2012 - June 4Planning Commission Meeting June 4, 2012
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Minutes
Planning Commission June 4, 2012
City of Orange Monday 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart, Gladson and Grangoff
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
STAFF
PRESENT: Leslie Aranda Roseberry, Planning Manager
Anna Pehoushek, Principal Planner
Dan Ryan, Historic Preservation Planner
Robert Garcia, Associate Planner
Gary Sheatz, Assistant City Attorney
Sandi Dimick, Recording Secretary
ADMINISTRATIVE SESSION
Vice Chair Buttress opened the Administration Session of the Planning Commission
Meeting at 6:49 p.m.
Vice Chair Buttress asked if there were any comments on the minutes and noted that she
would abstain from the vote on the set of minutes from May 21, 2012. Commissioner
Gladson stated she would record an abstention for the set of minutes from the May 7,
2012 Planning Commission Meeting. Commissioner Gladson stated if Chair Steiner was
not present for the meeting, she asked if those not present at the meetings could vote an
abstention in order to have a quorum? Assistant City Attorney, Gary Sheatz, stated that
was correct.
Historic Preservation Planner, Dan Ryan, stated he had received correspondence on the
Agenda Item for the Allen Residence; it was a letter in support of the project. Vice
Chair Buttress stated she had driven by the project site and could understand why the
neighbors would be anxious for the project to get started.
Planning Manager, Leslie Aranda Roseberry, stated there were no changes to the items
before the Commission and she expected them to move forward.
There was no further discussion.
Administrative Session adjourned @ 6:55 p.m.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
None
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REGULAR SESSION
Consent Calendar:
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED
MEETING OF MAY 7, 2012
Commissioner Buttress made a motion to approve the minutes as written.
SECOND: Commissioner Grangoff
AYES:
Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart and Grangoff
NOES:
None
ABSTAIN:
Commissioner Gladson
ABSENT:
Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
(2) APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED
MEETING OF MAY 21, 2012
Commissioner Gladson made a motion to approve the minutes as written with correction.
SECOND: Commissioner Grangoff
AYES: Commissioners Gladson and Grangoff
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Buttress and Cathcart
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
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Commission Business:
(3) GENERAL PLAN CONFORMANCE FINDING FOR FY 2012 -2013
THROUGH 2018 -2019 - SEVEN YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM
The Capital Improvement Program (CIP) serves as a single comprehensive plan of
proposed capital improvement projects for the budget year FY 2012 -2013 and the six
years thereafter. In accordance with state law, the City must determine that the CIP is
consistent with the General Plan.
NOTE: Staff has reviewed the list of projects identified in the CIP and determined
that a number of projects will involve the need for preparation of
environmental documentation in accordance with the California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). Those documents will be prepared
during project refinement and finalized prior to the awarding of contracts
by the City Council.
The General Plan conformity determination report is not a project under
CEQA.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Find the projects identified within the proposed seven -year Capital
Improvement Program are consistent with the City's General Plan.
Principal Planner, Anna Pehoushek, presented a project overview consistent with the
Staff Report.
Vice Chair Buttress asked if there were any questions for Staff. There were none.
Commissioner Cathcart stated he had reviewed the proposal and it was very well done
and very clear.
Vice Chair Buttress stated on the issue of the State deciding the necessity of having re-
development funds and in the past, she believed some of those funds assisted with Capital
Improvement Projects; she asked if there was a hold on those projects?
Ms. Pehoushek stated projects that were carried over from the previous CIP and some
new projects had been identified as not using redevelopment money and there were a
number of different possible sources and the timeframe for some of the projects extended
over multiple years. In most instances, there had been a specific funding source
identified or there was money through grant funding and other State programs.
Commissioner Gladson made a motion to approve General Plan Conformance Finding
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for FY 2012 -2013 through 2018- 2019 -Seven Year Capital Improvement Program, in
accordance with the findings presented and contained in the Staff Report.
Commissioner Gladson stated the program provided for a nice road map on where the
City was headed and the ability to understand projects were being funded in the long term
interest of the community.
SECOND: Commissioner Cathcart
AYES: Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart, Gladson and Grangoff
NOES:
None
ABSTAIN:
None
ABSENT:
Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
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New Hearings:
(4) CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2841 -11 AND DESIGN REVIEW
COMMITTEE NO. 4534 -11— ALLEN RESIDENCE
The applicant is proposing to demolish and reconstruct a non - contributing rear porch
addition and basement. The proposal also includes converting an existing attic into a
bedroom and bath with a walk -out deck on a one -story contributing 1895 Victorian
residence.
