2015-06-17 DRC Final MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES -FINAL
Committee Members Present Tim McCormack - Chair
Carol Fox Vice Chair
Robert Imboden
Anne McDermott
Craig Wheeler
June 17, 2015
Staff in Attendance_ Jennifer Le, Acting Principal Planner
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner
Marisa Moshier, Associate Planner - Historic Preservation
Sharon Penttila, Recording Secretary
Administrative Session — 5:00
Chair McCormack opened the Administrative Session at 5:01 p.m
Chair McCormack inquired if there was any Policy or Procedural information_ Jeruiifer Le, Acting
Principal Planner, first introduced the new Community Development Director, Bill Crouch. Mr_
Crouch introduced himself and described his background_
Marisa Moshier, Associate Planner— Historic Preservation, addressed some of the Committee's
questions and comments from previous meetings about the treatment of historic materials during
construction and as the project moves through the design review process. Staff is thinking about
formalizing the condition. assessment process before the project comes to the DRC, specifically for
those more unusual kinds of historic features or specifically deteriorated historic features that might
require more study before it can be determined what the appropriate path would be to treat those
materials. This information would be requested of applicants as part of the Land Use Project
Application. Staff would ask for a written report with photographs from a contractor or consultant
who is experienced with working with that particular material and that would be brought before the
DRC as an attachment to the staff report_ Ms_ Moshier also started a discussion of conditions of
approval specifically related to the treatment o£ historic materials and features_ A handout was
distributed to the Committee and Ms_ Moshier described the different types of conditions and
formats that staff is requesting the DR-C' consider using when conditioning projects involving historic
materials and features_
The DRC was supportive of staff's suggestions_ Committee Member Imboden stated the more
information the Committee can get from applicants to think about these things before they come to a
DRC meeting would be a big help as well as having a possible solution_ He also felt it would be
helpful if pictures could be provided of where additions are made to structures so the Committee
could make an appropriate determination as to their historic status_
Committee Members reviewed the Design Review Committee minutes for June 3, 2015.
Committee Member Wheeler announced he would be recusing himself from the first and fourth item
on the agenda tonight_
Committee Member Fox stated she would not be attending the DRC meeting on July 15'
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Committee Member Fox made a motion to close the Administrative Session of the Design Review
Committee meeting.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
MOTION CARRIED.
Administrative Session adjourned at 5:22 p.m.
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Regular Session — 5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
All Committee Members were present.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION:
Opportunity for members of the public to address the Design Review Committee on matters not
listed on the Agenda.
There were no speakers.
CONSENT ITEMS
(1) APPROVAL OF MINUTES: June 3, 2015
Committee Member Wheeler made a motion to approve the minutes from the Design Review
Committee meetings of June 3, 2015 as emended during the discussion at the Administrative
Session.
SECOND: Carol Fox
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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AGENDA ITEMS
New Am& Item:
(2) DRC No. 4791 -15 — Blaze Pizza
• A request for modification of the previous DRC approval to allow for a different paint color
on the canopy on the front elevation of the building.
• 101 S. Glassell Street, Plaza Historic District
• Staff Contact: Kelly Ribuffo, (714) 744 -7223, kribuffo @cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Committee Member Wheeler recused himself due to the proximity to his office and left the room.
Kelly Ribuffo, Associate Planner, noted this item was before the Committee at a previous meeting
and the applicant is now asking for some modifications to the previous conditions related to the
exterior paint color of the building and review of a new exterior fixture at the main entrance. Staff is
not recommending approval of the new light fixture and asked the Committee for suggestions.
The applicant who was present for this project was Reza Medali and he explained the rationale
behind the new light fixture.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. Jeff Frankel, address on file, stated
he had met with the applicant and was happy about the glass restoration, the color palette and sign
compromise but didn't feel the light fixture was a good fit with the style of the building.
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Frustrated with the original review because the color drawing provided was not accurate or
was missing information related to the color palette and architectural details, including the
vertical middle pilaster and aluminum storefront colors.
• Concerned with the current paint colors
• Canopy should not be mink brown or plantation brown
• Too much competing and contrasting colors with too much white paint
• Discussed the body color and going back to the originally approved palette
The Committee differed in opinion about the color of the pilaster but agreed the canopy should be
painted black.
The DRC asked the applicant to implement what was previously approved and found three areas that
were not clear or had been changed from the original proposal. These included the oyster bar paint
color over Two's Company up to the cornice, the plantation brown on the vertical pilaster detail
between the two upper windows on the corner, and painting the canopy black.
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The Committee agreed with staff that the industrial look of the light fixture was not appropriate. It
was felt it would be better if it was understated and small. It was suggested it be an art deco fixture,
or simple, modern, discreet and painted black to disappear. Ms. Ribuffo understood the DRC
recommendations on the appropriate fixture and she will be able to go over the options with the
applicant taking into consideration Fire and Police illumination needs.
Committee Member Imboden made a motion to approve DRC No. 4791 -15, Blaze Pizza, subject to
the findings and conditions included in the staff report in that they can be met with the inclusion of
the following conditions created by this Committee:
1. The uppermost blank frieze located above the Two's Company Cafe shall be painted oyster
bar.
2. The central vertical pilaster located on the corner of the building shall be painted plantation
brown.
3. The steel canopy shall be painted black to match the store front.
4. The existing exterior light fixture shall be replaced with one more contemporary in nature
which is minimal in design and is as discreet as possible or one that is in an art deco inspired
style. The fixture is to be submitted to staff for review and approval.
SECOND: Anne McDermott
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
RECUSED: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
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(3) DRC No. 4800 -15 — Roth Staffing
• Fagade remodel and mezzanine expansion of a former restaurant into an office building.
• 450 N. State College Blvd
• Staff Contact: Robert Garcia, 714 - 744 -7231 rgarcia @cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Final Determination
Robert Garcia, Senior Planner, presented a project overview consistent with the Staff Report.
The applicant who was present for this project was Mike Snyder, architect. He was available to
answer questions from the Committee.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. There were none.
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Lacking detail on some of the proposed materials and colors on the drawings including:
• Type of wood on the material board versus what will actually be used
• Concealment of the free standing heavy timber connections
• How the wood on fagade would be attached
• How the wrapping of the lintels would be attached
• Shiplap cedar may not look the same as what is shown on drawings
• Window heads on the building
• Particular colors on the building
• Size of the steel pipe on canopy
• Horizontal members on the roof plan
• Awning material and if it is retractable
• Concern with the level of attention to landscaping and the use of broom finish concrete.
Paving and landscaping should be compatible with the new design.
Committee Member Fox made a motion to approve DRC No. 4800 -15, Roth Staffing, based on the
findings and conditions listed in the Staff Report and with the additional conditions:
1. Wood siding shall ultimately result in either a shiplap or tongue and groove surface that has
one consistent vertical plane and no grooves between the boards.
2. The colors of the building shall match the colors presented on the color board.
3. Bifurcate the landscape and paving plan so that the DRC can see that prior to the Certificate
of Occupancy.
4. If the materials are to be changed, a new color /material board shall be bought back to the
DRC.
5. Lintels shall be clad in solid members of stained wood to avoid joints in the vertical face.
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And the following recommendations when the project returns:
1. The landscape paving shall all be redone in the front entry court or at a minimum, enough
paving be redone so there is one clean line with a transition between the new and the old.
2. Plant material is clearly called out as to what is being proposed and bring photos of the
existing landscape that is remaining so the DRC can understand the context.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(4) DRC No. 4794 -15 — Schaal Residence
• A proposal to construct an accessory second unit and to relocate a historic garage on property
containing a historic single family residence in the Old Towne Historic District.
• 311 N. Cambridge Street, Old Towne Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, (714) 744 -7243, mmoshier @cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Recommendation to Planning Commission
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner — Historic Preservation, presented a project overview consistent
with the Staff Report.
The applicants present for this project were Jon Califf and John Sarti who were available to answer
questions.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. Jeff Frankel, Old Towne
Preservation Association, address on file, stated there has been issues with relocating structures in
the past and he felt it might be time to reassess whether relocation causes a cumulative impact to the
historic district. He wanted to be sure staff encouraged in -kind material be used such as wood
siding. He understands now that relocation is considered demolition. He felt the proposed project
looked well - proportioned and had a low FAR. He thought the existing structure needs some
attention as well.
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The DRC asked the Applicants questions about the plans related to the trash cans on the drawings,
the relocation of the garage in relation to the height and property line setback, and the number of
required parking spaces.
The DRC commented on the following:
• Commended the overall design
• Felt the relocation of the structure is supported by the Secretary of the Interior's Standards
• The new structure brings viability to the site
• Would have liked less concrete, especially on the patio at the rear of the property
• Suggested looking at lowering the height of the brick piers on the front porch of the rear unit
• Saw the benefit of keeping the integrity of the existing residence and just relocating the
garage on an underutilized lot
• Recommended making the window trim narrower from 5" to 3.5" or lowering the window
sill
• Commented that the existing building could use some attention
• Recommended painting the corner boards on the new structure to match siding
• Gave suggestions on the design of the driveway /parking spaces
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Committee Member Imboden made a motion to recommend approval to the Planning Commission
for DRC No. 4794 -15, Schaal Residence, based on the findings and conditions listed in the Staff
Report and with the additional recommendations:
1. Consider elimination of one paved parking space not required by code and a substitution of
the paved patio with an alternative material so it would reduce the amount of paved surface.
2. Reconsider the proposed proportions of the porch piers and columns of the new unit to
ultimately reduce the amount of brick but to remain distinct from the historic resource.
3. Use 4x window trim on the new unit.
4. Paint corner boards to match color of the siding on the new unit.
SECOND: Craig Wheeler
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, Anne McDermott, and Craig Wheeler
NOES: None
MOTION CARRIED.
