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05-09-2012 - Minutes TC" CITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: May 9, 2012 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, W. King, M. Lebeau, C. Vaughan Absent — Commissioners: None Present — Staff: A. Farahani, W. Winthers, D. Allenbach, Sgt. J. Bird, P. Then C. Approval of Minutes • April 11, 2012 ACTION: Approved as published. MOTION: W. King SECOND: C. Vaughan AYES: Unanimous II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this month. III.CONSENT CALENDAR None this month. IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the installation of an "All -Way" STOP control device at the intersection of Culver Ave. and Olive St. Jessica Kulik 392 S. Olive St. Orange CA 92866 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this request. ,City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. /rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (7 744 - 553 6 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. VV Public Works Department 2 May 2012 [N:/Traffic /CfC /2012 Minutes] 4) Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting -City Traffic Commission —May 9, 2012 Pg. 2 Commissioner Vaughan — Was there a recommendation to install more red curb? Chairman Beil — Not that I'm aware of, it's just for the STOP sign. Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — In 2003 there was a request for red curb and it was installed at that time. Chairman Beil - So there is an existing intersection vision zone in place. ACTION: Denied the request. MOTION: M. Lebeau SECOND: W. King AYES: Unanimous 2. Request for the installation of a loading zone on the south side of Walnut Ave. in front of Eldorado Emerson Private School located at 4100 E. Walnut Ave. Venessa Marquez Eldorado Emerson Private School 4100 E. Walnut Ave. Orange CA 92869 Chairman Beil — I have received a request to continue this item due to a communication issue with staff and the proponent for the item. ACTION: Continued to the June 13, 2012 meeting. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous 3. Request to remove the existing red curb on the south side of Maple Ave. between Cypress Ave. and Lemon St., and on the west side of Lemon St. south of Maple Ave. Traffic Engineering Division Public Works Department CITY OF ORANGE Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There were no speakers regarding this request. City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B May 2012 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2012 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper C J Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — May 9, 2012 Pg. 3 Commissioner Beil - Have you considered the schedule of the parking lot project, what will happen when the parking structure is constructed? Will the red zone still work alright with that? Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — Yes we believe so. ACTION: a) Approved the removal of 168 ft. of red curb from the south side of Maple Ave. between Cypress St. and Lemon St. b) Approved the removal of 122 ft. of red curb on the west side of Lemon St. south of Maple Ave. MOTION: J. Beil SECOND: C. Vaughan AYES: Unanimous 4. Request for the implementation of a Neighborhood Parking Permit Program for the streets of San Luis Dr., Santa Maria St., Santa Cruz Ave. and Salinas Ct. Cathy Delligatta 8108 E. San Luis Dr. Orange CA 92869 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil — We received a couple of letters from residents. One of the letters, from 7914 E. Salinas Ct. actually shows a withdrawal of their signature on the petition. Is that included in the amount of 70 in favor of the permits? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — The letter was received after the completion of the report so it has not been counted. The other letters you have are from residents who signed the petition as opposed to the permit program. Commissioner Kinl? — In Old Towne you have to have a permit to park in that neighborhood. Do you know how many households in that area are required to have permits? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — I don't have exact numbers. The boundaries, in general run from Walnut Ave. east to Cambridge, west to the railroad tracks, south to just a block north of Chapman Ave. Those streets come in on a per street basis; they have to go through the petition process. But that area had already been established as a permit area we just wait for those streets to come in. Initially the core streets are the streets that surround the University. Grand St. north of Chapman, Orange St., Shaffer St., Palm Ave. and a part of Maple Ave. and north of Walnut we have also Orange St., Grand St., they're all part of the parking permit program in that area. `g City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department May 2012 [N:frraffic /CTC /2012 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper H Minutes of a Regular Meeting -City Traffic Commission —May 9, 2012 Pg. 4] Commissioner King — Is that working out? Are they complaining one way or the other? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Those streets have been in the permit program since its inception, over 20 years now. We get very few complaints when areas are brought into a permit program. Commissioner King — So it works out pretty well. There are few people complaining so people must like it. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — I believe it works fairly well for people that are having a legitimate problem with outside people parking in their neighborhood. Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — During our investigation we found some intrusion but it wasn't significant, especially on the weekend. We visited the site and there are some Park users coming into the neighborhood but it's not a significant amount. Chairman Beil — As far as determining the boundaries when we set a new parking permit area. The logic is to expand the boundary to the area northerly of the neighborhood. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — The streets that are bordered in red are part of the neighborhood. We have a one -block minimum that we would consider for a permit area. Because the application fee is $525, our thinking was that the people may be parking here that don't belong in the neighborhood. They may not go to the Park to park, they may just move on to these streets. If you elect to put in permit parking on San Luis, and the residents on Santa Cruz start having a problem they will come to us wanting permits, at that point we will have to generate a petition and there will be a $525 application fee. We're not interested in trying to extract any money from the public other than what is required for doing a project like this. Additionally, because these streets intersect at San Luis, our concern is also with residents close to these streets. If you forget and park on one of these streets you or your guests will be cited whether you live there or not. To prevent any problems with residents parking wrongfully it's much easier to enforce and easier for the residents if the entire area happens to be permit parking. As long as they were to understand that they can opt out of the permit parking program at a later time, but they have to go through the same process of circulating a petition for removal. I did a breakdown of each of the streets that were involved and on each street the majority of the residents signed the petition in favor of having permits. Commissioner King — We were out here 2 or 3 months ago with a parking problem on Canyon View Ave. I don't remember what we did there. