Existing windows destroyed by Fire Depart. -Will replace if possible." That means the existing window should be restored if possible, if not, then an exact replacement should be used. Andre Tardif replied that the left window was previously damaged and destroyed. He will install a new wood window (single sheet glass) to match the original window as shown on the City's survey photograph. As for the west building elevation, he will submit the drawing to City staff. They understand OTPA's concerns, but the level of detail they're asking for is too expensive and very time consuming. They felt that they have substantially complied with all City requirements. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 4 DRC No. 3587 - VALARE TARDIF (Continued) Susan Secoy again raised the question as to exactly how "Documentation Level III" was determined? There needs to be some consistency on the DRC's part as to the criteria used to determine how the standards are being applied. Dan Ryan referenced a paragraph on page 5 of the Standards which states: "The kind and amount of documentation should be appropriate to the nature and significance to the buildings, site, structure or object being documented. For example, Documentation Level I would be inappropriate for a building that is a minor element of a historic district, notable only for streetscape contest and scale. A full set of measured drawings for such a minor building would be expensive and would add little, if any, information to the HABS/HAER collections. Large format photography [Documentation Level III] would usually be adequate to record the significance of this type of building". Mr. Ryan further stated that we don't have the range that falls into all the different categories the Secretary of the Interior's Standards have, so we're basically looking to have two local standards; 1) Listed National Register Eligible Buildings, and 2) Listed Contributing Buildings. The HABS/HAER Standards are basically for Federal projects that are funded. Local government can follow the standards, or adopt variations of the same standards on how to record things. Joe Wollett asked if that means in effect the DRC gets to decide? (Yes) Dan Ryan stated that the City's survey does indicate resources that have been identified as being a Contributing Building to the District, or if they have individual significance that are listed as being eligible for the National Register. Robert Imboden disagreed on the bases that because we are dealing with a "District" and not the individual properties, it is an issue where the sum is sort of greater than the parts. The entire stock of Historic District should be considered as a whole, not the individual parts. Andre Tardif hopes that the strict standard for such a high level of documentation would not be required because it is much too expensive and time consuming. He understands the OTPA's concerns, but they are not the ones paying for it. They would like to complete the relocation by the end of the year, and they are running out of time to accomplish this. MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. Final plan to include the following note: "Architectural features shall be retained, repaired and replaced in kind of existing architectural features and details". 2. Final plan to include the following note for the front window: "Existing window to be replaced with a new single pane glass window in kind as the original window. 3. Final plan to include west elevation drawing. 4. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit black and white photographs of both structures to City staff for documentation. (Photographs to be of archival non-resin fiber base paper). 5. Prior to issuance of building permits, applicant must show proof of ownership of the house. Either title or legally binding document) City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 5 DRC No. 3587 - VALARE TARDIF (Continued) The approval is based on the finding that the proposed work conforms to the standards and design criteria referenced and recommended by the Design Review Committee. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. The proposed work is compatible with, and therefore will not adversely affect the use and design of existing buildings within Old Towne. SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 6 2. DRC No. 3597 -EXTENDED STAY AMERICA Signage for a new 4-story hotel at Stadium Promenade 1635 W. Katella Avenue DRC Action: Final Determination Applicant not present) MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to continue the project: SECOND:Joe Woollett AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 7 3. DRC No. 3601 - US STORAGE CENTERS Freestanding sign for a new self-storage facility 1460 N. Main Street DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 8 4. DRC No. 3602 -CHEVRON New signage for an existing automotive service station and carwash 105 E. Lincoln Avenue DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Greg Hohn with Chevron. The proposal is to install new replacement signage for an existing automotive service station and carwash facility. MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the project with the following condition: 1. signage colors shall be as follow: Blue #2114 Red #2157 White #2447 SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Mark Paone ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 6, 2000 Page 9 5. DRC No. 3603 - METRICOM Wireless communication antennas on an existing service station building 2700 Santiago Boulevard DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Norman MacLeod and Ramon Salazar for Metricom. The proposal is to install new wireless communication antennas on top of an existing carwash building. The parapet wall would be modified and raised to the maximum allowable height of 32 feet in order to screen the new antennas. MOTION was made by Joe Woollett to approve the project with the following condition: 1. Provide trim detail on top of parapet wall. Width of trim shall be proportional to the increased parapet wall height. SECOND: Leonard Filner AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Mark Paone ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED 12-06-00 DRC Minutes