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TO: City Traffic Commission
THRU: Larry Tay, City Traffic Engineer
FROM: Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst
REVIEW: City Traffic Engineer C�
1 . SUBJECT
Request to remove the red curb from the outside of the turn at Palmyra Avenue and
Flower Street.
2. SUMMARY
This request is to provide additional on street parking for the residents of the area.
3. RECOMMENDED ACTION
Approve the removal of 132 ft. of red curb on the outside of the Palmyra Ave./ Flower St.
turn provided there are no strong objections from the adjacent apartments.
4. FISCAL IMPACT
The total expenditure for the project is $ 500 and will be funded in Minor Traffic Control
Devices (16302) through Traffic Improvement Measure M2 (263).
5. STRATEGIC PLAN GOALS
Goal 1: Provide for a safe community
b. Provide and maintain infrastructure necessary to ensure the safety of the public.
6. DISCUSSION AND BACKGROUND
The basis for this request from Mr. Subrebost is to provide additional on street parking
spaces for the residents living in the subject area. The existing red curb was approved by
the Traffic Commission on May 9, 1984 as a Consent Calendar Item.
Existinq Conditions
Currently there is approximately 152 ft. of red curb on the outside of the Palmyra Ave.-
Flower St. Turn and 100 ft. on the inside. The lane width on the outside of the turn is 54
ft. at the apex of the Turn or "knuckle" and only 18 ft. wide on the inside of the turn. This
is a high density residential area, on street parking in the subject area is in high demand.
Most of the red curb could be removed from the outside portion of the turn without
ITEM 1 � 11/13/2019
negatively impacting traffic safety. This would provide an additional five to six parallel
parking spaces. Staff does not support the removal of red curb from the inside of the turn
because the narrower lane width could increase the potential for side swipe accidents.
Recommendation
Removing the red curb from the outside of the Palmyra Ave. — Flower St. turn would free
up additional parking spaces. This will not solve the parking issues in the subject area but
the additional parking spaces may help. Some red curb should remain on the west side
of the driveway serving the apartments at 2151 W. Palmyra Ave. for sight distance.
Staff therefore recommends that the Traffic Commission approve the removal of 137 ft.
of red curb from the outside of the turn leaving 15 ft. of red curb adjacent to the driveway
at 2151 W. Palmyra Avenue.
The proponent as well as the residents living within 300 ft. of the subject area were notified
of the Traffic Commission Meeting.
7. ATTACHMENTS
• Letter of request.
• Area Map
• Site Sketch
• May 9, 1984 CTC agenda.
ITEM 1 2 11/13/2019
Larry Tay
City Traffic Engineer
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On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:17 PM, George Lopez Subrebost<subrebostnae,�mail.com> wrote:
Hi City of Orange:
I have not heard back regarding the topic below. Perhaps this email
George
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From: George Lopez Subrebost<subrebostna,�mail.com>
Date: Thu,Jul 18, 2019 at 9:29 AM
Subject: Changing red colored curb to allow for parking
To: <pwinfo(�a,cityoforan e.org>
City of Orange,
West Palmyra Ave. goes from East-West to North-South before hitting S. Flower St. in the
western part of the City of Orange. There is a large recessed curb that is painted red that doesn't
allow parking. Over the last 30 years we have been in Orange, street parking has become more
and more difficult to find. Especially in these high density areas with apartments, townhomes,
and condominiums as people have gotten more cars and have used their garages for other
purposes.
Can this recessed curb painted red be changed to allow for more street parking? Do I need to
file a petition with the City Council?
Thank you,
George Subrebost
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From: George Lopez Subrebost <subrebost@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 922 AM
To: Dave Allenbach
Cc: Larry Tay
Subject: Re: Removal of red curb at Palmyra Ave.and Flower St.
Hi Dave.
