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10-12-2011 - Minutes TCE CITY OF ORANGE x CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: October 12, 2011 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present - Commissioners: J. Beil, W. King, M. Lebeau, C. Vaughan Absent -Commissioners: N. Lall Present - Staff: A. Farahani, W. Winthers, D. Allenbach, Sgt. J. Bird, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes • September 14, 2011 ACTION: Approved as published. MOTION: W. King SECOND: C. Vaughan AYES: J. Beil, W. King, C. Vaughan ABSTAIN: M. Lebeau NOES: None It. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this month. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this month. City of rang Public Works Department Tape #CTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. 07 October 2011 [N:/1raffic /CTC /2011 N inutcs] f o Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 Pg. 2 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the installation of red curb markings for the residential driveway on Dana Place serving 256 N. Highland St. Thuy -Tien Trinh 256 N. Highland St. Orange, CA 92867 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for discussion of this item. Commissioner Vaughan — You indicate the truck shown in the photograph does not block the driveway. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — This photo was supplied by the proponent, it's a little difficult to see but actually the wheel base of the truck is at the top of the curb return so legally the tailgate may overhang into the driveway slightly, however, the drive approach is not blocked. This is a 24 ft. wide driveway as you can see the truck is parked in almost the same position and it may be inconvenient and slightly difficult to back in and out of this driveway, however, access to the property is maintained. Thuy -Tien Trinh, 256 N. Highland St. — This situation occurs multiple times throughout the month. This truck was parked here from Monday through Thursday, which is street sweeping day and that is why the truck was moved. After the sweeper goes by the truck returns and often blocks one side of the driveway making it difficult to get in and out. There have been instances when the apartment tenants pull up and block my driveway completely and they say they're only here for 5 minutes they have to run in and grab something. That's not fair to me, what if I had to leave right away, I can't just wait to see if they come back right away or not. Across from us in the corner is a fire hydrant and all my neighbors are unhappy that the apartment tenants park there. I've been told that the apartment complex has additional parking spaces it's just that they charge the tenants additional money for them. Many times they park on the street rather than pay for additional onsite parking. Commissioner King — Is that the truck that normally parks there? Does he park there a lot? ` City of Tape ACTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department t� October 2011 [N:/rraffic /CTC/2011 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 Pg. 3 Thug- -Tien Trinh, 256 N. Highland St. - He's done that twice, but there have been other vans that have parked there in the past, or smaller vehicles that are parked all the way along that area. Commissioner King - Do you know that person? Thuy -Tien Trinh, 256 N. Highland St. - No I don't know him, I've seen him once. When he saw me pull up he actually moved his truck a little bit so I could get in the driveway. For the most part I have not seen him move the truck from Monday through Thursday which makes it difficult for me to approach him and ask him to move his truck. The first time he parked here I asked him to move and he did that, however, subsequently when he has parked here he has parked just like this overhanging into the driveway. Commissioner Lebeau - How much room is in front of that truck? How much curb space? So there's nothing from prohibiting that truck from pulling forward. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Anal - There's about 50 -60 ft. between the back of the curb return of the corner of Dana and Highland and the driveway itself; so there is room for about 3 vehicles to park. There are no driveways on the north side of the street in this area, so this 128 ft. of space is available for on- street parking as well. The driveway for the apartments is in here and then there is room for 2 vehicles between the proponent's driveway and the apartment driveway, and probably about 2 vehicles between the north side of the apartment driveway and then the next residential driveway to the north on Park Ln. Commissioner Lebeau - So there's really no reason why that person shouldn't be more considerate and move forward. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - During the day there is adequate space for parking without blocking anyone's driveway. In the evening, and we were there around 6:00 p.m., the demand gets higher so the available space gets taken and they're just looking for a place where they think their vehicle will fit and maybe they will overhang the driveway a little bit. Commissioner Lebeau - It's probably reasonable to assume that's overflow from the apartments and they are using the ped gate to go in. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - That is what we suspect. There may have been another vehicle parked between the truck and the vehicle that you see in the front that may have left prior to me taking this photograph. In this case the owner of the truck could definitely have room to move forward. City of Tape #CTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Woks Department October 2011 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2011 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 Pg. 4 Commissioner Lebeau — The proponent indicated that the gate was recently added, did anyone look to determine whether that pedestrian gate was permitted? Mignon Mitchell, 201 N. Wayfield St. (Apartment Manager) - The vehicle gate existed when we bought the building in 1994, to my knowledge. The pedestrian gate was put in after, it was permitted, but I don't know the date. Commissioner Lebeau — It was reported that you charge an additional fee for onsite parking beyond their assigned parking, is that correct? Mignon Mitchell, 201 N. Wayfield St. (Apartment Manager) — That is true, I'm not doing it to make people park outside. We're full, all my parking spaces are taken, this building was built in 1975 and it has 1 1 /2 parking spaces per unit. Commissioner Vaughan — Could you install parking tees? Chairman Beil — Are those enforceable as far as overhang? Sgt. Bird, OPD Traffic Bureau — They are guidelines only. Commissioner Vaughan — If somebody had an incentive that we want them to park in a specific area it seems that could be a solution that equates to the same thing. Chairman Beil — If we're going to spend time and money to put paint on the street I'd rather just put the paint on the curb, red, and make it enforceable. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for final discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil — I was a little torn on this one, on one hand we're very consistent on denying red curb where it's really not needed. But if I were in that driveway trying to back out and just because of the geometry and the block wall that runs right out to the back of the sidewalk, you can't see, and when there is a truck parked there and you're trying to back out into the bulb of street, and cars are coming around corners you can't see anything when you're backing out, or even going forward. I'm inclined to at least support red on the easterly side of the driveway. City of Tape #CTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department October 2011 [N:/rraffic /CTC /2011 Minutes] 1 0 Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 Pg. 5 Commissioner Lebeau — I share your concern with the geometry of the bulb of that cul -de -sac, it does create a sight line issue for the east side of the driveway and I think a 10 ft. red curb on the east side would be well placed. Commissioner Vaughan — I agree, this site seems to be a little unique and it would appear that even with at least a minimum of 2 -3 ft. of red curb there is still going to be the same amount of parking available. It looks like you can still get the same amount of vehicles in there. I think we could help the proponent and make it safer for everyone at the same time without giving up space needed for overflow parking. ACTION: Approve the request and install 10 ft. of red curb on the east side of the driveway. Commissioner King I think you should go ahead and paint red curb on both sides of the driveway. Commissioner Lebeau I agree. I amend the motion to install red curb on both sides of the driveway. AMENDED MOTION: Approved the proponent's request and install 10 ft. of red curb on the both sides of the driveway. MOTION M. Lebeau SECOND: W. King Unintelligible comments from the audience. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — In this photograph where this van is parked, from there to the driveway is about 10 ft. Imagine that on the other side. All together it will be about 1 car length, half on each side. It probably will not create any issues with parking availability in the area, there will still be space for 2 vehicles between the proponent's driveway and the apartment gate, and there will be 2 1 /2 between the driveway and Highland St. as well. More unintelligible comments from the audience. AYES: Unanimous k End of Consideration Items ` City of Tape ACTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B October 2011 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2011 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 Pg. 6 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS A follow up to the CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP issue at Sirius Ave. and Spinnaker St. and Tiller Ave. and Spinnaker. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — In August we heard a request for the installation of STOP controls at Spinnaker /Sirius and Tiller /Spinnaker. Through the course of that discussion ultimately both STOP requests were denied, however, the Traffic Commission directed us to install CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP signs for the 2 -Way STOP at Sirius St. and Spinnaker St., and to also make contact with the property owners at the northwest corners of Sirius /Spinnaker and Tiller /Spinnaker to have their hedges trimmed to provide better sight distance at the approaches of the intersections. Staff has done that; we were also directed to meet back in October to discuss how the improvements are progressing. We have posted the CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP signs; we also added 2 -Way plate for each STOP sign. Also the existing STOP signs had graffiti so they were replaced. Our Environmental Compliance Officer has met the homeowners of the northwest corners of the subject intersections, they are attempting to comply. As you can see this is the northwest corner of Spinnaker prior to the shrubs being trimmed, this is the way it looks today. It looks as though the evergreen shrub is being removed. On Tiller Ave. and Spinnaker St. this the way it looked before, there was moderate improvement with the trimming, our Environmental Compliance Officer is going out again to meet with the homeowner, and we're going to request the hedges be trimmed lower than they are now. Then there is a branch from a fruit tree that is overhanging the street that we're going to ask them to trim back. To our knowledge this homeowner is willing to comply she's just looking for more direction from us. Commissioner Vaughan — Has there been any feedback from the residents with regards to the signage, have they seen an improvement, did they comment at all? City of Tape ACTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B October 2011 [N:/Praffic /CTC /2011 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — October 12, 2011 PQ. 7 Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - We haven't received any feedback. Traffic volume in the neighborhood is going to remain the same, we did have just the one accident at Sirius Ave. and Spinnaker St. and it was the result of a motorist eastbound on Sirius Ave. saw a southbound vehicle on Spinnaker St. and believed it would stop, and proceeded through the intersection. The CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP sign but with only one accident, it's really hard to tell if there's any improvement or not. ACTION: Receive & File report. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - November 9, 2011 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen @cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92566 PH: (714) 7445536 FAX: (714) 7445573 City of Tape t/CTC -31.07 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B October 2011 [N: /Traffic /CTC /2011 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper