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09-10-2014 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: September 10, 2014 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present Commissioners: J. Beil, E. Glasgow, M. Lebeau, C. Vaughan Absent - Commissioners: W. King Present — Staff: A. Farahani, D. Hoard, D. Allenbach, Sgt. J. Bird, A. Andrelus Audience of 18 C. Approval of Minutes 1. June 11, 2014 ACTION: Approved as published. MOTION: Lebeau SECOND: Beil AYES: Beil, Lebeau; NOES: None ABSTAIN: Vaughan 2. August 13, 2014 — Minutes are not available at this time. II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this month. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this month. City of g ran g e Public Works Department 2!7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 12 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for "2- Hour" time limit parking on both sides of Waverly St. from Chapman Ave. to the southerly property lines of the commercial properties addressed to 942 & 1006 E. Chapman Ave. F. Montelongo, M.D. 942 E. Chapman Ave. Orange CA 92867 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil — Advised Commission that a letter from Birdie Chala and Kent Robertson who are at 942 E. Chapman and that is the lot that is second back On Waverly from Chapman. The proponent is actually 932 E. Chapman which is the older house that has the practice of Dr. Montelongo, the second house over from Waverly fronting Chapman. The letter informed us that the 942 owners oppose the item and informing us that the existing tenant Family Preservation Community Services, Inc. has terminated their lease that was the one who brought up this issue in the neighborhood. Commissioner Lebeau — When did you do the site inspection? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Anal s — A typical business day I don't remember exactly what day it was. We went out randomly during the day and parked for a couple of hours and wrote license plate numbers down of the vehicles that were parked there and then when we returned to the office we compared them, logged in the time and then see how each licensed vehicle had been there. Primarily they were in the same spot every time we went out. Commissioner Lebeau — As a general idea would that be before or after the middle of August? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — Yes, before the middle of August. Chairman Beil Is there any significance? Commissioner Lebeau — I'm trying to tie it in to the alleged lease termination that we were provided and whether the tenants there were the ones contributing to the on- street parking at that time. The tenants lease termination was dated Aug. 22, 2014 and if the site inspections occurred before that point then I think the tenant that was causing the problem of long term on- street parking may not be there any longer. For that reason I'm not going to speak to the actual request but I'd be interested to rang PuNe Wofa Dewwwm - 077 September 2014 : [N:/rraffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] a. Printed On Recycled Paper Page 13 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 see if the situation persists now or whether it's gone away based on the comments from the property owners at 942 E. Chapman Ave. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Kent Robertson, 942 E. Chapman Ave — Our building is the building at the back of the parking lot, facing Waverly. The 3 properties 932, 940 & 942 we are in a association and we have a reciprocal easements, we have 11 shared spaces between us and each of us have 5 dedicated spaces; that is the situation on -site. The doctor has patients and doesn't have nearly enough parking and when the other changes were made on Waverly that squeezed the needs onto this little bit of area and he has proposed this as a solution to the problem. At 942 we are against this change we prefer to have the ability to park on that street and park for longer than 2 hours. We've lost the ability to park anywhere else on Waverly and this is what we have remaining. Therefore we're against the proposal it presents a hardship for us. From our perspective this proposal is a permanent solution to a temporary problem we recognize that the tenant we had in the building was using more parking than was appropriate and it's difficult to break a lease, we don't have the power to march in and demand but they eventually came to the conclusion that it wasn't going to work for them and it didn't work for us, so we made the sacrifice in terms of 4 years of commitment to a lease to do what is right for the neighborhood and make sure this works and therefore we don't think this change is necessary we think we have done what we can do to solve the problems the neighborhood has been experiencing. Chairman Beil — When did the tenant move out? Kent Robertson, 942 E. Chapman Ave — We finally agreed on August 22, and they will leave on October 1, 2014: Commissioner Lebeau - You're saying that the ability to park all day is good for your businesses with the limited parking? Kent Robertson, 942 E. Chapman Ave — For us it's a matter of options, we don't know what the next tenant we have will need to eliminate our options is a bad idea for us. We think that even Dr. Montelongo is better off if we don't have this restriction in that that will force the other two buildings to park inside of this space so when his patients come in there will be no spaces there, and some of those people are in wheelchairs and on walkers, etc. it's better for them to be able to park on our premises than off, and traditionally we've had a bit of an agreement to make sure we leave plenty of spaces for the doctor we understand his business needs them, but if we don't have ability to park on the street and we have to park in the lot then he has a problem. ?rang P�Ik Wods OeWnmant E�7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 14 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Pamela Kaa, 144 S. Waverly St. We thank you for the parking permit program it is working for us, we don't people parking all day in front of our homes now. We are still having people come and go because they can't park at the corner at those allotted spaces and I think that is partly because of the 942 building they are still taking up all of that area at the end and also because of the medical building located way around the corner at 1026 -1042 who are parking there all day long. I feel we can solve the problem, the first one at 942 Chapman if the new tenants that come in are not too big for the building then there will be plenty of parking spaces within their own lot and probably overflow as well. If we go with 2 Hour Parking, I feel it would alleviate the problem because the medical building on the other street won't be able to park there all day long. I'm in favor and all of the neighbors on the street are in favor of the 2 Hour parking. Dr. Montelongo is not here because he definitely wants it. It's very unsafe when you come around the corner and 1 have a picture to leave with you, so when you come around the corner its' crazy there. I just spoke to the Sergeant about painting red curb so cars won't park right up to the curb, and I agree with what he said that it's not a good idea that doesn't work. I'm definitely in favor of the 2 hour parking. Albert Arellanes, 159 S. Waverly St. - I'm in favor of 2 Hour parking but I think we should look at this after October and see what tenant is in there and see if they are respecting or how many cars they use. I think that if they had been respectful a long time ago we wouldn't be here. While we're at work they can park there all day and when we come home they should be gone but that didn't work out. Chairman Beil closed the public portion of the meeting and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. ACTION :I move to continue this matter to the December Traffic Commission meeting and request that staff revisit the site during the month of November 19 to determine whether the parking problem still exist. Chairman Beil - I just want to make sure there is enough time for staff to go out and conduct surveys during the work week when that tenant is gone. ACTION: Amend the motion, continue this item due to changing conditions to reassess parking and bring it back to us at December Traffic Commission meeting and request staff revisit the site during the months of October and November to determine whether the parking problem still exist. tZI CIty0f - ran wak wo*. awo� E�7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 15 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 MOTION: Lebeau SECOND: Vaughan AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None Amir Farahani City Traffic Engineer — I just want to remind everybody that we created more parking spaces on Water St. by removing some of the red curb. 2. Request for installation of red curb markings on Fairhaven Ave. on both sides of Greengrove St. Anne O'Malley 1432 E. Nubian Ln. Orange CA 29866 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil - The width of Fairhaven at that location, the intersection with Greengrove, is a little over 64 ft. wide, it's a standard Secondary arterial width. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Chris Bowles, 1910 Kemper Ave Santa Ana CA 92705 —1 live on a street that is a side street off Greengrove and I go in and out of Greengrove onto Fairhaven every single day, usually about 5:00 a.m. and I'll come back around 4:30 P.M. During the past 6 months the cars have been parking on both the north and south side of Greengrove and it most days they are parked all the way up to the curve. If you are stopped at the STOP sign going out of Greengrove you have maybe 1 second of notice before a vehicle would impact the side of your vehicle coming from either direction, in particular coming from Tustin. The posted speed liming in the area is 45 MPH so even if they had the 1 second to stop they would still be going 35 MPH when the hit your car. A 35 MPH side impact is rather substantial and can cause major trauma. Prior to that and the data they have traffic accidents there weren't parking. there, never, it's very rate that the residents have used it for parking. I don't know. With