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11-10-2010 - Minutes TCV 4 CITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: November 10, 2010 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present - Commissioners: J. Beil, W. King, N. Lall, M. Lebeau Absent -Commissioners: L. Dick Present - Staff: W. Winthers, D. Allenbach, Sgt. J. Bird, P. Then Absent - Staff: A. Farahani C. Approval of Minutes • June 9, 2010 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: N. Lall SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None • August 11, 2010 • ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: M. Lebeau SECOND: N. Lall AYES: J. Beil, N. Lall, M. Lebeau NOES: None ABSTAIN: W. King • October 13, 2010 ACTION: Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: M. Lebeau SECOND: N. Lall AYES: J. Beil, N. Lall, M. Lebeau NOES: None ABSTAIN: W. King City of Tape #CfC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (7 744 - 553 6 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November `10 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission — November 10, 2T10 Pg. 2 II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this month. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this meeting. IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the implementation of a Neighborhood Permit Parking Program on the north side of Spring St. between Hewes St. and Earlham St. Blanca Munoz 4400 block E. Spring St. Orange, Ca. 92869 Oral presentation is based on the written report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Commissioner Lebeau — Mr. Allenbach, does the City have any other neighborhood parking permit zones adjacent to other jurisdictions such as the one proposed here? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Yes we do. There is a parking permit area on the west end of the city; westerly of Lewis, northerly of Chapman Ave. In that location residents were being impacted by residents of the City of Garden Grove and by the City of Anaheim. There are several apartment buildings in Garden Grove that run onto Chapman Ave. In order to add a lane of capacity to Chapman Ave., the City of Garden Grove removed the parking on their side of the street. This forced their residents onto our residential communities. Likewise, along Lewis St. there is a mobile home complex on the east side of Lewis St., northerly of Chapman Ave. Many of their residents are parking on the street because parking has been removed on the east side of Lewis St and as a result their residents have moved onto our streets. We did respond to a request from the residents in that area and the commission did approve permit parking for the west end of town. City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Vrang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November'10 [N: /Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] 0 Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission - November 10, 2iT10 Pg. 3 Commissioner Lebeau — Mr. Allenbach did the City of Garden Grove react at all to any of those situations? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — We had no negative response from the City of Garden Grove or the City of Anaheim. We had contacted them prior to even receiving the request from the residents. They informed us there was nothing they could do, they needed to have the lane capacity for Chapman Ave. and since these two areas were in other jurisdictions, they informed us that whatever means we had to take care of our residents we should go ahead and do so. So that is what we did, the residents made the request for permit parking and again they satisfied all the requirements. Commissioner Lebeau. — How many parts of Orange have neighborhood parking permit zones established for one side of the street but not the other? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — We have one on the west side of Elm St., south of Sycamore. Commissioner Lebeau. — I'll narrow my question. It does occur in other parts of the city? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — It will occur if one side of the street is in another jurisdiction as in this case or if the other side of the street happens to have a commercial or industrial use, then it would not be entitled to permits. Blanca Munoz, proponent — We have lived in our home over 30 years. During the last 10 years have been we've actually been inundated by the commercial trucks that park in our area. We are not able to have any visitors. If one is not parked out there by 6 o'clock there is nothing out there. We have to deal with trash and sometimes they will do mechanic work out there. It's a constant battle we've had especially with the apartment complex. We have counted at least twenty -five autos belonging to the residents. Their garages are used for living rather than storing their vehicles. Our homes have an alley in the back way with a "No Parking" restriction. Therefore, when we have no parking in our garages, we have a family of five, and we abide by the rules of no parking in our alley way what are we to do if all of the parking in the front is being taken mostly by residents in the apartment complex? I'm hoping that you'll listen to our situation that we've been having for at least the last ten years. ` City of Tape RCTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department November'10 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] 0 Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — November 10,'= PR. 4 lohn Thomson, 445 E. Spring — I live directly across the street from the apartments. And like Blanca said they have four garages which are full of whatever. They have five parking spaces but with twenty-four cars, they've got to go somewhere else to park. We live right on the corner and when we put our trash cans out they put our trash up on the curb so they can park there. When the trash truck comes in the morning our trash does not get picked up if the cans are not in the street. Because I live close to Angel Stadium, The Pond and to Irvine Meadows, it's hard to have my friends over to meet to go to concerts or to games. We always have to park in the alley and hope we don't get tickets. It happens every once in a while that the police will come by and give people that park in the alley tickets. Because the neighbors across the street are taking our parking, we can't park in front of our own house so we're the ones getting penalized. Now I have to put my father -in -laws car in front of our house so we can put our trash cans behind it. They can't park there because of the fire hydrant so we can at least get our trash picked up. That's what it's come to there. Chairman Beil — Do you experience any student parking coming in from El Modena? lohn Thompson — That's too far down. I've watched a guy that lives in the apartment's park his lawnmower truck, because they do garden work, all the way down at the end of Hewes right at Earlham and walks back to his apartment. That means all on street parking is gone. I left the house at 5:15 today and there was room for maybe four cars. So I can't have friends come over because there is nowhere for them to park or when they do come I tell them to just leave their car in the alley and we hope for the best. That's the only place you can park. Chairman Beil — Anyone else want to speak on this item? Ok, come on up. Elizabeth Viera, 330 N. Earlham — I live on Earlham St. not on Spring St but I do see the effect the parking issues are having on Spring St. because it's starting to come into Earlham St. I'm here to say that yes they are dealing with this impact. And now it's starting to come into to our street which is Earlham. So I'm requesting that you guys consider these permits for them because it is putting an impact on them. Thank You. Chairman Beil — Any other speakers on this one? You can come on up. g City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November'10 [N: /Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting — City Traffic Commission - November 10,7M Pg. 5 Nham Nguyen, 4443 E. Spring St. — I live in 4443 E. Spring, 4'h apartment. At 3 o'clock there is no parking. All the big trucks, the truck that clean up the pool, and construction work trucks take up all the parking. My complex only has two or three parking spots and we are not allowed to park there. For ten years I have been very unhappy because I cannot park the car in front of my house. All the apartment residents take up the whole thing. Every time I put the trash out it goes back on the curb so the trash truck doesn't take it. I'm asking for you to please help with our parking situation. Chairman Beil - Thank you for your comments. Do you want to speak now? Aurora Zamaripa (pronunciation unclear) 4439 E. Spring St. - I live across the street and pretty close to the apartments. I agree with everybody that early in the morning these guys will pick our trash cans up and place them on the curb. Now I worry about waking up early to make sure my cans haven't been moved because they won't come and take our trash. The other residents are not considerate enough to put them back down. They are leaving a lot of trash thrown. They do have their own parking lot and most of the trucks and cars in there are not running. Their putting their non - running cars in the parking lot and in their garages they are storing other stuff and using our side of the street to park all their work vehicles and their cars. Thank You. Chairman Beil - Thank you for your comments. With that I'm going to close the public hearing portion and bring this back to the commission for any discussion. I'll go ahead and start off. We had the one person up on Earlham St. ask about the addition of some sections of Earlham, Dave how would people on Earlham St. go about amending into this permit zone area. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - During the times of our studies we took a cursory look at the area before we prepared the petition. As you know, it's the city staff that will set the size of the area. We tried to go out there during the worst time of day, usually late in the afternoon to see how bad the problem was. It appears that at this time, the problem is solely between Hewes and Earlham St. and did not appear to be moving west of Earlham St. or north on Earlham St. At this point what would happen is if the residents of Earlham St. or along Spring St. west of Earlham start experiencing a problem, then what they would have to do is send in the application fee and a letter of request. We would prepare a petition and send it to the contact person and they would go through the petition process the same as these folks did. ` City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November'10 [N:frraffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting --City Traffic Commission - November 10, 7M Pg. 6 Chairman Beil - Thank you Dave. Do we have questions of staff on this? Seeing none, what does the commission want to do? Commissioner King - Motion to approve Chairman Beil - We have a motion to approve the parking permit program. Commissioner Lebeau - Second. Chairman Beil - And a second. Do we have any further discussion on this issue? Commissioner Lebeau - I think they've proven there is need. It's a health and safety issue with the trash cans not getting picked up as well. Chairman Beil - Yes, it's unfortunate that you live in a jurisdictional boundary. We have these issues in other areas of the city where there is over population. These areas are probably breaking city codes although those apartments are not within the city's jurisdiction. It's a fact we have to live with this day and age. I'm really supportive of your request. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: ACTION: Approved the request and forward to the City Council for final action. MOTION: W. King SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department �i November'10 [N:frraffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] i# Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting — City Traffic Commission - November 10, 7M Pg. 7 2. Request for the installation of red curb markings on the west side of the alley entrance on Culver Ave. between Grand St. and Orange St. Catherine Diamond 400 blk S. Orange St. Orange, Ca. 92866 Oral presentation is based on the written report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Commissioner King — A few months ago some friends of mine were asking for red curb at Lincoln St. and Century Dr. and that was a safety concern and it has been very helpful. How is this request on Culver Ave. different from Lincoln and Century, or is it the same, and we just overrode your recommendation. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Lincoln and Century had an ongoing problem, vehicles were parked from the corner practically to Chapman Ave. and they were there all day. The big difference is while that didn't have an accident problem it did have an ongoing parking and an sight distance problem. We visited this site several times at various times during the day and only once did we see a vehicle parked there during the middle of the day, he was about 10 ft. away from the alley; so it's not an ongoing problem and given the level of traffic both on Culver and coming out of the alley, and that there has not been an accident problem that could have been correctible with the red curb markings, it is therefore our recommendation at this time to deny the request. Catherine Diamond, 421 S. Orange St . — In favor of the request. If someone is parked on the left side of the alley, and there are people who park really large trucks there, you can't see anything. If a normal sized sedan is parked there you can see oncoming traffic, but not with the bigger trucks. I got into a small fender - bender and I ended up being called for insufficient care when pulling out. This was about 6 months ago. I noticed red curb at other areas, not so much at alleys, but at corners there are red curbs. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion: Vice - Chairman Lall — Sight distance is always a concern of mine, it seems to me there is not a real problem of putting in red curb there unless for some reason its bucking policy by installing red curb by alleys. I don't think we're taking away parking that's in demand at that location, so we might want to consider and oppose staff's recommendation. City of Tape ACTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department November'10 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission - November 10, 2DTD Pg. 8 Chairman Beil - Did notification go out to the residents on both sides of Culver? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - Notification was sent to all residents within a 300 ft. radius of this location, so they were all notified. Chairman Beil - So it was quite an extensive notification on Culver and Grand. Commissioner Lebeau - The proponent had mentioned there was a citable traffic collision at that location, it doesn't appear to have been included in the report. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - If I may ask the proponent, was there a report taken on the accident? Catherine Diamond - I didn't feel it was necessary; it was a very minor accident. Commissioner Lebeau - It sounded like she stated it was a cited accident. Catherine Diamond - The insurance company said it was my fault for pulling out without care, but really there was no way without having seen around the truck I would have been able to avoid the accident. ACTION: Deny the requested red curb installation. MOTION: W. King SECOND: J. Beil Chairman Beil - I guess my biggest issue is that it's a public alley way, it does not have the traffic volume of streets. AYES: Beil, King NOES: Lall, Lebeau ACTION: Continued to next month's meeting so Commissioner Dick can break the tie. Chairman Beil - We will hold this over until we have a full quorum. Vice Chairman Lall - If you could talk to your neighbor and to say that it has caused a problem and see if you can work it out without the red curb. It seems to me that would be a nice way to approach it. Catherine Diamond - I don't feel it's my place to tell someone they can's park there. End of Consideration Items ` City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November'10 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission - November 10, 20T0 Pg. 9 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission in honor of Tillock Lall which was Nick's father who passed away 2 weeks ago. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - December 8, 2010 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen @cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 7445536 FAX: (714) 744 -5573 ` City of Tape #CTC -30.09 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B November'10 [N: /Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper