2015-11-18 DRC Final MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES - FINAL
Committee Members Present: Tim McCormack - Chair
Carol Fox — Vice Chair
Robert Imboden
Anne McDermott
Craig Wheeler
November 18, 2015
Staff in Attendance: Robert Garcia, Senior Planner
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner- Historic Preservation
Sharon Penttila, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session — 5:00
Chair McCormack opened the Administrative Session at 5:05 p.m.
Chair McCormack inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information. Robert Garcia,
Senior Planner, indicated there was no Policy or Procedural information.
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner- Historic Preservation, asked the Committee if they had any
feedback regarding the subject matter for the upcoming study sessions.
Committee Members reviewed the Design Review Committee minutes for November 4, 2015.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design Review
Committee meeting.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:20 p.m.
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Regular Session — 5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
All Committee Members were present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
CONSENT ITEMS
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: November 4, 2015
Committee Member McDermott made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review
Committee meeting of November 4, 2015 as emended during the discussion at the Administrative
Session.
SECOND: Carol Fox
AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Robert Imboden
Note: Committee Member Wheeler had recused himself from two of the items heard at the
November 4, 2015 meeting.
MOTION CARRIED.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to reorder the agenda items reviewing the Victory Diner
project first followed by The Wall Signage.
SECOND: Robert Imboden
AYES: Carol Fox, Tim McCormack, Robert Imboden, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS
New Agenda Items:
3) DRC No. 4813 -15 -Victory Diner
• 388 S. Main Street
• The applicant is proposing to remodel an existing stand -alone building within an existing
strip center.
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714 - 744 -7231, rgarcia@cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Preliminary Review
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicants who were present for this project were Jesse Huizar and Demitris Hakakas.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC had the following comments:
• Questioned the architectural style of the construction being done behind the applicant's
building.
• Noted there were no notes on the elevations.
• Questioned if the drive -thru lane would remain.
• Questioned if the applicant expected any pedestrians to use the big south entryway.
• Wanted the monument sign drawn on the drawing.
• Asked if it was a good idea to have the entrance on the south elevation larger than the north
elevation.
• Questioned if it was a good idea for pedestrians to cross the drive -thru lane.
• Suggested the logo be placed on the slanted wall on the east elevation.
• Suggested choosing a terracotta color like the rest of the shopping center to be more
compatible.
• Noted it was hard to reconcile the floor plan and the elevations in some areas making the
drawings uncoordinated.
• Noted that there was a size discrepancy with the gap between the building and the column on
the south and the north side.
• The design seemed unplanned and busy.
• Wanted more detail on the recessed panels including the scale and material. Concerned with
the use of metal panels.
• Noted the palette being proposed could work together but did not work well with the brick.
• Suggested using a continuous awning on the east side and getting rid of the recessed panels.
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• Concerned with the drive -thru and the pedestrian crossing. Mr. Garcia stated given the
location of the structure there was not a better way to connect to the street.
• Suggested using enhanced pavement on the drive -thru pedestrian crossing and create a zone
with a speed bump for the cars.
• Questioned the location of the door on the south elevation and suggested using something
like a railing or short wall to direct people away from the pickup window and asked the
applicant to come up with a better plan.
• Noted the importance of a lighting plan. Suggested looking at lighting now and incorporate
it with the building.
• Things that the DRC would need to see in future submittals were the roof plan, existing floor
plan, information on the lighting, pedestrian link to the corner, and handicap access.
• Suggested removing the panels and creating more bands with ridges.
Committee Member Wheeler summarized the discussion as follows:
• Try to match the proposed building with the buildings across the street and with the new
medical center.
• There were no notes on the elevations
• Asked if the drive -thru was to remain
• Was the south door really used by the patrons?
• Put signage on the south wall which would have better visual access for people coming up
Main Street.
• Design was rather jumpy and should be coordinated more.
• Discrepancies between the plans and the elevations.
• Questioned the materials to be used in the recessed areas.
• Color palettes may not work together with the brick.
• Use of a different awning treatment, suggesting a continuous awning.
• Use horizontal bands to reflect the diner style.
• Enhance the crosswalk and ADA access. Suggested that access may work best on the
diagonal from the street corner directly toward the building and incorporate a railing or low
wall on the south tower element.
• Provide a roof, lighting, and existing floor plan on the next submittal.
• Get ADA access on the southeast corner and look at the landscaping treatment.
• Look at the treatment which exists at the entrance of St. Joseph's Hospital.
• Create a speed bump in the drive -thru lane where pedestrians cross.
For Preliminary Review only — no action required.
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(2) DRC No. 4779 -14 — The Wall Signage
• 80 Plaza Square, Plaza Historic District
• A proposal to install signage and awnings at a new restaurant at 80 Plaza Square.
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, 714 - 744 -7243, mmoshier @cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Committee Member Wheeler recused himself due to the proximity to his office and left the room.
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner - Historic Preservation, presented a project overview consistent
with the Staff Report. Staff was seeking a final determination from the DRC regarding the signage,
lighting, and awnings and a recommendation to the Community Development Director on the
compatibility of the outdoor dining furniture with the Plaza Historic District.
The applicant who was present for this project was Zac Henson.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Noted this is a predominant corner in Old Towne Orange and asked the applicant to share the
concept of the design and how it is seen in Old Towne. Mr. Henson said they have worked
with OTPA and went with the orange color to celebrate the City of Orange and wanted to
provide a street fair feel.
Planters and Plant Material
• Wanted to see the material and texture of the planters.
• Suggested making some of the planters smooth with simpler lines and an alternate color.
• Liked the different heights of the planters but it was being distracted by the busyness.
• Thought taking the texture off the planter would make it look too smooth and plastic.
• Asked what the dimension from the metal to the planter was.
• Suggested taking the reveals off the vertical planters and wanted the planters to be durable.
• Suggested making the planters a neutral color because they are more earthbound.
• Liked the different designs of the planters but wanted the frame work to be simplified.
• Suggested planters using acrylic, lightweight concrete fiberglass, or plastic that looks like
terracotta.
• Would want a simpler planter frame design and have the planters at various heights at the
bottom but did not want all the planters to look the same.
• Concerned with the fragility of the succulents being proposed and suggested making certain
planters higher to make it more interesting.
• Wanted plants used that could sustain frequent movement.
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• Suggested using one plant type in the planters such as a 12" grass because it travels well and
it separates the guests from the street.
• Suggested using a different type of grass at the entrance, and using self - watering and
terracotta pots.
Color scheme
• Did not see a strong connection between context and what was being proposed.
• Concerned with the amount of orange color being proposed and the number of different
blues.
• Found the navy blue awning incompatible with this context.
• Preferred a black awning and suggested making the awning black instead of navy.
• Concerned with the three colors on the table.
• Concerned that all the orange color was not applied in a hierarchical way.
Awning
• Concerned with the lettering on the awning because the lines ( "pipes ") dividing the words
looked like an "I" and suggested breaking the words up with dots or different size pipes.
Furniture
• Concerned with moving the umbrellas, table and chairs, and rolling planters every day and
asked if the gate was removable.
• Asked if it rained would the furniture still be brought out, and if not, it would not be a
sustainable feature.
• Suggested simplifying the table tops with a single tone such as zinc.
• If the applicant did go with zinc tables, it was noted they do get a patina with age and time
and they may want the orange to be crisp and clean as a contrast to it.
• A Committee Member liked the layout, placement of things, upgrade of outdoor furniture
compared to other businesses, was fine with the darker blue awning noting black would work
too, but had an issue with the fussiness of the planters with the score lines and suggested
making some of them gray. Thought the street furniture should be vibrant.
• Did not want a plastic enclosure and wanted pop -up tents to be prohibited.
• Asked what the common thread was in terms of color, the plants and the planters.
Ms. Moshier explained that if the Committee was comfortable, staff would appreciate some direction
and recommendations on the furniture regarding texture and color and staff would implement those
recommendations. Committee Member Imboden wanted it to come back to the DRC after it had
been further developed.
The Committee thought the signage and lighting choices were fine as submitted.
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Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4779 -14, The Wall Signage, for
signage and lighting based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report, and with the
additional condition:
1. The awnings shall be changed from navy blue to black.
With the following recommendations:
1. The applicant might study the relationship of the pipe height to the text height and spacing on
the "Eat, Pour, Love" lettering on the awning.
2. Furnishings and the plant material in the Plaza come back to the DRC prior to the CDD
Director making a final determination and prior to the issuance of the outdoor dining permit.
3. Consider the recommendations made during the meeting regarding the furnishings and plant
material.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RECUSED: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Committee Member McDermott made a motion to adjourn to the next regularly scheduled Design
Review Committee meeting on December 2, 2015.
SECOND: Robert Imboden
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 7:39 p.m.