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(5) DRC No. 4803 -15 — Urth Caffe
• A proposal to rehabilitate a historic building in the Plaza Historic District.
• 100 W. Chapman Avenue, Plaza Historic District
• Staff Contact: Marissa Moshier, (714) 744 -7243, mmoshier @cityoforange.org
• DRC Action: Preliminary Review
Committee Member Wheeler recused himself due to the proximity to his office and left the room.
Marissa Moshier, Associate Planner— Historic Preservation, presented a project overview consistent
with the Staff Report. She discussed the background of the construction history of the building.
Staff was asking the DRC for feedback on the proposed rehabilitation project.
The applicants who were present for this project were Stephen Jones, Reuben Lombardo, Jonathan
Burton, and Walter Jones.
Stephen Jones, SF Jones Architects, explained that the main thing they want to do is to restore the
building as depicted in old photographs. He stated the challenge was the unreinforced brick that had
no tie back to the structure. They are proposing to build a new skeleton inside the existing historic
brick skin. There was concern about seeing some of the new structure through the windows but they
are trying to reduce the visibility of those structures. He described the proposed ground and second
floor plans, the exterior Urth Cafe signs, and the outside seating area.
Reuben Lombardo, Senior Estimator with Spectra Company, described the results of their structural
investigations. They found the historic bricks under the plaster on the east elevation that have not
been scored, the location of historic cast iron storefront columns, the location of brick above the
transom windows, and soon they hope to start interior demolition to confirm the existence and
location of all the storefront columns.
Jonathan Burton, Project Manager with SF Jones Architects, indicated the next step, with the
assistance of the structural engineer, is to open the drop ceiling and research the interior structural
system. He explained their approach to using the existing brick and cast iron columns. He discussed
the two options for supporting the columns and brick by either attaching a steel plate intermittently
between the columns or using new interior steel structure and cantilevering an L- bracket under a
steel plate to support the weight of the second floor.
Walter Jones, Director of Instruction with Urth Caffe, stated the owners are in love with this project
and they have 5 other stores of which 3 are in historic buildings. They want to restore this building
as much as they can to what it used to be.
Public Comments
Chair McCormack opened the item to the Public for comments. Jeff Frankel, Old Towne
Preservation Association, address on file, indicated that OTPA had met with the owners and was
excited about the rehabilitation of the building.
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Chair McCormack opened the item to the Committee for discussion.
The Committee commented on the following:
DRC felt they are moving in the right direction and commended the applicant's team.
Questioned the following:
• Whether there is a gap between this building and Rod's Liquors to the west as shown
in the drawings
• What is proposed for the lintel and corbel above the new storefronts
• How the proposed L- bracket structural solution would work with the historic
storefront columns
• How the windows at the storefronts would operate
• Whether the upstairs brick plane is set back from the ground floor
• How the bricks on the alley elevation are treated
• Encouraged retaining the existing historic storefront columns with as few modifications as
possible
• Encouraged a solution to the structural system that provides the structure that is needed and is as
reversible as possible, depending on the presence of the historic capitals on the storefront
columns.
• Surprised there are square columns along with the round ones in the historic storefronts
• Concerned with the consistency of the historic brick finish between the ground and upper stories
and wanted confirmation if the bricks are the same. The upper floor may have been painted at the
time of its construction to conceal two different brick finishes
• Wanted to know if the City is doing any photo documentation of the process and how it would be
a great video for the Orange Public Library. Suggested Chapman University and /or Old Towne
Preservation Association become involved in documenting the process.
• Suggested in the areas where they are planning to match the new openings to the old that they
don't use bricks that pretend to be old. Consider a contrasting materials such as cast stone or
concrete in these areas to distinguish the old from the new.
• Recommended working with staff on additional investigation of elements not yet uncovered
• Strongly in favor of using the tube steel and bracket solution to the structural system, as opposed
to welding directly onto the historic storefront columns
• Discussed the visibility of some of the new structural columns which are in front of the windows
• Curious about the historic sign above the cornice
• Concerned with maintaining the planters on the second floor on the south side. Recommended
eliminating the window boxes
• Concerned with the wires and other utility clutter in the alley and what was proposed to mask it
• Concerned with the current drainage pattern in the alley and discussed possible solutions to
collect water
• Noted using the alley as a dining area is a good alternative to seating which encroaches onto the
public right -of -way
• Discussed the lighting for the building. Objected to the proposed fixtures on the alley elevation.
Suggested using string lights in the outside dining area.
• Suggested using plantings to frame the entrance from the alley into the restaurant, possibly with
two Tiny Tower cypress trees.
For preliminary review only — no action is required
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ADJOURNMENT:
Committee Member Fox made a motion to adjourn to the next regularly scheduled Design Review
Committee meeting on July 1, 2015.
SECOND: Robert Imoden
AYES: Carol Fox, Robert Imboden, Tim McCormack, and Anne McDermott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Craig Wheeler
MOTION CARRIED.
Meeting adjourned at 9:02 p.m.