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11-19-2003 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES Wednesday, November 19, 2003 Committee Members Present: Jon Califf Craig Wheeler Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner Leslie Roseberry, Planning Manager Committee Member Absent: None Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:00 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the July 23, 2003, minutes subject to the following corrections: DRC No. 3791-02 -Pinnacle at Uptown Apartments, page 3, condition 2 amended as follows: 2. That the roof €€nEe vents be clustered as much as possible. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None MOTION CARRIED A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the August 6, 2003, minutes subject to the following corrections: DRC 3840-03 -John Wilson, pale 15, condition 1 be amended as follows: 1. That the front porch columns be as owner/applicant suggests; pair of rectangular wood post (6x6) with pedestal sit base and wood siding to match the house. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November 19, 2003 Page 2 SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None MOTION CARRIED A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the August 20, 2003, minutes subject to the following corrections: DRC 3758-03- John & Deanne Harb, page 2, paragraph 3, sentence 4 amended as follows: He brought up another issue of the railing that he thought would be a problem, visually, and he~u for the way that it turns the corner and goes back; ;~ to die into the sloping roof. He suggested the applicants stay with the original drawing of solid....... Condition 1 amended as follows: 1. That the railing to be used is of a r+~ rectangular form to match the Craftsman style and not of turned post design. DRC 3763-03- Lauro and Delores Serratos, page 3, paragraph 1, sentence 2 amended as follows: It was explained by Committee Chair Joe Woollett that the understanding is that instead of the redwood siding that was approved originally the applicant would like to use Hardie siding....... DRC 3764-03-Miguel and Laura De La Rosa pale 4, paragraph 1, sentence 2 amended as follows: It was explained by Committee Chair Joe Woollett that the understanding is that instead of the redwood siding that was approved originally the applicant would like to use Hardie siding....... SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None MOTION CARRIED The review and approval of the September 3, 2003, September 17, 2003, and October 22, 2003, minutes was deferred to the December 3, 2003 meeting City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November I9, 2003 Page 3 DRC No. 3722-02 - ARCO GAS STATION AND AM/PM MINI-MART Proposal to redevelop an existing service station from 20,715 sq. ft. site to 35,698 sq. ft. site, demolish the existing 1,769 sq. ft. AM/PM Mini-Mart and rebuild it to 2,997 sq. ft., demolish the existing 850 sq. ft. (approximately) canopy and rebuild it to 4,858 sq. ft. 1935 East Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez DRC Action: Recommendation to the Planning Commission and City Council Leslie Burnside, Tait & Associates, Inc., presented the project. She stated that the applicant agreed with the following items: Item No. 1 -Decorative paving Item No. 4 -Trash Enclosures Item No. 6 Additional Landscape Planter and Trees Item No. 7 Proposed tree removal Item No. 8 -Decorative Lights Next she wanted to discuss the remaining items, starting with: Item No. 2 -Widen the tower elements and discuss roof elements in back. Staff had recommended the side tower elements be widened to match the width of the front towers widened to 13 '/z feet). The applicant is hoping for some reconsideration. At this time the dimensions of the side elevations have been widened from 4' 9" to 6' 6". The applicant would prefer to not widen the element further. Item No. 3 -Canopy shall be redesigned. Applicant would like to retain the AM/PM Sunrise to Sunset Logo (yellow, orange, red, blue, purple sunrise to sunset graduation). They also want to retain the ARCO blue, brand color. Also commented on making the storefront pop out. Committee Chair Woollett had a concern that the canopy and building need to look more related because the forms are so different. Item No. 5 -Revise the proposed sign program. They have revised it but something else they wanted to bring up was the existing pole sign. The applicant would like to do a re-face as well as provide the price signage on Katella. What they came up with was a 15' Monolith. They would still like to recommend doing the price portion for the State's Weights and Measures, and to be able to have the prices posted for both locations (2 signs). Committee Chair Woollett mentioned the canopy first and that perhaps the canopy is all right if some adjustment can be made on the building. In lieu of the molding around the building it could be replaced with something that is more of a crisp, rounded, colorful form like the canopy, and that the towers also have a miniature version of the canopy. It was suggested that as much of a repetition of color and form that can be done the better. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November 19, 2003 Page 4 Committee Member Wheeler also wanted clarification of the species of vine that will be planted on the trellises. The applicant was open to suggestions or preferences of species. Committee Member Califf added that their only suggestion was that it needed to be appropriate for a trellis of that dimension and something that will attach itself to the trellis. Committee Member Califf mentioned the roof equipment and wanted to make sure that the equipment is no taller than the parapet. The applicant answered that there is a parapet and the roof equipment does not extend beyond it. There is a situation with the elevated 55 freeway and it enabling people to look down into it, but there is a louvered screen behind the parapet which will screen the equipment. When the project comes back to DRC she will have plans showing the above. The Committee wants to be sure that the equipment is not higher than the parapet. A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to continue the project. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November 19, 2003 Page 5 2. DRC No. 3823-03 -THE VILLA RESTAURANT Proposal to construct a stucco monument sign along the front yard setback area, two feet away from property line. 510 East Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Assistant Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Committee Member Jon Califf asked the applicant what kind of background material would be behind the letters of the sign. Applicant answered it would be a type of tile. Letters themselves will be approximately 2" and made out of a resin, bolted in. Everything will be illuminated from the exterior (two flood lights from each side). Committee Member Craig Wheeler asked the applicant if they would be able to do that and still have room between the sign and the property line and still maintain 15-foot separation from the driveway. The applicant said yes. A motion was made by Committee Chair Joe Woollett to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. That the file border is matte black. 2. That the stucco is brown to match the building. 3. That the file is a cream color matte finish file similar in color to the windows. 4. That the lettering is black resin post mounted, set off from the tile. 5. That the sign meet the corner cut-off requirements of the City. SECOND: Craig Wheeler AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November 19, 2003 Page 6 3. DRC No. 3869 TRICO SYCAMORE PLAZA Two proposals: New sign program and request for minor design changes and landscape modifications on Medical Center Building as previously approved under DRC 3734. 411 and 431 S. Batavia Street Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan DRC Action: Final Determination Mr. Dan Ryan, staff member, presented the project. The requested changes involve landscape; the placement of the downspouts and leader heads; and a new sign program with monument sign, 2 signs on the building and a request to approve either/or make a recommendation for a sign that is 5' ll" (which does not meet code and would have to go to the Zoning Administrator) rather than the 42" high version that meets sign code criteria. Committee Chair Joe Woollett asked that the building issues be dealt with first. Landscaping -The applicant was asked if all of the trees that were shown originally, were actually still there. The answer was yes. A landscaping strip has been added in the front to make the property look better. Additional parking with access off of Batavia. Will put in weed abatement and then will use decomposed granite. Existing paved areas will be left alone. Committee Chair Woollett asked Mr. Ryan how the City views this informal parking area. Mr. Ryan stated that if there is going to be a lot of parking, not just brief seasonal use, the applicant may apply for a Temporary Use Permit. Part of the requirements would be the parking lots would have to be screened, and have 10% landscaping. Mr. Ryan then discussed the downspouts. The concern is as it's in a corner of Old Towne and this must meet the guidelines of the Old Towne area. The applicant explained things they had done to further complement the building and to make it blend with Old Towne. Committee Member Jon Califf stated his fear of the complexity of the downspout and that after a year or two, if they are not done well, it will detract from the look. The applicant stated that they do have plans for Cypress trees, which when mature (in a few years), will cover the panel joints. Committee Chair Woollett commented that any new building built in Old Towne is a dilemma, because the guidelines don't address new buildings very well. It's impossible to make a new building look like an old building. A discussion followed about changing the 15-gallon Cypress trees to 24 inch Cypress. The signs were discussed next. The Committee and applicant discussed the reasons why certain codes were on the signs, discussed the height of the lettering and placement on the signs etc. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for November 19, 2003 Page 7 A motion was made by Committee Member Craig Wheeler to approve the project subject to the following conditions: 1. That the applicant has the choice of removing the previously approved imitation downspouts in exchange for replacing the currently proposed 15-gallon Cypress with 24- inch box Italian Cypress. Either all downspouts or all Cypress are to be used. 2. Approve sign program, and recommend approval to Zoning Administrator for 5' 11" high auto directional sign. 3. Approve decomposed granite at 2" with weed abatement. SECOND: Jon Califf AYES: Jon Califf, Craig Wheeler, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED N:AC D DAP L N G\Council Commissions Committees~DRC~DRC ll-19-03 drem.doc