12-03-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
December 3, 2003
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett (Chair)
Donnie Deweees
Staff in Attendance: Leslie Roseberry, Planning Manager
Daniel Ryan, Senior Historic Planner
Committee Member Absent: None
Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M.
The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 7:30 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 PM
REVIEW OF MINUTES:
The review and approval of the September 3, 2003, September 17, 2003, October 22, 2003, and
November 19, 2003 minutes was deferred to the December 17, 2003 meeting
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DRC No. 3859-03 NEXTEL WIRELESS CA8200-GLASS
Proposal to construct an unmanned wireless telecommunication antenna stealthed as a
monopine and construct a 252 sq. ft. equipment shelter adjacent to the antenna.
5921 East Carver Lane (SCE Easement)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Peter Yune, applicant, presented the project.
Committee Member Craig Wheeler said the drawing indicates existing gates into compound yet
he didn't see any. He said some gates would have to be added. Mr. Yune answered they would
be adding some similar to what exists.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked the applicant about adding other trees with the same species
of the simulated tree. Committee Member Wheeler added that this was a good idea to have a
cluster of pine trees rather than one pine tree surrounded by a bunch of eucalyptus trees.
A discussion followed regarding the different types of trees available and manufacturers.
A motion was made by Committee Member Jon Califf to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission subject to the following conditions:
That Example No. 1 (Monopine) be used and that the applicant will put in an additional
three, 48" box size pines of a similar species to the Monopine on the site in coordination
with staff in regards to location.
2. Include recommendations of the staff report with the exception of Item No. 3.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3860 - 03 CINGULAR WIRELESS
Proposal to attach an unmanned wireless telecommunication antenna to the existing sign
and construct a 55 sq. ft. equipment shelter underground and on an adjacent planter.
1407 West Chapman Avenue
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez
DRC Action: Final Determination
Roxanne Lucido, of The Consulting Group (representing the applicant) presented the project.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked if the existing signage was sufficient so that nothing will
have to be changed? Ms. Lucido answered that the sign faces would have to be changed out but
will "appear" the same as what is there now. They will be the same logos, same design, and
same colors.
Committee Chair Woollett also asked about the heavy cable that has to be installed and how they
would get it up there. Ms. Lucido explained how this would be done by pointing it out on the
plan (A-1).
Committee Member Craig Wheeler stated that someone standing below the sign and looking up
would be able to see the equipment and asked if they would be able to paint it to match the color
of the legs of the sign. Ms. Lucido answered that there is already some metal equipment (sign
brackets) there and if the Committee would like them to match that, they would be agreeable.
However, matching the legs may make it stand out more than the metal, which exists and is
generally not painted. But again if the Committee wants to condition it to make it match that
will be fine also.
A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the wiring rum7ing to the sign will be concealed.
2. That the signage will be replaced with the same logos, design and colors.
3. That every effort be made to paint the new antenna equipment to match the surrounding
metal sign.
4. That recommended conditions of staff (Numbers 1 through 5) be included.
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SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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3. DRC No. 3861-03 KRISPY KREME (IN-N-OUT BURGER RETAIL CENTER)
Proposal to construct a 4,000 sq. ft. Krispy Kreme Restaurant with a drive through lane
and a 600 sq. ft. (approximately) outdoor dining area within the 2.22-acre site of the In-
N-Out Burger Retail Center.
2585 North Tustin Street
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez
DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Deborah Kerr, consultant representing the applicant, presented the project.
The Committee discussed design and went over several different items (such as towers, planters
and trellis).
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission subject to the following conditions:
1. That the drive be shifted to the east sufficiently to allow for a planter pocket at the
archivolt at the south end of the east elevation.
2. That the form over the drive be moved so that it's centered over the arch.
3. That the masonry base around the building be altered at the entry columns to match the
arch to the south.
4. That the recommended conditions of staff (Items No. 1 - 5) be included.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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4. DRC No. 3868-03 -TOKYO CAFE
Proposal to construct a "pop-out" wall sign along the front elevation.
161 North Glassell Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Due to the fact that two of the Committee Members' (Committee Chair Joe Woollett and
Committee Member Craig Wheeler) offices are located within 500 feet of the applicant's
property (161 North Glassell Street), they may not participate in the decision on the property.
However, the City Attorney has informed City staff, that under what is called the Rule of
Necessity, one of the two DRC members can remain in order that a quorum can be established so
that DRC can make a decision. At random, Committee Chair Woollett was chosen to remain to
establish a quorum, but he cannot participate in the discussion nor vote to make a
recommendation. His vote cannot be used to break a tie.
Since Committee Chair Woollett cannot participate in the discussion nor vote to make a
recommendation Committee Member Jon Califf will be in charge.