the red curb, how far they were going but if you did the red curb 20 ft. if both directions and if you give them enough sight distance to be able to have then an accident. I deal with risk mitigation on a daily basis because 1 work for the Federal Aviation Administration and this is an accident waiting to happen and the link in the chain needs to be broken one way enough. City of rang PuWk Wods pparoM,rt L:7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC/2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 16 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Chairman Beil What's your opinion on where these cars are coming from all of a sudden, they weren't there before. Chris Bowles — Some are from the corner house and some are from across the street and the townhomes over there. I do know some actually live in the corner house. I noticed today, street cleaning day, nobody is parked there because they don't want tickets. Today there were no cars anywhere, it's like it used to be. I don't know what the change is but I like it because you can see. The other day when I was taking pictures, I moved a little forward so I could see down and I almost had a car run into me. If you're driving on Tustin St. on Fairhaven Ave. and there are cars there you can't someone in the intersection and in order for them to see they have to move forward so it's going to be an offset crash. Robert Paul, 1501 Fairhaven (Orange) I'm probably the one who will be most affected by the red curb, I'm against the red curb, because of some of the things you have pointed out. The folks who seem to be parking there are coming from across the street in the housing complex; they have some sort of problem with their HOA. I feel strongly that if you put in red curb and depending on how long you make it obviously it will affect my parking in front of my property, which I don't want. I don't to ruin my property value. Any amount of red curb would only move the cars down in front of my house or my neighbor's home so I don't think it would solve the problem. I would prefer something else such as parking restrictions or even something such as parking permits. I took the step of putting a note on some of their cars a few nights ago and I asked the people to please find someplace else to par. I've talked to a few of them and they said just that that they have parked on Woodbury and other places and they have even had their cars scratched with keys and thinks like that. They had been dealing with that and now suddenly they have found our street within the last 6 months. This has become a problem in the past 6 months. If we find some way to deter them from parking there other than the red curb, I don't think the red curb would solve the problem. The problem is within their HOA not with our street, so far they seem to have moved and scattered a little bit but they will probably come back: Robert Ralston 1511E Fairhaven Ave (Oran — I'm against the red curb. I've had problems with these people parked here overnight with trash pickup. The trash truck comes down the street 7:00 A.M. and he can't get to my trash cans. The problem is from across the street, and whatever we do on our side of the street it's just going to move the problem, it's not going to cure the problem. Cky d rang waw wonM wo.raoant 0:� September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 1 7 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Lydia Pearson, 2026 Kemper Ave. Santa Ana — In favor of red curb'. I agree pretty much with everything said by Mr. Bowles it's been an accident waiting to happen for the last 6 months. I've been fearful to merge into traffic morning and evening, I've been fearful even pulling in to Greengrove and so has my daughter and so has my mother and so has my husband, who is a FedEx driver. Everyone is really concerned about this. George Tediny, 1826 Kemper Ave Santa Ana I'm fin favor of the red curbing or something to address the parking situation and the dangerous condition it is creating. By the time you pull out to see oncoming traffic you are already in the middle of the lane. My wife had a close call, she pulled out to see oncoming traffic and by the time she pulled out she had pulled out far enough to see the road she was almost broadsided by a motorcycle that she hadn't seen. This parking situation all of a sudden it just popped up before we never had an issue. But if we have to address; the homeowner's association way across the street that is across the way is creating parking situation, if the City could address that, or something along on this matter so that we don't impose on his gentleman's rights but something needs to be done. - Tohn Carson, 1429 E. Albion Ln — Orange - In favor of the red curbs. This is the worst I have ever seen, the cars are parked 4 -5 deep and I tried creeping out and just from where I can see cars come swerving and honking their horns and I'm sure there is going to be a fatal accident soon, we need to do something. Part of the problem is that the condo Association from what from what I understand they are charging for parking now so they are all coming down