2017-04-19 DRC Final Minutes CITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES - FINAL
April 19, 2017
Committee Members Present: Robert Imboden- Chair
Carol Fox
Anne McDermott
Committee Member Absent: Tim McCormack
Staff in Attendance: Jennifer Le, Principal Planner
Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner
Vidal Marquez, Assistant Planner
Carly Mallon, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session—5:00
Chair Imboden opened the Administrative Session at 5:02 p.m.
Chair Imboden inquired if there were any changes or comments to the agenda. Jennifer Le, Principal
Planner, indicated there were no changes to the agenda. Ms. Le then explained the purpose for the
agendizing of Shaffer Park in the Committee Business section
Committee Member Fox stated that she was willing to approve the Consent Item DRC No.4907-17 in the
Administrative Session without any discussion necessary. Chair Imboden stated that he had a question
about the signage and would like to proceed with the item as regularly scheduled in the Regular Session.
Chair Imboden inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information. Ms. Le indicated there was no
Policy or Procedural information.
Marissa Moshier, Historic Preservation Planner, provided a status report on rectifying an error with the
Swift and Swift office sign at 1006 E. Chapman Avenue.The Committee briefly discussed the use of non-
traditional sign materials used to imitate a traditional material and recommended that staff consider a
clarifying statement on the allowed materials in the update to the Old Towne Design Standards.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design Review
Committee meeting.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:10 p.m.
Regular Session—5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
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Vice Chair McCormack was absent. All other Committee Members were present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not listed
on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
COMMITTEE BUSINESS:
(1) Shaffer Park Remodel
• The City is updating facilities at Shaffer Park under a design build option. The project involves:
a renovated parking area; a demolished and replaced community building; a demolished and
replaced concession building; a new trash enclosure; a remodeled baseball field, including
lighting; general landscaping; and, other support features shown on the project plans.
• 1930 N. Shaffer Street
• Staff Contact: Chad Ortlieb, 714-744-7237, cortlieb@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Receive and File, Provide Comments
Chad Ortlieb, Senior Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicants who were present for this project were Don Equitz and Steve Kuchenski.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• Inquired whether or not there would be unisex/family restrooms installed on the property.
• Agreed that the theme and aesthetics would fit well within the community.
• Believed the alterations to the parking lot were a huge improvement.
• The landscaping was key to the environment but works well given what was shown.
• The water-conscious landscaping would be good for certain areas of the park that seem to get
very soggy naturally and prevent plants from flourishing.
• Noted that in the original drawings City Council approved that the rhythm of the columns on
the community center building aligned with the rhythm of the windows before but do not seem
to do so given the new plans.
• Concerned that the windows looked almost as if they were running up continuously into the
canopy sitting in front of it so there was no room for flashing.
• Noted that the east elevation window is above the canopy and has a squared off top which
looks quite weak in relationship to the shed and therefore should have a slope.
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• Suggested the gate to the covered patio area be more open,perhaps using the same material as
the adjacent fence if possible to create uniformity, perhaps a perforated metal or something
more durable.
• Did not prefer that the concession stand have one roof line straight while another was notched.
• Brought to attention that the window over the door of the concession stand facing south was
not centered to the door or aligned with the side of the door; and suggested that it be aligned
with either one or the other similar to the way the bathroom is constructed.
• Noted that there was a lot of overhang that seemed to be different/inconsistent without purpose
and should be looked at to avoid things being done randomly.
• Commented on the rigor of the fa�ade; either the fa�ade jogged or canopy jogged and now the
two verticals were not agreeing, and neither of them match the verticals on the outside.
• Columns were poorly placed.
• The path of the trail should run along the side of the building so people are naturally led to the
main entrance with the side doors to the kitchen screened behind landscape, perhaps creating
a berm between the building and parking to allow access to the kitchen door without immediate
visual from the sidewalk.
Receive and file
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CONSENT ITEMS:
(2) DRC No. 4907-17 Chapman University West Palm Sign
• A proposal for a new wall sign on a building in the West Palm Industrial Park. The property
is owned by Chapman University. The building is a non-contributing resource within the Old
Towne Local Historic District.
• 633 W. Palm Avenue
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, 714-744-7223, kribuffo@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
This Consent Item was pulled and moved to Regular Session for further discussion.
Chair Imboden made a motion to move DRC No. 4907-17 off of the Consent Items and onto to the
New Agenda Items.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
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AGENDA ITEMS:
New Agenda Items:
(2) DRC No. 4907-17 Chapman University West Palm Sign
• A proposal for a new wall sign on a building in the West Palm Industrial Park. The property is
owned by Chapman University. The building is a non-contributing resource within the Old
Towne Local Historic District.
• 633 W. Palm Avenue
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, 714-744-7223, kribuffo@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner,presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant who was present for this project was Ken Murai.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC commented on the following:
• The color temperature of lighting on the logo was different than that of the letters giving the
illumination an unintentional/mistaken appearance.
• The applicant stated that this differentiation was not intentional.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4907-17, Chapman University West
Palm Sign, based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report, and with the additional
condition:
1. All LED lights used within this sign shall be the same color temperature.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
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(3) DRC No. 4858-16 - The Collection by Casa Teresa Sign
• A proposal to install a new monument sign for a boutique resale shop. The building is a
contributing resource in the Old Towne Historic District.
• 234 N. Glassell Street, Old Towne Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, 714-744-7243, mmoshier@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Marissa Moshier,Historic Preservation Planner,presented a project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
The applicants who were present for this project were Kelly Hansen and Yvonne Lopez.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• Because the base of the wood posts may be damaged by gardening, suggested extending the
height of the footing and finishing it with a concrete edge so to look like a curb.
• Requested clarification of the lettering, as either was sandblasted or laser cut, as it related to
the font choice.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4858-16, The Collection by Casa Teresa
Sign,based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report,and with the additional conditions:
1. The top of the footing for the posts shall be approximately three inches above grade with a
finished edge like a concrete curb.
2. If the font proves to be too thin for sandblasting, it should be routed into the red color field of
the sign.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
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(4) DRC No. 4896-17 Zae's Boutique Signage
• A proposal to install a new hanging sign and window graphics for a retail boutique. The
building is a contributing resource within the Plaza National Register Historic District.
• 140 S. Glassell Street
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, 714-744-7223,kribuffo@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant who was present for this project was John Myres.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• The color selections and materials thought were very creative and appropriate.
• Noted that the font style and size,in relation to the size of the sign created a crowded experience
and suggested a reduced font size.
• Requested confirmation that the first letter of the name on the sign was purposely meant to be
lower case.
• Alternately, the taper on the flare could be lessened to create more space.
• Noted that the font used for the business hours is different than the sign.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4896-17,Zae's Boutique Signage,based
on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report, and with the additional conditions:
1. The taper on the curved portion of the sign be less dramatic to allow more of the brown field
around the letters in the word"zae's".
2. Option"A" is the operative listed materials.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
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(5) DRC No. 4903-17 McDonald's Remodel
• A proposal to remodel and construct a 2,210 sq. ft. addition to an existing McDonald's drive-
through restaurant.
• 2401 N. Tustin Street
• Staff Contact: Vidal F. Marquez, 714-744-7214, vmarquez@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Preliminary Review
Vidal Marquez, Assistant Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant who was present for this project was Jessica Steiner.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• Clarified that the issue to be discussed was not necessarily with regards to the parking issues
but the landscaping.
• Noted satisfaction with proposed building architecture, material and color
• Wanted to ensure there was a better plant palette with shrubs imagery.
• Noted there was a shortage of trees especially since the selected species of trees were not overly
large canopy trees. This heightens the visual appearance that there are not enough.
• Making the building larger does not seem to align with the landscape requirements and will
also only lessen parking capacity.
• Asked for clarification on whether or not parking and/or landscape were allowed on the
nonexclusive parking easement.
• Suggested getting rid of the easement would alter the property greatly in a positive way.
• Suggested that since the requested addition to the building was almost all for seating purposes
that they create mare outdoar seating with partial covers to be able to get more landscaping
and trees.
• Noted the proposed building size creates self-imposed hardship and deficiencies of minimum
standards seem to be quite substantial.
For preliminary review only- no action required.
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(6) DRC No. 4905-17 Tilted Kilt Restaurant
• A proposal to install a 1,104 sq. ft. louvered patio cover for an existing patio area at the
Tilted Kilt restaurant.
• 1625 W. Katella Avenue
• Staff Contact: Vidal F. Marquez, 714-744-7214, vmarquez@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Vidal Marquez, Assistant Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant who was present for this project was Jim Dinsmore.
Public Comments:
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• Building was one of the front faces of the whole complex which had a lot of varied roof lines
and building materials so the one level canopy looked out of place and too
modern/oversimplified compared to the rest of the building.
• Suggested having two canopy levels that could be built as one to give more depth to the patio
and accentuate the trees which are all viewed from Katella.
• The roof eave appeared very low on the left side of the structure.
• Suggested adding some shapes to the end of the beams to help integrate them such as corbels.
• Rhythm of the columns were not in sync with the rhythm of the pilasters.
• Need to create a more stylistic connection to the trellis on the other side.
• Asked what kind of light was being used for the can lights.
Committee Member McDermott made a motion to continue DRC No.4905-17,Tilted Kilt Restaurant,
to the next DRC meeting on May 3, 2017.
With the following recommendations:
1. Give more depth to the canopy by incorporating different elevations.
2. Add shapes and extension to the end of the beams to integrate with the rest of the building.
SECOND: Carol Fox
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
ADJOURNMENT:
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Committee Member McDermott made a motion to adjourn to the next regularly scheduled Design
Review Committee meeting on May 3, 2017.
SECOND: Carol Fox
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 8:10 p.m.