03-10-2010 - Minutes TC® CITY OF ORANGE
CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
Minutes of a Regular Meeting: March 10, 2010
I. OPENING
A. Flag Pledge
B. Roll Call
Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, N. Lall, M. Lebeau, W. King
Absent — Commissioners: L. Dick
Present — Staff. A. Farahani, D. Allenbach, W. Winthers, Sgt. D. Adams, P. Then
C. Approval of Minutes
• February 10, 2010
ACTION: Minutes not available at this time.
II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS
None.
III. CONSENT CALENDAR
None this meeting.
IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS
1. Request for the installation of "NO PARKING ANYTIME" restrictions on
the east side of Chadwick Parkway from Sky Gate Lane to 5385 Chadwick
Parkway.
Elia Castanada
N. Avalon Ave.
Orange CA 92867
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion.
Commissioner Lebeau - I'm concerned this would merely shift cars south to Alta
View Dr. where they will park in front of those residences, is that correct?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - It's reasonable to expect that, it's not
really that much of a further walk to park south of Sky Gate; again the only
parking that is allowed is in front of the residences. However, given the size of
the driveways in the area there really is not a lot of on- street parking available.
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But you are correct that banning parking on Sky Gate would most likely have
these people parking south of Sky Gate.
Chairman Beil - The point you made about the size of the driveways and the
curb space and the existing developed houses, it's very small. That is one of my
concerns about removing this parking; it's essentially a good parking area for
any of these houses along Chadwick or Alta View if they have a lot of people
over for any type of event at their house. Taking this parking away would really
impact those neighbors.
Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
ACTION: Denied the requested parking restriction on Chadwick Parkway.
MOTION: W. King
SECOND: M. Lebeau
AYES: Unanimous
2. Request for the installation of an additional 40 feet of red curb on
Palmyra Ave. at both sides of La Linda Lane (private street).
Jeffrey Wright
W. Las Palmas Cr.
Orange CA 92866
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion.
Commissioner Lebeau - If the driveway safety zone were installed today what
length would it be for a 25 MPH zone?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - It would be 30 ft. on either side of the
street.
Glenn Seltzer, Las Palmas Cr . - When I moved in we didn't have the traffic or the
through traffic that we have now. I don't know what day your sample was taken
but I know there have been many, many times, we have one entrance to our
community of 24 homes and consistently there is high -speed traffic and its blind;
and constantly trucks and SUV's are parked outside the entrance to our
community. It is impossible to see beyond them and see down the street.
Evidently whoever took this survey did not go into our community and then try
exiting because it is definitely a problem. There are 24 homes here and each and
every person in the community is behind this.
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Teffrey Wright, Las Palmas Cr . - I would reiterate what Glenn has said.
(Describes photo of motorist leaving the complex) The photo is not consistent with
what we see on an everyday basis. It looks to me this was taken during the day
and during the week, and that is the situation most of the time when people
leave for work that live across the street in the apartments. This photo is not
consistent with conditions in the morning and the afternoon, on the weekends
it's packed. I have to creep out, there is an inset on the driveway, there are
spikes so you can't go backwards, so you go over those then you have to make
sure there is no one crossing. It's just a really blind spot in my opinion. The
Association pays to have the landscaping maintained.
Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
Chairman Beil - Could you go back to the other photo looking in the other
direction? Are those oil spots there?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - That's actually a wet spot. The picture
was taken just after a rain storm.
Commissioner Lebeau - Did you take the photographs? Was the truck parked
up against the end of the red curb?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - In this photo the truck is actually
parked at the edge of the requested red curb area, if the requested red curb were
approved, so this is typical and we were out there several times as various times
of the day over a week and parking increased in the evening but we never saw
vehicles parked adjacent to the existing 15 ft. of red curb which would
substantially decrease sight distance.
ACTION: Approved the installation of red curb marldngs not to
exceed 30 feet on either side of La Linda Ln. as a driveway
safety vision zone.
Chairman Beil - Dave just confirmed that per the speed limit on that residential
street that is the length of the standard vision zone.
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - Yes, approved vision zones at an
intersection, you start with a minimum of 30 ft. based on a 25 UTH speed limit.