Thank you for the response. Here is my mailing address:
George Subrebost
2100 W. Palmyra Ave. Unit#26
Orange, CA 92868-3740
Regards,
George
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:23 PM Dave Allenbach �dallenbach(�a,cit o�foran e.org>wrote:
Hello Mr. Subrebost,
Our records indicate that the subject red curb was approved by the City Traffic Commission approximately 30
years ago. It should therefore be the Traffic Commission that determines whether the red curb is retained or
removed. Your request will be placed on the next Traffic Commission meeting which will be in November. In
the meantime, if you would please to email me your mailing address so that we can notify you prior to the
Traffic Commission Meeting .
If you have any questions about this issue please feel free to call me.
Thank you,
Dave Allenbach
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Dave Allenbach
From: George Lopez Subrebost <subrebost@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 22,2019 10:39 AM
To: Larry Tay
Cc: pwinfo; Dave Allenbach
Subject: Re:Changing red colored curb to allow for parking
Hi Larry,
Just checking this month if there was any update on changing the curb color on that W. Palmyra Ave. east-
west to north-south corner cw•b. Both the inner and outer curbs on that West Palmyra Ave. would be nice to
change to allowable parking, I believe I only originally mentioned the larger radius corner curb..
Another interesting parallel is that at W. Palmyra Ave. and S. Lime St. has a similar street curve as our area of
W. Palmyra Ave., yet their corner curbs are allowed to park(see below). That area is all low density(high
acreage homes), while our area is all high density apartments and condominiums where street parking is very
limited (no driveways).
Thanks,
George
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:30 PM Larry Tay <1tavCcr�,citvoforan e�.org>wrote:
Mr. Subrebost-
Good evening. My apologies for misplacing your prior email. Staff will evaluate your request and the history
of the curb markings and report back to you with its findings. In the interim please feel free to contact me with
any questions.
Regards,
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AGENDA
REGGLAR MEETING, 47EDN'ESDAY,
AT 3:30 P.M. , IN THE COLINCIL CHArIBERS,
CIVIC CENTER, 300 EAST CHAPMAN AVENUE,
ORANGE, CALIFORNIA
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" ��'�-�� � �' June 13, 1984
��� 3:30 p.m. ACTION
�TION � � APPROVAL OF rIINUTES
�COND bieeting of May 9, 1984
YES
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�TION ?� CONSENT CALENDAR ,
�COND All matters on the Consent Calendar are con-
�'ES sidered to be routine and will be enacted by
� � one motion, unless separate action, discussion
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or removal of the item is requested.
A. 1238 W. Grove Avenue
Request for Driveway Vision Zone
R.P. Furton, President
Automated Custom Systems, Inc.
1238 F7. Grove Avenue
Orange, CA 92665-4134 I
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RECOMMENDATION: Approve �,S
,�8. ' 86 N. Batavia Street �
��'`n / equest for Limited Time Parking ��
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Robert D. Jackson �
- 29212 Bobounk Drive
Laguna Niguel, CA 92677
RECOMMENDATION: ���
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C. 640 N. Cypress Street
Request for Limited Time Parking
Fred Daleo, President
640 N. Cypress Street
Orange, CA 92667
4 RECOMMENDATION: Approve
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� D. Palmyra/Flower �nuckle
jRequest for Red Curb
Edward E. Swanson
2100 W. Palmyra Avenue �53
Orange, CA 92668
RECOMN�NDATION: Approve
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orange civic center • 300 east chapman avenue • orange,california 92666
post office box 449
department of public works
engineering division
(714) 532 0444
�une 8, 1984
Dear Resident:
The City of Orange has received a request to approve No Stopping Anytime along
the "knuckle" area of Palmyra Avenue near Flower Street.
Please be advised that this matter will be considered at the June 13, 1984
meetinq of the City Traffic Commission. The meeting will be held at 3:30 p.n.
in the City Council Chambers, located at 300 East Chapman Avenue.
You are cordiall_v invited to attend this meeting and express your opinion on
this matter.
If you have any further questions, you may contact this office at 532-0441.
Sincerely,
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