2018-09-05 DRC Final Minutes CITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
, MINUTES—FINAL
- September 5, 2018
Committee Members Present: Tim McCormack- Chair
Anne McDermott—Vice Chair
Mary Anne Skorpanich
Carol Fox
Robert Imboden
Staff in Attendance: Anna Pehoushek, Assistant Community Development Director
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner �
Simonne Fannin, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session—5:00
1. Chair McCormack opened the Administrative Session at 5:01 p.m. and inquired about the
Policy/Procedural Information.
• Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner stated there were no changes to the
agenda.
Committee Members provided edits to the August 1 and August 15, 2018 minutes.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design
� _ Review Committee meeting.
SECOND: McDermott
AYES: McCormack, Imboden, Skorpanich, McDermott, and Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:12 p.m.
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Regular Session—5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Committee Members McCormack, Imboden, Skorpanich, McDermott and Fox were present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for Members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
CONSENT ITEMS:
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AUGUST 1 AND AUGUST 15, 2018.
Committee Member Skorpanich made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review
Committee meetings of August 1 and August 15, 2018 as emended in the Administrative
Session.
SECOND: McDermott
� AYES: McCormack, Fox, Skorpanich, Imboden and McDermott '
NOES: None
ABSENT : None
ABSTAIN: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS:
New A�enda Items:
(2) DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4864-16—999 TOWN& COUNTRY MIXED USE
• A request to approve a sign program and related freestanding entry and directional signage in
association with a horizontal mixed-use development that also includes a new five-story
residential apartment building. The proposed signage pertains to the office building
component of the larger development site. The project was approved by the DRC on June 7,
2017.
• 999 W. Town and Country Road
• Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, (714) 744-7228, apehoushek(a�ci , oforan�e.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Anna Pehoushek, Assistant Community Development Director provided an overview of the sign
program consistent with the staff report.
Chair McCormack asked the applicant if he had anything to add.
Nick Marcos, representative for the applicant stated he did not have anything else to add and
provided samples of the orange Chroma accents and wood that will be used on the monument
- � and directional signs.
Committee comments and questions:
• The Committee Members inquired if the apartment signage needs the DRC's approval
and Ms. Pehoushek stated yes. She explained when it originally came to the DRC, the
proposal was one integrated project; however, since then the residential piece of the
project was sold to the Toll Brothers. Now that the two pieces have been broken apart
staff is trying to ensure that they remain visually integrated.
• The Committee Members expressed surprise that the office building had been painted
white instead of remaining the tan natural color that was present when the project was
originally approved. They do not understand the relationship of the sign design to the
project now that the office building has been painted white.
• The Committee Members also noticed that landscaping has begun. Ms. Pehoushek
responded that interim landscaping is occurring around the office as well as treatment for
the dog park. The final landscape, lighting and signage plan will be brought to the DRC
for final approval. Also, there are issues with Edison regarding the placement of
transformers which is having a ripple effect on the landscaping.
• The Committee expressed a lack of confidence that this project will be built as approved.
It is unclear who is responsible for the coordination of the materials, colors and finishes.
• The project will not be cohesive if the Committee is approving things piecemeal, and
does not understand the context and landscape walls that are being shown.
l • When the Committee originally reviewed the fence,they thought they were looking at the
style and color palette; the colors that are being presented now were not on the original
material board. Mr. Marcos responded that the approved package consists of the large
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' _ ' slatted wood wall in front of the office building; the two monument signs that are at the
entry drive were not in the original package.
• There are more walls being built than what was originally approved.
• The wall doesn't look like a slat wall, it looks like a fence; there's more gap then there is
material.
Given that the project has been partitioned into different components, the decisions made by the
Committee on this submittal will govern future discussions about the remaining components of
the ultimate development project.
Mr. Marcos pointed out the placement of the wood walls on the site plan for the Committee
Members.
• The Committee Members asked Mr. Marcos to explain the internally lit letters versus
externally lit. Mr. Marcos explained the sign's lighting and the spacing of the sign copy.
• There were concerns about the 52' wall length, how it will look so close to the ground
and what will the back of it look like. Will the bases match and how will they relate to
each other?
• The Committee Members asked about the decorative retaining wall that is
diagrammatically laid out, but is not in the drawings.
• The preliminary plans do not indicate that the wood wall is going to be illuminated.
• The Committee Members recommended a continuance to get clarification on what has
�'��� truly been approved.
• When the project was originally proposed as a horizontal mixed-use development, the
Committee had issues with the various components being coordinated.
• The Committee is not happy with the aesthetics of the signs; wood slats with lights
behind it bears no relationship to the style of the building. Walls that are claiming to be
decorative are very close to the signs and should be coordinated with the signs.
• The signage is quite different between the two schemes; it is difficult to see them
working together, they appear to be different projects.
• Without the context of what the other low walls are, the Committee is unable to assess
whether or not this is the right decoration for the fence.
• The wood is now a far less appropriate material given that the natural concrete of the
office building has been painted; it changed the whole dynamics of the color palette and
the natural use of materials is only happening on a few short walls.
• The material of one of the monument signs appears to be very thin compared to the
directional sign wall. Font wise, the letters look the same, however they will be lit
differently and will look different.
• The Committee would like to see the approved landscape plan to help them visualize how
the signs relate to the landscaping.
• The building is a monolithic cube and the slat wall speaks a completely different
language, it is completely different than a fence that is internally lit, both of which have
no relationship to the building behind it. The Committee encouraged the sign designers
to think about the materiality of the building and its relationship to the signs.
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Chair McCormack asked the applicant if he would be willing to continue the item and return
with revisions based on the Committee's concerns and recommendations.
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` Mr. Marcos agreed to continuance of the item.
The Committee asked that the applicant come back with an entire package that includes any
appr�ved landscape and color palette including pavers.
Mr. Marcos stated they thought there was some cohesiveness'between the monument signs with
the wood slats and the other wood slat wall elements that had already been presented. The first
time they presented the project, the elevations showed white paint on the office building which
was the wrong color. They revised the plans to show the correct color. Since that time a tenant
in the building downsized which led to vacancies. In order to help with leasing efforts, they
painted the building white because they thought it was complementary to some of the approved
colors on the adjacent apartment.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to continue Design Review No. 4864 — 16 - 999 Town
& Country Mixed Use Signage to a future date given the feedback provided by the Committee.
SECOND: Skorpanich
AYES: Skorpanich, McCormack,Fox, Imboden and McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(3) DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4929-17—ACTIVCARE LIVING LANDSCAPE PLAN
• Finallandscape plan review for a new single story, 72-bed memory care facility on a vacant
lot. The project was approved by the Planning Commission on May 21, 2018 with conditions
of approval related to the final landscape design.
• 2629 E. Chapman Avenue
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, (714) 744-7223, kribuffo(a�citvoforan e.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner provided an overview of the project consistent with the staff
report.
Chair McCormack asked the applicant if he had anything to add.
Kevin Moriarty did not have anything to add to Ms. Ribuffo's overview.
Chair McCormack opened the public comment portion of the meeting; seeing no speakers, he
closed the public comment and brought it back to the Committee. -
Committee Member comments and recommendations:
• Committee Members inquired about the Fire Department restrictions on the drive aisles
;" and landscaping. Ms. Ribuffo responded that the Fire Department approved the turning
'` -- area and landscaping. The curvature of the fire lane was changed, which allowed for
more landscaping.
• The Committee Members agreed with the removal of the older trees and asked what kind
of trees will replace them. Chair McCormack stated Melaleuca trees will replace them.
After further discussion, the Committee agreed Redbud or Acacia trees would be more
appropriate instead of the Melaleuca along the north property line. Mr. Moriarty agreed
with the recommendation.
• The project now has more of a residential feel and the revisions were well executed.
• The Committee inquired about the zoning of the property to the north. Ms. Ribuffo
stated part of it is zoned recreation open space, and part is zoned commercial, with the
potential to become public institutional. If the property is developed in the fixture, it will
have to be sensitive to the interface with the creek. There is a lot of fill on the property
that would have to be remediated and re-compacted.
� • Chair McCormack recommended that the plans specify "no hybrid" on the Mexican Fan
Palms.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve Design Review 4929-17 - ActivCare Living
Landscape Plan based on the findings and conditions listed in the staff report with the addition of
one condition:
• The four Melaleuca trees on the north property line shall be replaced with two Acacias
identical in size and type to those already in the palette or, if there is an objection by the
Fire Department, replace them with two Redbuds identical in size and type to those
already in the palette.
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� __ SECOND: Skorpanich
AYES: Skorpanich, McCormack, Fox, Imboden and McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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_ (4) DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4946-18 —VALDEZ RESIDENCE
• A proposal to add a 64 SF bathroom addition to the rear of a single-family residence. The
property is a contributing resource to the National Register-listed Old Towne Historic
District.
• 151 N. Pine Street
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, (714) 744-7223,kribuffo c(�e,cityoforan e�.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Ms. Ribuffo,provided an overview of the addition consistent with the staff report.
Chair McCormack asked the applicant if they wanted to add to the explanation.
Brandy Valdez, applicant did not have anything further.
Chair McCormack opened the public comment portion of the meeting.
Jeff Frankel, Old Towne Preservation Association inquired about the size of the new window
and the possibility of utilizing the original wood window that is being removed from home on
the addition. He feels the reax elevation looks plain, the style of the metal vent on the gable
could be revised.
� - Committee Member Fox stated old windows can only be used on the historic part of the house
because they don't meet the energy requirements for the new construction under Title 24 Codes.
Chair McCormack closed the public comment and brought it back to the Committee.
Committee comments and recommendations:
• The Committee asked if the battens are an alternating size. Pat Austin, architect
responded they are not intended to vary in size; they will all be 1 1/2".
• The Committee complimented the applicant on a nicely scaled, seamless addition with
compatible materials.
• The Committee Members wanted to make sure the gable vent is made of wood, and asked
if it could be made slightly larger.
• The Committee asked to include a condition that the project return to the DRC for review
if the egress window for the bedroom is not up to code and needs to be replaced with a
larger window opening.
Committee Member Skorpanich made a motion to approve Design Review No. 4946-18 -
Valdez Residence based on the findings and conditions listed in the staff report with the
additional conditions:
• The battens shall be a uniform size of 1 1/2 inch.
• If the bedroom window needs to be changed, it shall return to the DRC for review.
,� � • The new gable vent shall be wood.
The motion included the following recommendation:
• The applicant may consider making the gable vent on the north elevation slightly larger.
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SECOND: Imboden
AYES: Skorpanich, McCormack,Fox, Imboden and McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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'°,` (5) DESIGN REVIEW NO. 4906-17— 10 PLAZA SQUARE
• Modifications to a project to remodel the exterior of 10 Plaza Square were approved by the
DRC on August 1, 2018 with the condition of approval that the design of the utility cabinet
on the Plaza-facing fa�ade of the building must return to the DRC for final approval prior to
issuance of a building permit. The applicant is requesting approval of the redesigned utility
cabinet.
• 10 Plaza Square, Plaza Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, (714) 744-7243, mmoshiern,citvoforan�g
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Ms. Moshier,provided an overview of the project consistent with the staff report.
Chair McCormack asked the applicant if he had anything else to add.
Victor Corona responded no.
Chair McCormack opened the public comment portion. There were no speakers; therefore, he
brought it back to the Committee.
Committee comYnents and recommendations:
' • The Committee asked if the doors on the electrical room and gas meter cabinet are the
`. _ same, if they are painted wood, and if they have signs on them. Mr. Corona responded
they are wood slab doors and will have a small sign indicating electrical room and gas
room.
• The Committee asked about the two louvers that are shown on the plans. Mr. Corona
responded the louvers are needed in order to cross ventilate the air around the gas meters.
• The Committee asked if the louvers are sheet-metal that will be painted the same as the
building. Mr. Corona responded the louvers are made of wood in order to avoid
interference when the gas meters are read.
• The Committee would like to see the vents aligned with the storefront elements that are
adjacent to them especially the one that is transom height.
Committee Member Imboden made a motion to approve Design Review No. 4906-17 - 10 Plaza
Square subject to the conditions and findings in the staff report with the additional condition:
• The vents on the west elevation of the building shall be aligned, as much as possible, with
the adjacent architectural elements,particularly the upper vent.
SECOND: Skorpanich
AYES: Skorpanich, McCormack, Fox, Imboden and McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
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, , ADJOURNMENT:
A motion was made to adjourn at 7:26 p.m. The next regular meeting is scheduled on
Wednesday, September 19 2018, at 5:30 p.m.
MOTION: Fox
SECOND: Imboden
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, and McDermott, Imboden and Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 8:33 p.m.
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