Commissioner King - Would you repeat the motion?
Commissioner Lebeau - The motion is to install a total of up to 30 feet of red curb
on either side of the driveway as part of a driveway safety vision zone, which is
the minimum for a 25 NTH speed limit area.
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Commissioner Kin ? — So that would be 45 feet of red curb, there's already 15 ft.
Commissioner Lebeau — There's already 15 ft., it would double the length on
either side of the driveway, as opposed to tripling the length.
MOTION:
M. Lebeau
SECOND:
N. Lall
AYES:
J. Beil, N. Lall, M. Lebeau
NOES:
W. King
3. Request to change the hours of the time limit parldng restriction on the
west side of Virage St. from "NO STOPPING 6 AM - 6 PM" to "NO STOPPING
7:3o AM - 6 PM ".
Action Property Management
Main St.
Irvine, CA 92614
The oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your
copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion.
Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer - I would like to bring your attention to a
correction to this item. The intention is to modify the parking restriction for "NO
STOPPING ANYTIME" so wherever this report talks about "No Parking" it
should be changed to "NO STOPPING ". In 2003 the previous Traffic
Commission approved the "NO STOPPING ANYTIME" restrictions for that
length of Virage St. and "NO STOPPING ANYTIME" makes sense. The purpose
of the restriction is to prevent any vehicle from parking or stopping on the west
side and let the kids walk across the street. "NO PARKING" doesn't do that,
anybody can stop and the kids can cross as long as you remain in the vehicle.
Commissioner Lebeau — You indicated that the school reported that children are
not allowed to arrive prior to 7:45 a.m., was this proposal discussed with the
District staff?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — We discussed this with the school
staff, not with OUSD. Since they're the ones who have the issue with students
most directly. The idea is also to keep from having children cross the street at
various locations during the day. It is much safer for them to use the marked
crosswalk. If there are any children living in the Cambridge Creek Association
they can cross at the 3 -Way STOP for them. We would like everyone else to drop
their children off on the east side of Virage adjacent to the school so none of the
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children have to run across the street. The school staff had no objection to the
proposal and therefore we support it.
Raymond Cabrera — Just be aware that a lot of residents will move their car over
to the east side of the street because of the restrictions on the west side of the
street, basically I think the time set is because when the time expires on the
westerly side of the street it will migrate to the east side of the street. I'm not
sure how that affects the drop -off for the kids.
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — It really shouldn't have any affect.
The parking on the east side of the street is restricted at night and allowed during
the day and I believe they offset each other so the parking restriction ends on the
east side of the street at 6 AM, so there's no overlap. There will be room for the
residents if they need to use the east side of the street to do so. The school also
has a rather large parking lot that parents can circulate into in order to drop their
kids off, and you're looking at well over 600 ft. of roadway where they can pull
up and drop their children off.
Raymond Cabrera — My personal feeling from the 3 -Way STOP sign, anything to
the south of that could be more restrictive guidelines, if we could have
something north of the 3 -Way STOP sign being more lenient I would think the
residents there would be okay with that.
Unidentified Speaker - I believe this is a reasonable request most of the people in
Cambridge work and yes there are some people who park on the outside, but in
most cases when I leave at 8 AM the street is clear because the children are being
taken to school by their parents.
Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the
Commission for further discussion and a motion.
ACTION: Approved the request change the hours of the time limit
parldng restriction on the west side of Virage St. from "NO
STOPPING 6 AM — 6 PM" to "NO STOPPING 7:3o AM — 6 PM ".
MOTION: M. Lebeau
SECOND: J. Beil
AYES: Unanimous
End of Consideration Items
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V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS
Chairman Beil reported on meeting with residents at Kennymead St. and Santiago
Canyon Rd. to discuss their viewpoints and options and proposals on what to do with the
current condition of the Kennymead /Santiago Canyon Rd. intersection issue as the City
takes forward their median safety improvements along Santiago Canyon Rd.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was
concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral
Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic
Commission.
The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled:
5 :3 P.M.
Wednesday - March 10, 2010
Respectfully submitted,
CITY OF ORANGE
Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary
Traffic Engineering Division
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CITY OF ORANGE
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE
ORANGE CA 92866
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