Mike Willis, applicant, presented the project. Committee Member Califf had a question about
the neon but the question was answered during the applicant's presentation. Committee Member
Califf also had a concern with the mounting. This was discussed.
A motion was made by Committee Member Jon Califf to approve the project subject to the
following conditions:
1. That staff recommendations of approval be included.
2. That the attachment of the sign to the building parapet shall be done carefully tominimize
any potential damage.
SECOND:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
RECUSED:
ABSTAINED:
Donnie Dewees
Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees
None
None
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett
MOTION CARRIED
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5. DRC No. 3874-03 - CHAPMAN AVENUE RETAIL
Proposal to construct a commercial development on an approximately 5-acre site with a
large box commercial building, amulti-tenant commercial building, and a fast food
restaurant.
Northeast corner of Chapman Avenue and Manchester Place
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
The applicant presented site, building and landscaping plans for the proposed commercial center.
The DRC members discussed: the compatibility of the proposed building design and scale with
the existing office and commercial buildings located in the vicinity of the subject site; the
elements of the proposed signing program and its impact on site and area aesthetics; and the
proposed landscaping material, its appropriateness for screening the proposed parking lot from
public view, and its scale with the proposed buildings. Staff explained that the subject site is not
located in an area covered by design guidelines and that the architectural style of the buildings
surrounding the subject site is an eclectic mix. The applicant also presented a site distance
exhibit to justify the variance requests for sign area and height to exceed that allowed by the
City's Sign Ordinance.
The DRC members concluded: that the scale and design of the proposed buildings were
compatible with existing office and commercial buildings located in the vicinity of the project;
the proposed one-story buildings provided a transition from the high-rise office and hotel
buildings to south and east of the subject site and the single-story residential structures located to
the west of the subject site; and the waivers to the City's Sign Ordinance were appropriate
considering the lengthy distance the building is located from Chapman Avenue and the location
from the travel lanes on the Santa Ana Freeway. Some concern on the signing was noted in
regards to approval of Variance 2331-03, which would establish a precedent for larger signs, and
that the design of the signs was too stark.
In response to comments regarding that the initial landscaping material should be in scale with
the existing buildings and to provide greater interest by varied height of planting material, the
applicant agreed to increase tl~e size of the trees across the southerly and westerly facades of the
single-tenant building, and to varying the size of the palms planted on both sides of the entry
drive.
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission of the preliminary site, building, signing, and landscaping plans subject to the
following conditions:
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1. Prior to issuance of building permits the applicant shall submit final site, building,
and landscaping plans to the Design Review Committee.
2. The landscaping plans shall be revised to provide minimum 20' foot brown trunks
for palms along the southerly elevation and 36" inch boxed pines along the
westerly elevation of the single-tenant building.
3. Palms located at the entry drive shall have varied brown trunk heights: 12, 16, and
20 feet.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Joe Woollett
NOES: Craig Wheeler
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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6. DRC No. 3875-03 - MBK HOMES, LTD.
Proposal to construct a 97 dwelling unit development on approximately 5.25 acres
Approximately 200 feet east of Nohl Ranch Road on the south side of Serrano Avenue
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission
The applicant presented the project.
One of the Committee's concerns was the landscaping, specifically the tree wells along the
driveway. The Committee asked if there was any possibility of the trees blocking any of the
addresses, as this would be a concern of the Police Department. The applicant answered that if
not approved by Police they would move the address to another location.
A discussion followed about variety of tree, size of trees, etc.
Committee Member Craig Wheeler asked how the trash would be handled. The applicant
answered that it was individual pick-up. The local trash company had looked at the site plan and
was satisfied with back-up distances, width, etc. Committee Member Wheeler also asked the
applicant if they had thought about adding some decorative pavement and instead of trees,
planting a vine to go up the wall. The applicant thought a vine or low shrub would be good but
they do want some trees also. The Committee asked if they could alternate and the applicant
agreed.
Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked if colors, fascia's and elevations were also to be addressed.
Applicant replied that there was not going to be any color variations along the streetscape but
there will be architecture variations (arches, heights, & porches). On the garage side the
variations will be with the 3, 4 and 5-plexes and the architecture based on the mixed uses of the
building types.
The Committee next discussed t11e elevations, which included:
Shutters
Arches
Flat ceilings
Grouping of vents (plumbing, heating, etc.)
Roofing
Window Trim
Railings
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S' Tile
Attic vents
Fencing
A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to recommend approval to the Planning
Commission subject to the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, the applicant shall submit final building and
landscaping plans to the DRC for review and approval.
SECOND:Craig Wheeler
AYES:Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett
NOES:None
ABSENT:None
ABSTAINED:None
MOTION CARRIED
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