2017-07-19 DRC Final Minutes 1 CITY OF ORANGE
2 DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
3 MINUTES — FINAL
4 July 19, 2017
5 Committee Members Present: Robert Imboden—Chair
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10 Staff in Attendance: Jennifer Le, Principal Planner
11 Robert Garcia, Senior Planner
12 Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
13 Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner
14 Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner
15 Vidal F. Marquez, Assistant Planner
16 Carly Mallon, Recording Secretary
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1 g Administrative Session—5:00
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20 Chair Imboden opened the Administrative Session at 5:14 p.m.
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22 Chair Imboden inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information. Jennifer Le, Principal
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'i 25 Committee Members reviewed the Design Review Committee minutes for June 21, 2017 and July 5,
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28 Anne McDermott had a brochure to hand out to the Committee and staff with more information about
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31 Kelly Ribuffo told the Commission that the Villa Park Orchards Packing House final report was being
32 written. The final determination was anticipated before the end of the month and notices would be
33 mailed out at that time.Ms.Ribuffo informed the Committee that the Planning Commission had denied
34 the Unity Middle College project due to a variety of issues including traffic impacts and the influence
35 of the Design Review Committee's recommendation. Although the applicant had chosen new paint
36 color and added a trellis system prior to seeing the Planning Commission, the Commission still did
37 not feel comfortable making the design review findings. The resolution for denial will go back to the
38 Planning Commission on August 7th, 2017.
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40 Marissa Moshier,Historic Preservation Planner,reminded the Committee that on August 9`h,2017 the
41 Committee was scheduled to hold a special session to review the draft update to the Historic
42 Preservation Design Standards. This would be the only item to be reviewed at the meeting.
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44 Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design Review
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' 47 SECOND: Anne McDermott
� '8 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
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; 52 Administrative Session adjourned at 5:37 p.m.
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1 Regular Session—5:38 p.m.
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3 ROLL CALL:
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5 All Committee Members were present.
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7 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
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9 Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not listed
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12 There were no speakers.
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14 CONSENT ITEMS:
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16 (1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: June 21,2017 and July 5,2017
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18 (2) DRC No. 4612-12 Kona Cleaners
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20 • A request for final landscape plan approval in association with building fa�ade improvements
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2 • 821 W. Taft Avenue
23 . Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, (714) 744-7237, cortlieb@cityoforange.org
24 • DRC Action: Final Determination
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28 • A request to renovate the existing plaza landscaping. The improvements consists of renovating
29 approximately 30,000 SF of landscape and hardscape to the existing plaza, which includes a
30 fountain, seating areas, and shade trees.
31 • 1100 Town& Country Road
32 . Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714-744-7231, rgarcia@cityoforange.org
33 • DRC Action: Final Determination
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35 Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve the consent calendar items two and three, and the
36 minutes from the Design Review Committee meetings of June 21, 2017 and July 5, 2017 as emended
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39 SECOND: Anne McDermott
40 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
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1 (4) DRC No. 4910-17 Branch Residence Accessory Unit
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3 • A proposal to construct a new attached accessory dwelling unit at the rear of an existing single
4 family residence. The property is a contributing historic resource within the Old Towne
5 Histaric District.
6 • 248 N. Shaffer Street
7 • Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, 714-744-7223, kribuffo@cityoforange.org
8 • DRC Action: Final Determination
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10 Chair Imboden made a motion to remove DRC No. 4910-17 from the consent calendar to be heard
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13 SECOND: Anne McDermott
14 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
15 NOES: None
16 ABSENT: None
17 ABSTAIN: None
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20 The Committee did not require a staff report for this agenda item.
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26 Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
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28 Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
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30 The DRC had the following comments:
31 • The Committee discussed whether there was an appropriate offset and differentiation of the
32 proposed addition. The Committee noted the addition was being built at grade and asked for
33 clarification regarding the original footprint of the house and later additions.
34 • The Committee noted that changes at the porch area were not shown on the elevation, but
� 35 there was a concrete slab proposed at the new entrance that was not called out on the
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3� • The Committee discussed whether or not to require kickers at the eaves on the rear elevation.
3g Outriggers with brackets would add more differentiation but were not necessary.
39 • The Committee discussed the proposed siding and noted that it seemed too large.
40 • The chimney would have historically been stone, brick, or stucco instead of the proposed
� 41 siding. Plaster would be preferred over stucco.
42 • The new rear elevation was much improved from the existing.
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I 45 Accessory Unit to the Planning Commission based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff
� 46 Report and with the following conditions:
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48 1. The proposed siding for the new addition is to have no more than a six inch reveal.
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1 2. The new fireplace box is to be finished with exterior plaster.
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3 SECOND: Tim McCormack
4 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
5 NOES: None
6 ABSENT: None
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1 AGENDA ITEMS
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4 (5) DRC No. 4885-16—PrimeVestment Residence
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(, . A proposal to reconstruct a demolished service porch, construct a 15 square foot new
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10 • 447 S. Shaffer Street, Old Towne Historic District
11 • Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, 714-744-7243, mmoshier@cityoforange.org
12 • DRC Action: Final Determination
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15 Marissa Moshier,Historic Preservation Planner,presented a project overview consistent with the Staff
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18 The applicants who were present for this project were Curran O'Connor and John O'Connor.
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20 Public Comments:
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�2 Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
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26 The DRC had the following comments:
2� • The Committee requested an update on the window on the north side of the house. Ms.
! � ��' 28 Moshier responded that the window sash was removed by the previous owner, but the
29 original opening and trim were still intact. The applicant will be replacing a new sash in the
30 existing opening. Staff was handling this repair issue administratively.
31 • The Committee asked staff if there was a typo in the staff report since it mentions details 5
32 and 6 but there is no detail6. Ms. Moshier confirmed that the details in question were ��
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34 • On the garage,the Committee recommended that the fascia board should be proud of the
35 plywood soffit. The bottom of the fascia and the soffit should not be flush with one another.
36 • The barge rafter on the rear and front elevations of the garage should be a continuous piece.
3� The rafter should be ripped and notched to create the finished shape,rather than pieced
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40 Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4885-16, PrimeVestment Residence,
41 based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report and with the following conditions:
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43 1. On Detail2 of Sheet-A-1, the plywood in the garage soffit shall be pushed up a minimum of
4 one half inch so that it is not flush with the bottom of the fascia.
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46 2. The barge rafters on the east and west garage elevations shall be crafted out of a single piece
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1 SECOND: Anne McDermott
2 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
3 NOES: None
4 ABSENT: None
5 ABSTAIN: None
6 MOTION CARRIED.
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1 New A�enda Items:
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�. a_ �.-.� 3 (6) DRC No. 4897-17 McGuire/Moreno Residence
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5 • A proposal for exterior alterations to an existing single family residence. The property is a
6 contributing historic resource within the Old Towne Historic District.
7 • 539/541 E. Washington Avenue
8 • Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, 714-744-7223,kribuffo@cityoforange.org
9 • DRC Action: Final Determination
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12 Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
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14 The applicants who were present for this project were Doug Ely, Connie McGuire, Eduardo Moreno,
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19 Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
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24 • On the existing porch, the Committee asked if the porch was from a later date.
25 • The Committee asked if the porch was a character defining feature and why the windows
2( were not considered a character defining feature.
2'7 • The Committee asked whether the windows had moved since the 1946 remodel.
2g • The Committee inquired if the project included any enclosures for the water tank.
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30 new front porch was unclear. Since the house is labeled a contributing historic resource
31 within the historic district, it did not seem the changes were appropriate.
32 . With regards to the Secretary of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation and the application of
33 the Standards, there needed to be more discussion than just the preferences of the applicant.
34 There needed to be justifications of the proposed changes and how they comply with the
35 Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation.
36 Some members of the Committee noted that when the house was surveyed and identified as
3'7 a contributing historic resource, it had the parch. The 1946 remodel was what was surveyed
3g to determine it was contributing. Other members of the Committee noted that contributors to
39 the historic district were pre-1940.
40 • The question was debated of what was surveyed, what was considered eligible, and what the
� 41 character defining features were that made the home a historic resource.
� 42 • Although the proposed changes were compatible with the style of the home,the Committee
j �3 determined that it was not acceptable to remove character defining features and replace them
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i 45 Altering the porch to something that had never historically existed would not make it mare
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1 • There were opposing views within the Committee with regards to whether the historic
2 reference should have been the 1946 remodeled house or the original 1909 house at
3 the time it was surveyed and put on the National Register.
4 • There was no objection to changing the railing, porch tile, or removal of existing
5 awnings because they postdate the 1946 remodel.
( • The relocation of so many windows could not be supported. Shifting the windows a
� few inches did not seem necessary. If only a couple windows were being moved in
g the back far functional reasons, it could have possibly been acceptable but the
9 applicant was requesting half the windows to be moved.
10 • The water heater being located outside of the house rather than finding a place for it
11 inside seemed out of place.
12 • If removing the tile on the porch(which could be permitted administratively)
13 somehow showed that the steps to the porch had been moved, then the Committee
14 would consider a revised proposal for alterations to the porch.
15 • The porch roof should stay with single post columns.
16 • The Committee discussed that it did not appear that the Committee could approve the
1'7 project as proposed. The Applicant stated they were open to revising the proposal.
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19 Committee member McCormack made a motion to continue DRC No. 4897-17, McGuire/Moreno
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23 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
24 NOES: None
25 ABSENT: None
26 ABSTAIN: None
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` "'° 1 • Request to renovate four existing non-contributing buildings and landscaping
2 • 705,725,805 & 845 W. La Veta Ave.
3 • Staff Contact: Vidal F. Marquez, 714-744-7214, vmarquez@cityoforange.org
4 • DRC Action: Preliminary Review
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7 Vidal F. Marquez, Assistant Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
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9 The applicant who was present for this project was Scott Greenhut.
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13 Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
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17 The DRC had the following comments:
1 g • The Committee requested the applicant explain the Trespa material that would be used for
19 the siding, and if the panels would lay flush to each other?
2p • The Committee asked about the solid metal panels on the stairways and the white window
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�2 • The Committee noted the proposed design materials conveyed a more contemparary
23 aesthetic, and the amount of stucco made the exterior look less tactile than it did currently.
24 • The Committee was not opposed to the use of alternative materials but thought more texture
25 on the building would improve its compatibility with Old Towne.
26 • The green tint color of the windows was discouraged and it was suggested to choose
2'7 something with a greyer tint.
2g • The existing buildings were similar in design but color coded. The Committee wanted to
2g know if the applicant was going to be proposing any differentiation similar to the color
30 coding for each building.
31 • The Committee asked if all the roofs would be replaced, if all of the doors would be white,
32 and to clarify what exact color is the stucco.
33 • Although updating the building was much needed,the colors chosen by the applicant did not
34 seem very compatible, especially the horizontal siding element.
35 • The dark accents were appropriate but they seemed to be placed randomly.
36 • It was suggested that hardscape be used to create a slight differentiation between buildings.
3� • All the proposed hardscape concepts were a circle concept but the applicant could add some
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39 • The Committee wanted a more detailed explanation as to why the mature trees were being
40 removed noting that it can become difficult to maintain the `woodsy feel' for Batavia
� 41 Woods with new smaller trees, and wanted to ensure that the removal of the proposed trees
� 42 was based on safety factors. If there were any way the two trees south of building 725 could
� 3 be saved and worked around,that would be preferred. The Committee could not find
�4 removal of those trees could be justified.
45 � The Committee asked if all the hardscape would have modular paving and
46 commented that the plans should clearly show the placement of concrete and
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1 • Trespa material seemed effective for the application. The main objection was how it
-- 2 was allocated onto the building. It looked as if the various materials were flush to
3 each other where there was a materials change, but it would be more effective to
4 make an offset at that point. Utilizing the existing plane changes was suggested when
5 there is a materials change or a change in the wood grain.
( • The building address size seemed perfect for the project since super graphics were a
'7 70s theme and brought the buildings back to that era.
g • Overall,the stucco was acceptable since most of it faced the property line. As long as
9 the stucco was a fairly non-descript texture it seemed to belong in the palette.
10 • The Committee commented the jasmine family of plants cause a lot of allergies so it
11 was suggested the applicant be conscious of the allergen level of plants given they
12 would be planted in a medical center.
13 • The stairway treatment's solid panels could make them feel claustrophobic and it was
14 suggested to have some that would be open.
15 • The Committee asked if the proposed closed rails were for the balconies or just the
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1� . The placement of the dark vertical siding material seemed random in terms of its
1 g location and the way it was terminated. It was suggested using it as a marker by
19 perhaps putting the directory on that siding.
20 . The material flush with the stucco on page 7 did not look aesthetically pleasing. The
�1 rendering on Page 4 was a better example.
�2 . The Equisetum, "horse tail," invasive plant should be removed from the palette or
23 could be used if in a concrete vault with a drain or in a pot. If planted in the ground it
�4,. 24 would go under the concrete and grow in other places. It was suggested to put it in a
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26 • The Committee requested that lighting and fixture details be provided for review.
2� Preliminary grading should also be provided at the next review.
28 . The Committee requested next time the applicant bring a sample of the stucco, color,
29 awning, and concrete finish to see how the palette works together.
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1 ADJOURNMENT:
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-� �� � - 3 Committee Member Fox made a motion to adjourn to the next regularly scheduled Design Review
4 Committee meeting on August 2, 2017.
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6 SECOND: Tim McCormack
7 AYES: Robert Imboden, Carol Fox, Tim McCormack and Anne McDermott
8 NOES: None
9 ABSENT: None
10 MOTION CARRIED.
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