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Last October the neighborhood to the northeast of this particular neighborhood off of Old Camp Rd., were having a similar problem with people going to the Park using their streets to avoid paying the $2 entry fee. `g City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B May 2012 [N:/Prafffc /CTC /2012 Minutes] i 4) Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — May 9, 2012 Pg. 5 Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion. William Burnett, 7903 E. San Luis Dr. — In favor of permits. I'm unclear of what the restriction hours would be, whether it would be from 12 to 12, 24/7, or 6 to 6. I'd like to see something in line with the Park hours since these people are parking in our neighborhood in order not to pay the Park fees, then they cross the street and go into the Park through the side entrance. I would prefer it not to be 24/7 but something that makes sense with respect to people misusing the parking just to avoid a $2 fee. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Anal, — Right now it is a 24/7 restriction. Again it's easier to enforce and it's easier to remember. You just have to remember that if you're on the street you have to have a permit. To Pledge, 7944 E. Santa Cruz Ave — Opposed to permits. The parking at Peter's Canyon Park will not be sufficient even when the re -work is done. These people pay taxes, let them enjoy the Park. Most of the people who are parking in our area are considerate and do not block driveways, its legal parking. When the presidio curbs were painted red where did these people think they were going to park? Of course they were going to start parking in front of their houses instead of the side street that doesn't interfere with anybody. Why is it okay for people on San Luis to park their large boat for several days on the street several times a year when it wouldn't be legal to park cars in legal parking spaces? I think this is an inappropriate change. I do not want to worry about permits when family and friends are visiting. We're not going to remember to be picking up these permits from them. It will be a big inconvenience for us. Why should we incur government involvement and the expense for such a trivial thing? There are much more important things for time and money to be focused and spent on than this. Cathy Delligatta, 8108 E. San :Luis Dr . — In favor of permits. I live on San Luis right where the bad problem is. You get people who are leaving their trash and they are very inconsiderate. People are parking in front of the fire hydrant and they leave dirty diapers, doggy bags with poo in the gutters. There was one incident where a guy tried to take a picture of my daughter with his camera. just 2 Saturday's ago we had people show up at night with shot guns who crossed the street and went into the Park; I reported that to the police. Richard Blakeman, 7950 E. San Luis Dr . — In favor of permits. When they came around with the petition they weren't specific with the amount of permits that will be issued to each residence, and I wonder if that could be addressed and how we use the visitor permits. If they are lost is there a fee to replace them? Becky Burnett, 7903 E. San Luis Dr . — In favor of permits. I walk my dog every morning and several times I have observed men outside their cars changing their clothes, coming around the corner in their skivvies, it's inconsiderate. `g City of Tape 9CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department 2:� May 2012 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2012 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — May 9, 2012 Pg. 6 Sajeda Simjee- Amendt, 7912 E. San Luis Dr . — In favor of permits. Being in the comer house by the presidio and San Luis you see a lot of traffic in front of my house across the street, and yes people are changing their clothes. We have a neighborhood watch program that is difficult to enforce because we don't know who these people are that are coming and going, this is very frequent especially on the weekends. We need this program because all of us have kids and we need to be aware of who is coming and going in the neighborhood. Michael Guns, 8036 E. Santa Cruz Ave — I am in favor of the permits. I'm in the third house down from San Luis. What the residents of San Luis are saying is true, and for 21 years I don't know how they have put up with it. I wouldn't be able to do that. The minute they get their street admitted all these people are going to come to my front yard because I'm just 3 doors away. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil — I've seen many parking permit program areas come through the Commission for approval and my view is that they have been very successful. Commissioner King — My understanding is that if we approve this request it automatically goes to the City Council for appeal? Chairman Beil — Not for appeal, but for approval because the permit area has to be adopted by a resolution. Amir Farahani — The process is that after being approved here it would go to the City Council and if there are any appeals it can be addressed at that meeting. Commissioner King — I just wanted to make sure everybody understood this is not the last stop. ACTION: Approved the request. MOTION: W. King SECOND: M. Lebeau AYES: Unanimous End of Consideration Items City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department May 2012 [N:/rraffic /CTC /2012 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Minutes of a Regular Meeting - City Traffic Commission — May 9, 2012 Pg. 7 V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. VI.ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - June 13, 2012 Respectfully submitted, CITY OF ORANGE Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen @cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744 -5536 FAX: (714) 744 -5573 City of Tape #CTC -32.02 of this City Traffic Commission meeting is available for your review. rang Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department May 2012 [N:frraffic /CTC /2012 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper