2018-05-02 DRC Final Minutes CITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES - FINAL
May 2, 2018
Committee Members Present: Tim McCormack - Chair
Anne McDermott—Vice Chair
Mary Anne Skorpanich
Robert Imboden
Carol Fox
Committee Members Absent: None
Staff in Attendance: Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner
Simonne Fannin, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session—5:00
1. Chair McCormack opened the Administrative Session at 5:07 p.m. and inquired about the
Policy/Procedural Information.
• Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner advised the Committee that there will
be an Eichler community workshop on Thursday, May 3rd in the Library Community
Room at 6:00 p.m. to discuss design standards.
The Committee discussed their desire, when approving windows and doors on historic homes, to
require the applicant to provide very detailed drawings for the replacement windows or doors or
to include a note on the plans indicating that all doors and windows will match existing windows.
Committee Member Skorpanich made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design
Review Committee meeting.
SECOND: McDermott
AYES: Imboden, McDermott, McCormack, Skorpanich, Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:19 p.m.
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Regular Session—5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Committee Members Imboden, McDermott, Skorpanich, McCormack, and Fox were all present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for Members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
CONSENT ITEMS: None
AGENDA ITEMS:
Continued Items: None
New Agenda Items:
(2) DRC NO. 4902-17—URTH CAFFE SIGNAGE
• A request to modify a previously approved window sign for Urth Caffe.
• 100 W. Chapman Avenue, Plaza Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, (714) 744-7243, mmoshier(c�,citvoforan e�.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner provided an explanation of the project consistent
with the staff report.
Chair McCormack opened the public comment portion of the meeting.
Jeff Frankel, Old Towne Preservation Association approached and stated the sign meets the design
standards and is appropriate in the historic district.
Chair McCormack closed the public comment portion of the meeting.
The Committee commented and asked the following questions:
• In response to the Committee's question about the sign attachment, Chris DeRuyter,
applicant responded that there is an existing steel lintel above the door. The sign will
be attached through the steel into the concrete above. The underside of the brick or
concrete will not be visible. This sign will also be double faced.
• In response to a question about the type of lighting, Mr. DeRuyter stated it will be a
warm LED lamp and the point source will not be visible from the street.
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Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4902-17—Urth Caffe Signage based
on the findings and conditions in the staff report with the following additional condition:
• The proposed light fixture shall have a point source that is not visible from the street.
SECOND Skorpanich
AYES: McCormack, Skorpanich, Imboden, McDermott, Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(3) DRC NO. 4922-17 —WAHLQUIST RESIDENCE
•A proposal to construct a 719 square foot addition to the rear of a contributing single family
residence in the Old Towne Historic District.
• 138 N. Pine Street, Old Towne Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, (714) 744-7243, mmoshier(a�citvoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner provided an explanation of the project consistent
with the staff report and recommended approval of the proposal based on the form and the scale
of the addition, the size of this particular lot and materials that are being proposed.
Chair McCormack opened the public hearing.
Jeff Frankel, Old Towne Preservation Association stated they are concerned about the size of the
addition compared to the size of the home, as well as the visibility from the sidewalk and street.
He asked if the two-foot distance from eave to eave between the house and garage meets the Code.
Ms. Moshier stated it meets the Zoning Code requirements on the 6-foot separation from wall to
wall and asked the project architect to respond to the Building Code question.
Duane Brenneise, architect stated there needs to be 5 feet between the roofs; therefore, they are
proposing to reduce the depth of the eave on the house gable roof from 30 inches to 12 inches and
cut back the dimensions of the garage eave if needed.
The Committee commented and asked the following questions:
• The addition is too large in proportion to the historic resource, and the house and garage
are too close together to be compatible with the typical relationship of houses and accessory
structures in the historic district.
• The 12-inch eave overhang proposed on the house is not sufficient. The historic brackets
that are being moved will not work on the 12-inch overhang. The design of the eaves should
be further reviewed.
• There needs to be more detail on the plans for the windows and doors. The Committee
would consider hopper, awning or casement windows at the former service porch as long
as they are called out on the plans and meet the egress requirements of the Building and
Fire Codes.
• The door on the rear of the house looks similar to a period door and could be reused on the
south elevation of the addition. The side entry door should not look like a front door and
should be simplified to look more like a side door
• The first window of the addition on the south elevation is too close to the rear wall of the
house. A smaller window in that location would fit better.
• The Committee dislikes notching the eave on the garage just to comply with the code; it is
not a good solution.
• The windows of the service porch should remain wrapping the southwest corner. The
service porch window on the west elevation should not be infilled.
• The porch cover on the south elevation of the addition has an odd form and proportion and
does not go with the historic home. A shed roof would be more typical and appropriate.
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Paul Wahlquist, applicant stated they wanted to make porch functional because it is
currently a small concrete stoop with no overhang.
• The Committee cautioned the applicant to make sure setbacks are adhered to if the proposal
includes relocating the garage.
• Committee Members suggested reducing the entire garage to two feet in order to avoid a
notch, maintaining a 2 foot 6 inch overhang on the addition, and providing 5 feet between
the eaves, which would result in 9 feet 6 inches between the walls of the garage and the
house.
Mr. Brenneise stated he will consider flipping the location of the rear bedroom and bathroom to
reduce some of the square footage on the addition in order to provide more room between the
buildings.
Mr. Wahlquist requested a continuance in order to rework the design.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to continue the item to allow the applicant to redesign the
project based on the comments and suggestions made by the Committee.
SECOND: McDermott
AYES: McCormack, Imboden, McDermott, Skorpanich, Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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Committee Member Fox made a motion to adjourn to the next Design Review Committee meeting
on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
SECOND: McDermott
AYES: McCormack, Imboden, McDermott,Skorpanich, Fox
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 6:54 p.m.