2017-04-05 DRC Final Minutes CITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES - FINAL
April 5, 2017
Committee Members Present: Robert Imboden- Chair
Tim McCormack
Carol Fox
Anne McDermott
Staff in Attendance: Jennifer Le, Principal Planner
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner
Deb Arnold, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session—5:00
Chair Imboden opened the Administrative Session at 5:08 p.m.
Chair Imboden inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information. Jennifer Le, Principal
Planner, indicated there was no Policy or Procedural information to discuss:
Committee Members reviewed the Design Review Committee minutes for March 15, 2017
Corrections were made and will be updated.
Committee Member McDermott inquired about a project previously before the Committee, Swift &
Swift signage. She inquired if any other Committee Members had looked at the signage. She
requested an update from staff if it was, in fact, complete or if there was still work being done.
However, she noticed it looked a little shiny on the top and was wondering how smooth it really was
because there was a sheen off the top that can be seen when driving by. As she walked by it, she saw
it was sheet metal screwed in all around the top. She did not recall that this was what was approved.
Committee Member Fox noted that she had previously questioned why sheet metal was being used
to try to look like plaster and concrete. Ms. Le will follow up with Marissa Moshier, Historic
Preservation Planner, to determine the level of completeness of the signage and the fasteners.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design Review
Committee meeting.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:32 p.m.
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Regular Session 5:33 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
All Committee Members were present, with one vacancy.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
CONSENT ITEMS:
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 15,2017
Committee Member McDermott made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review
Committee meeting of March 15, 2017, as emended during the discussion at the Administrative
Session.
SECOND: Carol Fox
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS:
Continued Items: None
New A�enda Items:
(2) DRC No. 4843-16 Chapman Apartments (Orange Collection)
• The applicant proposes to construct 277 multiple family residential apartment units with an
internal parking structure and a commercial office parking structure to replace existing
surface parking.
• 3800 W. Chapman Avenue
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714-744-7231, r�arcia(cr�,cit oforan e�or�
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner, presented the updated project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
Peter Quintanilla
Tarek Shaer
Donald D. Lamm, Diamond Star Associates, Inc.were present for the Applicant.
Don Lamm, spoke to the Committee, thanking them for all of their hard work, including Robert
Garcia, Anna Pehoushek, Bill Crouch and Jennifer Le.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the public for comments.
No speakers in support of project
Jocelyn Gubler, Vice President of Development, Outlets of Orange—Opposed
Representing Simon, Jocelyn Gubler is in opposition to the Conditional Use Permit for exceeding
the 45 ft limit of height, and the Administrative Adjustment in regards to the apartment building
complex for drive aisle widths and reduction of parking spaces.
Chairman Imboden expressed concern:
• Regarding the additional height, as the Committee was not specifically aware of the 20 ft
difference
• That the Committee was not aware of the necessity of a Conditional Use Permit
� That the Committee may have provided different direction had they known about the request
for a CUP to exceed the height
Chair Imboden asked for clarification from Staff.
Robert Garcia, stated: "for this project at Chapman, there is a Conditional Use Permit to exceed the
height limit. The base height for this area is 45 ft. when it is adjacent to residential property. There
are residential properties located to the north on Chapman and to the west on Lewis, because of the
proximity to the residential area, they are required to file for a CUP to exceed the height of 45 ft.."
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"There is an Administrative Adjustment request for the parking related to the apartment complex,
they are requesting a 1 ft deviation from the back up or the drive aisle. The code requires 25 feet
they are requesting 24 feet within the apartment structure. They are also requesting a 10%
Administrative Adjustment for reduction in parking to the apartment structure. The apartment
complex is required to have 562 spaces and they are requesting 509 parking spaces."
Staff indicated that the SMART review process vetted out needs for the Conditional Use Permit and
Administrative Adjustments after the preliminary review by the Committee
Chair Imboden closed public comments.
Chair Imboden asked Mr. Quintilla and Mr. Shaer(Applicants)to share with the Committee changes
that had been made to the project since September 7, 2016
• Trash had been moved to the interior of the parking structure
• 3 Transformers had been adjusted to conform with the suggestion from April, 2016
• The office parking structure had an additional level added to it making it 60ft high.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the Committee for discussion
Committee Member Fox inquired if the height was within the height limitations? Mr Shaer stated
that it was higher and would also be included in the Conditional Use Permit request with the
Apartment Complex.
The DRC commented on the following:
• The Committee is here for the purview of the aesthetics.
• Ma�cimum heights are related to the aesthetics.
• Concern about height of the buildings in residential areas.
• Questions the shadows that would be over the side yards and garages of 2 homes.
• Parking has a deeper setback, but to the west there are existing apartments that are not in a
residential zone.
• No material board is present for final review.
• Landscaping needs to be more detailed far final review.
• Pleased with what the Committee had seen before, and still think it is a good project.
• Signage is clear.
• Pleased with Richard Meier concept here.
• Acknowledge that there are additional parking spaces provided for the office building.
• In the area of the Food Trucks, the Fire Department has made some adjustments and limited
public driving, and have a designated fire lane.
• Texture is important in the Meier buildings.
• Without the materials and color board, the project needs to come back.
• Landscape is what will tie the project together, unfortunately we only have a concept today.
Jennifer Le gave a point of clarification "in it is not uncommon to have more of a conceptual
planting plan at this point, I think this is more detailed than a normal conceptual plan we have in
some phases. If the DRC feels that it is important to review a more detailed landscape plan with the
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individual placement of trees the committee can include a condition and ask for that to come back,
but recommend the project move forward based on what you see before you conceptually."
Motion was made by Committee Member McCormack to recommend approval for recommendation
for DRC No. 4843-16 Chapman Apartments (Orange Collection) having considered the
Mitigated Negative Declaration to the Planning Commission based upon the staff report and the
findings with the additional conditions.
1. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with a sample color and materials board for review and approval by
Design Review Committee.
2. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with more detailed landscape plans for review and approval by the
Design Review Committee.
3. Prior to issuance of building permits, the site lighting plan showing both the lighting and
tree locations plus a photometric study showing how the lights are shielded, details of the
shielding come back to the Design Review Committee for review and approval.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: Carol Fox
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(3) DRC No.4844-16 City Parkway West Apartments (Orange Collection)
� The applicant proposes to construct 213 multiple family residential apartment units with an
internal parking structure and a commercial office parking structure to replace existing
surface parking.
• 500 & 600 City Parkway
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714-744-7231, rgarcia@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner,presented the updated project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
Peter Quintanilla,
Tarek Shaer
Donald D. Lamm, Diamond Star Associates, Inc. were present for the Applicant.
Mr. Shaer informed the committee that in further speaking with the Fire Department and Southern
California Edison, changes had been made to the access lanes and transformer positioning.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the public for comments.
No speakers in support of project
Jocelyn Gubler, Vice President of Development, Outlets of Orange—Opposed
Representing Simon, Jocelyn Gubler is in opposition to the Conditional Use Permit whereas
exceeding the 45 ft limit of height and the Administrative Adjustment in regards to the apartment
building complex for drive aisle widths and reduction of parking spaces.
Chair Imboden closed public comments.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Felt the project was beautiful.
• The Committee sees a better relationship between vertical and the horizontal elements.
Makes them connected to each other visually.
• Like the idea of just an overhang and soffits at the large west facing overhang with no beams
breaking it up.
• Any opportunity to screen the transformers with the theme of the architecture
Motion was made by Committee Member Fox to recommend approval to the Planning Commission
for DRC No.4844-16 City Parkway West Apartments (Orange Collection) having considered
the Mitigated Negative Declaration and with conditions and findings of the staff report. With the
additional conditions as follows:
1. To remove the beams under the top level large cantilevers and thicken the edge of the
roof overhang at the architect's discretion.
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2. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with a final color and materials board for review and approval by
Design Review Committee.
3. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with final landscape plans for review and approval by the Design
Review Committee.
4. Prior to issuance of building permits, the site lighting plan showing both the lighting and
tree locations plus a photometric study showing how the lights are shielded, details of the
shielding come back to the Design Review Committee for review and approval
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(4) DRC No. 4845-16 City Plaza Apartments (Orange Collection)
• The applicant proposes to construct 331 multiple family residential apartment units with an
internal parking structure and a commercial office parking structure to replace existing
surface parking.
• 1 City Boulevard West
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714-744-7231, rgarcia@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner, presented the updated project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
Peter Quintanilla,
Tarek Shaer
Donald D. Lamm, Diamond Star Associates, Inc. were present for the Applicant.
Mr. Shaer informed the committee that in further speaking with the Fire Department and Southern
California Edison, changes had been made to the access lanes on both sides of the building so they
had access to fight fires.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the public for comments.
No speakers in support of project
Jocelyn Gubler, Vice President of Development, Outlets of Orange—Opposed
Representing Simon, Jocelyn Gubler is in opposition to the Conditional Use Permit whereas
exceeding the 45 ft limit of height and the Administrative Adjustment in regards to the apartment
building complex for drive aisle widths and reduction of parking spaces.
Chair Imboden closed public comments.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Agreed that this is a large project and feels that the applicant's group has worked hard to
make it a successful project.
• Liked the graphic elements and architectural elements.
• Very simple entrance to the parking structure, much better.
• Plaza added a fire lane due to fire department regulations, but otherwise still the same.
• Love the graphic elements/architectural elements.
• Felt the project was beautiful
• Match tree selection with Public Works for deciduous tree. Evergreen is a nice consistent
screening street tree. See if the Ficus Flora can stand up to the parking structure.
• Italian Stone Pines in there would be awesome, an example can be found at Cal State
Fullerton, it lines the northeast on-ramp from Yorba Linda Blvd all the way along the
freeway.
• Would like to see more detail regarding the landscape on top of the parking structure
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Motion was made by Committee Member Fox to recommend DRC No. 4845-16 City Plaza
Apartments (Orange Collection) having considered the Mitigated Negative Declaration to the
Planning Commission based on the staff report and the findings with the additional conditions as
well the modification per staff.
5. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with a final color and materials board for review and approval by
Design Review Committee.
6. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with final landscape plans for review and approval by the Design
Review Committee.
7. Prior to issuance of building permits, the site lighting plan showing both the lighting and
tree locations plus a photometric study showing how the lights are shielded, details, of the
shielding come back to the Design Review Committee for review and approval
SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(5) DRC No. 4846-16 City Plaza Hotel(Orange Collection)
• The applicant proposes to construct a 6-story 165-room hotel with surface parking.
• 1 City Boulevard West
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714-744-7231, rgarcia@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner, presented the updated project overview consistent with the Staff
Report.
Peter Quintanilla,
Tarek Shaer
Donald D. Lamm, Diamond Star Associates, Inc. were present for the Applicant.
Mr. Shaer informed the committee that in further speaking with the Fire Department and Southern
California Edison, changes had been made to the access lanes and transformer positioning.
Chair Imboden opened the item to the public for comments.
No speakers in support of project
Jocelyn Gubler, Vice President of Development, Outlets of Orange—Opposed
Representing Simon is in opposition to the Conditional Use Permit whereas exceeding the 45 ft limit
of height and the Administrative Adjustment in regards to the apartment building complex for drive
aisle widths and reduction of parking spaces.
Chair Imboden closed public comments.
Committee discussion agreed that this is a large project and feels that the applicant's group has
worked hard to present a very thoroughly evolved package.
Motion was made by Committee Member Fox to recommend DRC No. 4846-16 City Plaza Hotel
(Orange Collection) having considered the Mitigated Negative Declaration to the Planning
Commission based on the staff report and the findings with the additional conditions as well the
modification per staff.
8. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with a final color and materials board for review and approval by
Design Review Committee.
9. Prior to the issuance of building permits, the applicant shall return before the Design
Review Committee with final landscape plans for review and approval by the Design
Review Committee.
10. Prior to issuance of building permits, the site lighting plan showing both the lighting and
tree locations plus a photometric study showing how the lights are shielded, details, of the
shielding come back to the Design Review Committee for review and approval
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SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Committee Member Carol Fox made a motion to adjourn to the next Design Review Committee
meeting on Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 5:00 p.m.
SECOND: Ann McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 8:SOp.m.