LOCATION: 202 N. Cambridge
NOTE: The proposed project is categorically exempt from the provisions
of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per State
CEQA Guidelines Section 15302 (Class 2 — Replacement or
Reconstruction) consists of replacement or reconstruction of
existing structures where the new structure will be located on the
same site and have substantially the same purpose as the structure
replaced and Section 15331 (Class 31 — Historical Resource
Restoration and Rehabilitation) consists of projects limited to
maintenance, repair, stabilization, rehabilitation, restoration,
preservation, conservation or reconstruction of historical resources
in a manner consistent with the Secretary of the Interior's
Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties with Guidelines
for Preserving, Rehabilitating, Restoring and Reconstructing
Historic Buildings.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 05 -12 approving the
demolition and replacement of an addition and basement including
a second -story deck for as contributing residence.
Commissioner Cathcart recused himself from the item's presentation as he had been a
member of the Design Review Committee when the item had gone before that body.
Historic Preservation Planner, Dan Ryan, presented a project overview consistent with
the Staff Report.
Vice Chair Buttress opened the item for any questions for Staff.
Commissioner Gladson stated for the non - architect in the room, she referred to her color
photo of the subject site, and asked on the non - contributing portion of the home was there
a sense of the age of that portion of the home and why it was considered non-
conforming?
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Mr. Ryan stated the Sanborn maps had been reviewed and it was difficult to determine
what the age of that portion of the house was. The materials were clearly different from
the original structure.
Commissioner Gladson stated the addition would be at the furthest west portion of the
property and match up with that area in terms of alignment and pick up the same
materials of the existing property.
Mr. Ryan stated the north and south sides would be maintained. There would be new
windows in the south side, but the walls would be maintained with the same building
footprint. A portion at the top of those walls would have a band board below the eaves
that would extend into the exiting eave line to match.
Commissioner Gladson stated one of the things she had noticed in the minutes from the
Design Review Committee meeting was a concern about the foundation and exactly
where the line of demarcation would occur between the old and new. She asked for
further information on those issues?
Mr. Ryan stated one of the issues was that the plans had not noted an actual line of
demarcation. Generally there was a horizontal line and he was not certain that the DRC
had focused on that issue.
Commissioner Gladson stated that had been a condition and it would be handled or
picked up in plan check.
Mr. Ryan stated it was something that could be conditioned.
Vice Chair Buttress invited the applicant to address the Commission.
Kevin Allen, address on file, stated he was a long time resident of Orange and he loved
the area. He wanted to improve his house. The foundation was brick and mortar and the
mortar was coming apart. He was starting with the bottom and improving it to the top
with matching materials, whatever was newly installed would match what was already
there. There would be new plumbing and insulation, a new roof and paint job, complete
from porch and all the details. There would be some changes to the home.
In regard to the line of demarcation, there had been some discussion about where that
should be; as originally submitted it was past the window under the roof line. It had been
suggested that on the outside of the house that the demarcation be noted at the service
porch area. He was starting from the bottom to the top and maintaining the original
character of the home. His attic had boxes in it and he wanted to make it another
bedroom and bathroom in that space. Everyone had told him to build over the garage and
not mess with the house, but that was not what he had wanted, he wanted to stay within
the original foot print of the house and even dealing with the siding that ran up the side of
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the house, to replace some of the damaged areas. On the walk out deck, at first it had
been presented with a railing, but the DRC had not felt it was historical and he then
suggested that the deck area be under the roof line so it would not be as visible.
Commissioner Grangoff asked Mr. Allen if he was in agreement with all of the
conditions of approval.
Mr. Allen stated he had been working on the proposal for so long that he would do
whatever was required.
Commissioner Gladson stated on the front window that faced Cambridge the condition
from the DRC was for that window to be a casement window.
Mr. Allen stated they had gone back and forth on the window size for the required light
and egress; and the proposed window met the requirements.
Vice Chair Buttress opened the item for Public Comment.
Jeff Frankel, address on file, representing the OTPA, stated they had commented on the
project at the DRC level. Unfortunately the plans available at that time were not clear
and there had been a partial demolition of the contributing structure. The plans were not
available at the library for public review and he was not certain as to what changes had
been made, and he assumed there had not been changes. The demolition was also missed
in the DRC Staff Report, and not included in their comments at that time. It was only
after the DRC meeting that it had been brought up by Committee Member Wheeler. The
OTPA supported adding living space in attic or basement areas and appreciated the
replacement of aluminum windows with wood and also understood about the foundation
situation. The OTPA was opposed to any demolition of a contributing structure and there
needed to be some mitigating measures, Mitigated Negative Declaration, it was a four to
one DRC vote with Committee Member Wheeler being opposed to the proposed project.
There had not been discussion by other DRC members about a partial demolition or other
issues with the Standards; those being: new additions shall be undertaken in such a
manner that if removed in the future the historic property would remain unimpaired. In
removing one wall, the structure would not be unimpaired and the OTPA was opposed to
that. It was important to determine when the addition was built. The Standards also
stated that new additions, exterior alterations, or related new construction shall not
destroy historic features or historic materials that characterized the property. The project
would impact the original porch and front gable vent that was quite large and of a
Victorian style. Both components were character defining features of the site.
Committee Member Wheeler also had concerns with the visibility of the changes from
the street as it would affect the street scape. All projects in Old Towne must meet the
Standards.
Vice Chair Buttress closed the item to Public Comment and asked Staff for comments on
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the concerns that had been brought up by Mr. Frankel?
Mr. Ryan stated the Staff Report had noted that in the last 3 environmental reviews, the
examples were for projects that had not changed the building's foot print and used
materials that were similar or in kind. One of the reasons for maintaining the north and
south walls, on the proposal before them, was to in fact have the only change be the roof
location. Mr. Frankel brought up a good point, as the DRC had wanted the window in the
front that would permit egress; it was a double hung window. He recalled another project
that had incorporated a screened vent on the outside of the window that would pull back
to maintain the historic feature. It had not been mentioned during the DRC meeting, but
it was a suggestion of Committee Member Wheeler on another project. It was noted that
there were two conditions that were not in the Resolution; one for the wood paneled style
door for the second floor deck and another for the plans to reflect a wood or metal cap for
the roof surround in the back of the deck. Those were in the DRC minutes, but had not
been carried over in the Resolution.
Vice Chair Buttress asked if there was any way to discover when the added shed had
been added.
Mr. Ryan stated he had looked through all of the Sanborn maps and there had been two
separate additions to the back, the early aerials of 1948 showed some portion of that, but
there was no further information to make a specific determination.
Commissioner Grangoff made a motion to adopt PC Resolution No. 5 -12, approving
CUP No. 2841 -11 and DRC No. 4534 -11 -Allen Residence, subject to the conditions
contained in the Staff Report.
Vice Chair Buttress stated she would second the motion and also close the Public
Hearing.
Planning Manager Leslie Aranda Roseberry asked the maker of the motion and on the
second if that included the two additional conditions from the DRC, as noted in the
presentation that had been omitted in the Resolution?
Commissioner Grangoff stated provided that the applicant was in agreement.
Vice Chair Buttress stated the applicant had agreed to that.
Commissioner Gladson stated now that a motion was before them, they could discuss and
deliberate and go through it, frankly, what had been brought before her had her in a bit of
a quandary. She was not certain that they had enough information to tell if the shed was
contributing or not and they were headed down a slippery slope to allow for the
demolition of something that when it was gone it would be gone. It was the only piece
of the proposal that was troubling her and she might be in the minority in terms of that
position. She commended Mr. Allen in the restoration of the home, but the shed issue
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and the vent issues were troubling. She was not certain if she followed Mr. Ryan's
discussion on the vent issue. She was struggling with being able to support a project that
she had not had enough information about and the fact that she had to support the finding
with the Design Standards of an Old Towne project. They needed to be careful and
cautious, especially when it came to demolitions. Maybe they needed to contemplate a
continuance of the proposal before them.
Commissioner Grangoff stated as the maker of the motion he was ready to move
approval. The things he looked at, and especially with Old Towne Orange projects, was
how had the DRC weighed in on the proposal as they reviewed it in much more detail.
With a project that came through to the Planning Commission on a four to one vote, that
gave him confidence in his decision making. He was not troubled by it and he was
pleased to see someone taking such an interest in their piece of property to make it better
and he would not want to hold that up. He was supportive of the proposal before them.
Vice Chair Buttress asked Mr. Ryan if there were further things that could be done to
determine the age of the shed, if there was something out there- a stone unturned?
Mr. Ryan stated the shed addition had a different shed form and different materials and
that it was not the original porch. In reviewing the original home's design and the porch
situation that existed it was determined that the shed portion had not been part of the
original form. What they had was a property owner that had the opportunity to repair
and replace portions of a historic structure and restore the original porch and that was
what the DRC had looked at and they had not considered the shed to be a portion of the
contributing structure. The exterior walls would be maintained on the north and south
side and the same building foot print was being maintained, currently there was a mix of
architecture that existed at the site. On the vent, there had been instances, where the vent
had been attached to the bottom portion of the window and it would swing out.
Commissioner Gladson stated she understood it now. On the portion that was referred to
as the old porch, which had an aluminum window, there was vertical siding; was the plan
to continue horizontal siding all the way to the new addition? It would all match up and
it helped with the argument that the shed portion had been an addition.
Mr. Ryan stated the material was different in size. The DRC in the past asked for a line
of demarcation with the use of different material size.
Vice Chair Buttress stated were they ready to vote.
Commissioner Grangoff stated sure.
Vice Chair Buttress stated let's vote.
SECOND: Commissioner Buttress
AYES: Commissioners Buttress, Gladson and Grangoff
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NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
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MOTION CARRIED
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(5) CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2849 -12 — CAREER NETWORK
INSTITUTE (CNI)
The applicant requests to be allowed to have an ultimate enrollment of 125 students and
28 staff members at the 702 W Town and Country building. A CUP is required for the
expansion of the school use and for the shared parking agreement.
LOCATION: 702 W. Town and Country Road
NOTE: The proposed project is categorically exempt from the provisions
of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per State
CEQA Guidelines Section 1301 (Class 1 — Existing Facilities)
because the project proposes no change to an existing building
with an existing tenant.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 23 -12 approving the
expansion with up to 125 students and 28 staff members.
Associate Planner, Robert Garcia, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
Vice Chair Buttress opened the item to any questions for Staff. There were none.
Vice Chair Buttress invited the applicant to address the Commission.
James Buffington, address on file, stated he was available for questions.
Vice Chair Buttress brought the item back to the Commission for action or a motion.
Commissioner Grangoff made a motion to adopt, PC Resolution No. 23 -12, approving
CUP No. 2849 -12- Career Network Institute (CNI), subject to the conditions contained in
the Staff Report and noting the proposed project was categorically exempt from CEQA.
SECOND: Commissioner Gladson
AYES: Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart, Gladson, and Grangoff
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
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(6) CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 2852 -12 — TOKYO CAFE
The applicant is requesting an Alcohol Beverage Control Type 41 (On -Sale Beer and
Wine — Eating Place) license for their Japanese restaurant.
LOCATION: 161 N. Glassell
NOTE: The proposed project is categorically exempt from the provisions
of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per State
CEQA Guidelines Section 15301 (Class 1 — Existing Facilities)
because the project involves the licensing of alcohol sales and no
new construction or expansion with the request.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Adopt Planning Commission Resolution 24 -12 approving an
Alcoholic Beverage Control License Type 41.
Historic Preservation Planner, Dan Ryan, presented a project overview consistent with
the Staff Report.
Vice Chair Buttress opened the item to any questions for Staff? There were none.
Vice Chair Buttress invited the applicant to address the Commission.
Tony Wang, address on file, stated they had a family owned business and had been in
Orange for almost 10 years. The only reason that they had not applied for the CUP in the
past was that there had been an agreement in their lease that they would not serve
alcohol. Over the years they had established a good relationship with the property owner
and he had agreed to allow them to serve alcohol as they had proved to be a responsible
tenant. His mother owned the establishment and he managed the restaurant, there was
always a family member there. They were very responsible.
Commissioner Gladson stated they had received a nice letter that laid out a previous
history with another establishment that served alcohol and she asked what had been his
experience there?
Mr. Wang stated he had always helped out in the family business and they had previously
owned a Chinese restaurant in San Bernardino, that business had been sold and he had
mentioned it as a reference. There had been a full bar license there without any
problems.
Commissioner Gladson stated for Condition No. 34, which was a condition regarding the
training of employees to handle the care and feeding of folks that were consuming
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alcohol and she asked if he was prepared to implement that request?
Mr. Wang stated he was.
Vice Chair Buttress closed the public hearing and brought the item back for further
discussion or action.
Commissioner Gladson made a motion to adopt PC Resolution No. 24 -12, approving
CUP No. 2852 -12 -Tokyo Cafe, subject to the conditions contained in the Staff Report
and noting the project was categorically exempt from CEQA.
SECOND: Commissioner Cathcart
AYES: Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart, Gladson and Grangoff
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
(7) ADJOURNMENT:
Vice Chair Buttress stated before they adjourned she wanted to thank the Staff for their
very thorough presentations and for Mr. Ryan's clarification on many of the issues that
were addressed on the projects presented.
Adjournment to the next Planning Commission Meeting scheduled for Monday, June 18
2012.
Commissioner Cathcart made a motion for adjournment to the next regular scheduled
meeting of the Planning Commission on Monday, June 18, 2012.
SECOND: Commissioner Grangoff
AYES: Commissioners Buttress, Cathcart, Gladson, and Grangoff
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Steiner
MOTION CARRIED
Meeting Adjourned @ 7:56 p.m.