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02-09-2011 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: February 9, 2011 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, L. Dick, W. King, M. Lebeau Absent —Commissioners: N. Lall Present — Staff: A. Farahani, W. Winthers, D. Allenbach, Sgt. J. Bird, P. Then 1. Election of a Chairman whose term shall be from February 2011 thru December 2012. ACTION: Jim Beil is elected Chairman. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous NOES: None 2. Election of a Vice - Chairman whose term shall be from February 2011 thru December 2012. ACTION: Nick Lall is elected Vice Chairman. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous NOES: None C. Approval of Minutes • December 29, 2010 City of rang Public Works Department ACTION: Approved as published. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Dick, King, Lebeau ABSTAIN: Beil NOES: None Tape *CrC -31.01 of this City Traffic Co meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (7 744 - 5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. B Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutesla Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 Pg. 2 II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Tom Hetzel, 4318 E. Ruth Pl. - Spoke regarding motorcycle traffic on Santiago Canyon Rd. and the noise, reckless driving, drunk driving, accidents, speeding, exhaust problems and deaths associated with this traffic on its way to and from Cooks Corner. In December an off -duty policeman killed himself, an innocent 23 yr. young man and critically injured two others returning from Cooks Corner. After 4 visits the police cannot answer my question, "Why is nothing being done ?" Citations to motorcycles are virtually nothing, 110 citations were issued in 2010 and the majority was for registration, helmets and speeding. The motorcyclists purposely scare equestrians and have come close to causing serious injury to the horses. Nothing is being done and we know where it happens, when it happens and they intentionally break the law and there are police stationed on Santiago Canyon Rd. on Saturday and Sunday's with radar guns who do nothing. An announcer at the Sully- Miller Arena had to stop announcing on the loud speaker because the motorcycles he couldn't be heard as the motorcycles went by. I've been told by Sgt. Bird, a Lt. and two other motor officers that they cannot make an arbitrary determination; that is not the truth, I have the CA Highway Patrol law. Left literature obtained from the internet, "Exhaust Noise and the Law of California, USA - CHP Bulletin No. 98- 100 "; obtained from www .cent- 21.com/laws /exhaust - us.htm III. CONSENT CALENDAR A. Activity Report for 2010 - An outline of items presented for consideration by the CTC in the year 2010. There was no discussion of this item. ACTION: Receive and File report. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None City of Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutesla Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - LOCy Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 Pg. 3 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request to make the left -turn lane on Glassell St. at Walnut Ave. permanent. Traffic Engineering Staff CITY OF ORANGE Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — I would like to bring your attention to page 7, item number 1 and 2, it indicated all appropriate notices were sent out but the addresses were mixed up and are not on the correct page. Wayne Winthers, Asst. City Attorney — I believe the addresses that were mailed notices for item #1 are actually listed under item #3. I would like staff to confirm that the correct notices were mailed. Chairman Beil — The Secretary is indicating that is correct and the map showing the notification area for this item is attached to your staff report. Oral presentation is based on the written report, please refer to your copy. There were no speakers from the audience on this item. Chairman Dick — 10,000 vehicles daily, do you happen to know what it was in 2005? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — It was slightly higher, closer to 12,000 it has remained constant about that level between 10,000 and 12,000 vehicles daily throughout the years. Chairman Dick — If this is in place and seems to be working well why are we considering this? I didn't see where anyone had requested anything. Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — Since the implementation of the left turn was temporary, we had to go back and remove it. Based on this report and the evidence we had it is justified to keep the red curb in place, we are here to make it permanent. ACTION: Approved the request. MOTION: M. Lebeau SECOND: J. Beil AYES: Unanimous Chairman Beil — I think the intersection works much better with the left turns that without them. City of Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department � Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2010 Minutesl� Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - wr y Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 In► Pg. 4 2. Request for the installation of red curb markings adjacent to the driveway serving 431 S. Batavia Street. Mary Wieland Apex Imaging by MRD 431 S. Batavia St. Orange CA 92867 Chairman Beil — I just want again to go through a review of the notification addresses on our list. Wayne Winthers — As the Agenda is written the notices that are listed next to #1 actually correspond to those notices regarding item #2. Chairman Beil — That appears to coincide with the map attached to the last page of our report. Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Chairman Beil — There is an email that came in and was distributed to all of us up here requesting a white stripe as an alternative. Do you want to comment on that? Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer —I spoke to Mr. Harrison this morning and I explained that it is not a common practice to have separations. We do it when we have a bike lane adjacent to on- street parking, but this will not help the line - of -sight because the line -of -sight normally goes over the cars and a 2 or 3 ft. separation is not going to help a line -of- sight. Chairman Beil — What is the width of these commercial driveways? Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — It varies between 25 -30 ft. and 30 -35 ft. Chairman Beil — The point I'm trying to make is that we get a lot of these requests particularly at residential driveways in the Old Towne area where the driveways are real narrow and you're trying to back out of a little slot. This is very different it's a very wide commercial type driveway. ` City of Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC/2010 Minutesla Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - MV Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 111111111V Pg. 5 Tom Harrison, 3100 -A Pullman St., Costa Mesa — We are the owners of the property at 431 S. Batavia St. We received comments and concerns from 3 groups within the building, mostly coming from their patients and employees. I spoke with one of the doctors a few months ago and on his behalf I sent a letter to the City Traffic Engineer asking him to look into it and see what recommendations could come out of it. A few months later I talked to MRD and they brought up the same issue and I told them if they felt strongly about it they could make a request to the City. Then I talked to another doctor and it's a repeating theme everyone is requesting this as it's really hard to get in and out of this place because the street is usually full. If there is some room on the street you can see better but when it's full you can't see. Mike's idea if we couldn't have red curb was a white line to help show people where to drive. We're looking for practical solutions and I think there is no traffic accident history here just given the concern we are receiving we want to make sure there is nothing that can be done. [Left a copy of his letter dated July 19, 20101. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for final discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil — We have already removed some parking in the past for southbound Batavia St. in front of the St. Joseph's area, and we also received requests for red curb for some of the residential lots just to the north of this property. Commissioner King — I remember those, we received one from the resident next door to the Ronald MacDonald House on S. Batavia St. and they wanted red curb. Chairman Beil — I can't remember what our action was on that. Commissioner King — I think we voted no because there's no red curb there now. Commissioner Dick — We all want to keep as much parking in the area as possible. Commissioner King — Did you say the parking lot was not fully utilized? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — At the times we went out here the parking lot has not been full. There are 123 spaces, we visited the site this afternoon and the parking lot at the entry drive aisle on the north side of the lot is somewhat full, but around back there is still many vacant spaces, it may be about 80% utilized but there are still plenty of open spaces in the parking lot. 'Col City of Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC/2010 Minutes]a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - Mi y Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 f ✓ Pg. 6 Commissioner King — I realize that doesn't help the problem at the curb with people pulling out but I wanted to get that information in the record. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: L. Dick SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous 3. Request for the implementation of "30 Minute Time Limit Parking Except By Residential Permit" on both sides of Palm Ave. between Glassell St. and Olive St. Dean Simon Bruxie 292 N. Glassell St. Orange CA 92866 Chairman Beil — I believe this is probably the notification that is listed on item #2. Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Chris McGrath, 118 W. Palm Ave — I'm in favor of easing the parking restrictions for the local businesses. If there are times of the day when it can change dramatically that's primarily because of the students at Chapman University. I don't see any problem with the parking as it stands right now because of the successful business of Bruxie. I think it's a shame that restaurant patrons would be ticketed for parking there for such a short time just grab a bite to eat. Dean Simon, 292 N. Glassell St. ( Bruxie) — We understand the residents need to have overnight parking, we came up with a compromise of making this 30 Minute parking for our patrons and I think this will alleviate the issue of school parking. If it's a 2 -hour zone students might park there for a prolonged period of time, making it difficult for police to enforce. Based on the number of spaces and the number of residents on that street we thought it was a fair compromise and 30 minutes would give us enough time for our patrons to get in and out and to give the residents an opportunity to park. City of Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department Feb 9 [N:/Traffic /CTC/2010 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - �fi y Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 IM11V Pg. 7 loanne Medina, 117 W. Palm Ave - I disagree, I've been here 8 years and there's never been a problem. Who's going to be there to monitor the 30 minutes? I'm on the east side of Glassell. If I leave I won't have a parking space when I get back. Right now I have to put out a trash can in order to make sure I'll have a place to park when I get back. We didn't have that problem before. The 30 minute parking the place is very popular and sometimes it's going to take them that long just to get to the window, especially weekends, I dori t want to put the trash can out there all the time. Chris Roach, 111 W. Palm Ave - I'm neither in favor of or opposed to the request. The issue is really rather moot for me as I don't park on the street. My one concern is the fact that when the owner purchased the business with the parking lot they knew how many spaces they had. I know there is a storage unit currently in one of the spaces so my questions is why are they requesting extra parking for their customers when they are taking away parking from their own lot? It's not that much of an issue for those of us that don't park on the street. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for final discussion and a motion. Commissioner King - If you live there and you have a residential parking permit you can park there all day, any day. Is that right? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - That's correct. Commissioner King - So the green curb is only 30 minutes for those who don't have a permit. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - To reduce confusion, on both sides of the street we will remove the existing green curb adjacent to Bruxie's and just have it 30 Minute except by residential permit, and that allows anyone to park there unpermitted for 30 minutes. Chairman Beil - And if the residents take up all the spots that is the risk you run. ACTION: Approved the installation of "30 Minute Parking Any Time Except by Residential Permit" on both sides of Palm Ave. between Glassell St. and Olive St. lCityof Tape #CTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. V rang e Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department Feb 9 [N:frraffic /CTC/2010 X inutesla Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - M Traffic Commission — February 9, 2011 P 8 MOTION: W. King SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous Chairman Beil — We are starting to run into this problem more and more as there is mixed -use zoning in a lot of the older residential areas along Glassell St. This issue will come before us again. End of Consideration Items V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - March 9, 2011 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen @cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 7445536 FAX: (714) 744 -5573 rang e City of Tape UCTC -31.01 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department Feb 9 [N:frraffic /CTC/2010 Minuteslo Printed On Recycled Paper