2016-07-20 DRC Final Minutes CITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES —FINAL
July 20, 2016
Committee Members Present: Carol Fox - Chair
Robert Imboden
Tim McCormack
Anne McDermott
Committee Member Absent: Craig Wheeler—Vice Chair
Staff in Attendance: Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner-Historic Preservation
Sharon Penttila, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session—5:00
Chair Fox opened the Administrative Session at 5:19 p.m.
Committee Member McCormack was not present for the Administrative Session.
Chair Fox inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information. Marissa Moshier, Associate
Planner-Historic Preservation, indicated there was no Policy or Procedural information.
Committee Members reviewed the Design Review Committee minutes for July 6, 2016.
Committee Member Imboden made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design
Review Committee meeting.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler and Tim McCormack
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:24 p.m.
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Regular Session—5:34 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Vice Chair Wheeler was absent. All other Committee Members were present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
CONSENT ITEMS:
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: July 6,2016
Committee Member McDermott made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review
Committee meeting of July 6, 2016 as emended during the discussion at the Administrative Session.
SECOND: Robert Imboden
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS
Continued Item:
(2) DRC No. 4803-15 Urth Caffe
• A proposal to revise a previously approved plan to rehabilitate a historic building in the Plaza
Historic District for use as a restaurant. These alterations are based on additional information
on the historic building uncovered during construction.
• 100 W. Chapman Avenue, Plaza Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, 714-744-7243, mmoshier@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner-Historic Preservation, presented a project overview consistent
with the Staff Report.
The applicants who were present for this project were Walter Jones, Stephen Jones, and Dick Gee.
Public Comments:
Chair Fox opened the item to the Public for comments. Jeff Frankel, Old Towne Preservation
Association, indicated support for the project.
Chair Fox opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
Architecture
. Asked for clarification since there were 3 versions of the transom on the Chapman elevation
shown on the historic photos. Mr. Gee explained that at some point when the building was
added onto the corner store front was demolished and a storefront was built to cover the
metal posts. They are restoring the posts and moving the storefront back to the earliest period
of the building.
• Concerned the project was mixing time periods. Ms. Moshier explained that the storefront
changed plane and the applicant was proposing to uncover the round columns and change the
plane of the storefront back.
. Liked the restoration of the original portion of the building to its original look and restoring
the added portion of the building to its original look.
• Unclear about the glass in the niches on the alley because it was showing glass but it says it
was proposed as brick. Ms. Moshier clarified which openings were changing.
• Discussed placing 2 plaques on the building to clarify time periods of construction.
. Questioned the 2 existing openings on the east elevation because they were not there before.
Ms. Moshier explained that Urth Caffe needed more light in the dining room.
. Wanted to know the extent of the changes under review. Ms. Moshier stated it was the entire
storefront on Chapman, the southeast corner on the ground floor, the openings on the alley,
and the paint color on the alley.
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• Questioned how the single hung windows on the Chapman elevation would operate and the
screens that were shown on the plans. Mr. Gee clarified there would be no screens.
• Asked if the applicant anticipated any problems operating the large window. Mr. Gee
discussed the challenge of the large operable window and a similar project Spectra had
worked on in downtown Los Angeles.
• Asked how the windows would be dealt with when they are open.
• Questioned what the infill brick was going to be on the east and south elevations. Mr. Gee
said it would be salvaged brick that would match as close as possible and they would be full
bricks.
• Asked what was behind the frosted glass on the alley elevation. Ms. Moshier said there are
walls in some cases, the bathroom, and the kitchen.
• Concerned with the paint color behind the frosted glass and preferred a dark color.
• Concerned with the plaster finish wrapping around the edge of the openings on the alley.
• Unclear about the treatment of the infilled door on the alley. Stephen Jones said they need
one door that works so the entire opening, except for the single door, was proposed to be
flushed out with plaster.
• Suggested maintaining the form of the original opening by recessing the infill by an inch.
• Asked if the string lights would be bolted to the wall.
• Curious about the shape of the planters. Stephen Jones explained there is a well in front of
each arch. The wells are currently square but they wanted a different shape to accommodate
more seating.
• Concerned that the ends of the planters would be fresh cuts on old brick. Mr. Gee stated the
brick ends can be treated so they do not look like a fresh new brick.
• Planter suggestions included putting the brick on end, mitering the bricks, making them
smaller and squared up, or casting the planters in concrete.
• Noted the star jasmine did not need a lot of space in the planters to survive.
Paint color on south allev elevation
• Committee preferred Majolica Earthenware (453).
Stephen Jones asked the Committee about future signage on the building.
Committee Member Imboden made a motion to approve DRC No. 4803-15, Urth Caffe, based on the
findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report with the following conditions:
1. The opening that is proposed to be infilled in the alley toward the rear of the building shall
maintain a minimum 1" recess from the facade.
2. The back painting of the proposed opaque glass shall be done in a dark grey tone.
3. The grade planters at the alley shall be squared off parallel with the fa�ade of the building
with an approximate 12" interior dimension.
4. Any anchor attachments to the building or neighboring properties using anchorage/bolts shall
be done through the mortar joint so as not to damage the masonry.
5. The Committee encourages, if a heritage plaque is added to the building, that the plaque
discuss the developmental history of the building.
6. The paint color for the alley shall be Dunn Edwards Majolica Earthenware (453).
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SECOND: Tim McCormack
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Committee Member McCormack made a motion to adjourn to the next Design Review Committee
meeting on Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 5:00 p.m.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 7:04 p.m.