into our tracks and right now and I think a possible solution would be if we could get parking permits for' residents? The residents would be parking there and the others can go pay their homeowner's association dues or whatever it takes to park there. Ceri Betts, 2014 Kemper Ave Santa Ana — I found about this meeting yesterday from a kind neighbor who came by. I have been very scared over the last few months ago I am a single mom, I go to school full -time. I've noticed a huge problem in the last 6 months so as I'm pulling out in order to make a left turn onto Fairhaven where that red sign is on the left side there are all these cars parked there. Twice already I pulled out and I've tried to go back on the street and I really can't because there is somebody behind me, so I can't go backward and I can go forward and I'm going to be stuck here, and I'm going to be killed. I hope it doesn't take a fatality to occur before people wake up and say that it's too important for people's safety just so the homeowner's association can charge a few extra dollars from their tenants. �� rang Pu01k Wwks Oaperlmsnt E�7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page i S Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for additional discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil — The resident at 1501, the requested action to install red curb. The red curb is not being installed so keep people from parking there, the red curb is for safety, a vision zone for the vehicles entering and exiting the street. The Association issues they're in the City of Sana Ana on the other side of Fairhaven, we have no jurisdiction over them. That is something that only neighbors can work out with each other at this point. We're not going to be able to do anything about what the Association is doing. One response I heard suggested was a Parking Permit zone, this is a valid option for only those streets within the City of Orange's jurisdiction specific to those areas or that block on Greengrove or even that little piece of Fairhaven that's in the City of Orange right there, it would be a very limited area. That would be a viable option for the residents. The can get together and talk to City staff after the meeting if you're interested and they can talk about how to go about that. It's a very viable option to deal with density issues and parking issues from adjoining areas. I'm very familiar with driving on Fairhaven I live by there, I get to see the fireworks show a couple of times a year, I'm aware of the speeds in the area and I'm aware of the vision issues so my feeling is that I would support putting in standard vision zones on each side of Greengove St. at Fairhaven Ave. intersection. Commissioner Lebeau — What is the standard vision zone and how did you determine the 45 ft. red curb? Dave Allenbach Transportation Analyst — That is based on a minimum of 3 ft. for an intersection that is 25 MPH street and it would be adequate for every mile an hour the street is posted over 25 MPH. In this case that would be 115 ft. and that is how we got to 54 ft. Commissioner Lebeau — So a minimum of 30 MPH plus ,1 ft. for every mile per hour, but isn't the speed limit through there45? Dave Allenbach Transportation Analyst It's 40 MPH. Vice Chairman Vaughan I always err on the : side of safety and I'm in favor of the sight zones but I also believe you. It happens all the time we deal with these side issues of once we make a decision for one part of a neighborhood it's inevitably does move it so I was curious from you, what is your personal demand on street parking in front of your house because if we vote on the sight zones and support the action Ck,� rang P�Ik Woks Department C� September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 19 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 before us, what would resolve your issues, would you come back and request the City to put up No Parking zones completely on the curve line would that negatively impact you or would you have to ask for red curb for your own sight distance or in your driveways? Robert - My preference would be no red zone. I think they are trying to be courteous to myself and Bob by parking further down so if you red curb you almost certainly they are going to want to park in front of my house, Bob's house and Rose's house and we're going to be right back here ask you to do something else. Chairman Beil - Does that cause you a safety issue? Robert - Certainly it will. We struggle backing out so if you park a car there it definitely becomes an issue for us to see and back out. I've got 2 small children that are in the back of the car. My preference would be something like so my preference would be something like, "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING" or parking from certain hours of the night. During the daytime they are usually gone because they usually work. About 5 — 6 PM they show up and they try to park there all night long and they're gone the next day and that's the reason for Thursday parking. Chairman Beil — So on Fairhaven running east which is going up on your picture up there the City of Orange jurisdiction just runs along further to the east until the street constricts down to the end of that tract? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — The city right -of -way to the west is about at property line at 893 is the westerly property line, that is about where our westerly jurisdiction ends and then we have both the westbound #1 and #2 lanes so just abut to the centerline of the road and then it goes east to Tustin St. and we share that intersection with the City of Santa Ana. Chairman Beil — In the skinnier part of Fairhaven on the right side of your picture, that is No Parking in the area where the width of Fairhaven doesn't allow parking? Dave Allenbach Transportation Analyst — That's correct and there is no way to add parking there, safely. The distance between the requested red curb and the first driveway here is about 78 ft., that space would allow about 4 parking spaces. Vice Chairman Vaughan — Being forward thinking about this knowing they would be back before us with this ongoing problem if we do the...... Crty of rang Pu01k WorNS DeperlmaM L!� September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 110 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Denah Hoard, Asst. City A� ttorngy If you are thinking about doing "NO OVERNIGHT PARKING" it's not encompassed in this notice and you would have to re- notice it and give the neighborhood notice. Vice Chairman Vaughan — The residents would be left with the options of either requesting at a further date either OVERNIGHT parking or red curbs on each side of their own respective driveways. Maybe they wouldn't mind within that 78 ft. 3 or 4 car so long as it doesn't impede their vision. Based on what I've heard I've gone in and out of Greengrove several times in the last couple of weeks and I - did it in my little Honda Civic and I did it in high vehicle and I agree there is a safety concern. ACTION: Approve the installation of the red curb as requested. MOTION: Vaughan SECOND: Beil Commissioner Glasgow — It sounds like most of the issue is in the morning when you're trying to leave to go to work and the afternoons when you are trying to come home. Is there a possibility, I know on Cambridge St. we have parking restriction, probably because of the bike lane, of the hours of 7 to 9 AM and then 3:30 — 6:00 PM would it be possible of limited time parking similar to that we have on Cambridge St. which might work there they still have some options, but it gets the cars off the street in the times of being able to get through there and see the traffic coming down. Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer — For overnight parking restrictions I think it would be one option as you were talking about. I think we have done that this option is on the table if you would like to do that. I'm not sure if you have reschedule that or if that would be part of the decision going to be made tonight or the same thing as 2 Hours limit in the morning or the afternoon, the same thing that we have on Cambridge. Chairman Beil I would like and I think it should be renoticed and rescheduled for the proposal to put in NO OVERNIGHT PARKING just because we have heard from two (2) of the residents there, there is one additional and there is additional people on Woodbury who, potentially be affected by that. Denah Hoard, Asst City A� ttorney - You provided a specific date that you would like that report so it can be noticed and then the public can comment on that report, and also it can be noticed for potential action so that the residents don't need to make a request this Commission has now made comments and be noticed of the action and make public comment to you. ak,d , rang Puck WorNS Gpvlment L!7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 1 11 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Commissioner Lebeau — At December's Traffic Commission meeting for potential adoption of the proposal and has the report available to the residents before that date. ACTION: Add an amendment to Commissioner Vaughan's motion to grant the request of the resident and request staff investigate the installation of NO OVERNIGHT PARKING from 898 E. Greengrove east toward Tustin St. where the street narrows and becomes NO PARKING ANYTIME. Just to investigate it and report back to the Commission for possible adoption. MOTION: Lebeau SECOND: Glasgow AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None Chairman Beil — But that does include installation of the red vision zone. Denah Hoard, Asst. City Attorney — Just so the minutes are clear, do you want a report and potential action in the November or the December meeting? Chairman Beil — Both together and in December. 3. , Request for installation of red curb markings on both sides of the driveway serving 956 N. Cambridge St. Kyle Moeller 956 N. Cambridge St. Orange CA 92868 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion of this item. ACTION: Denied the request to install red curb on both sides of the driveway at 956 N. Cambridge St. MOTION: Vaughan SECOND: Glasgow AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None cuyof ran Publk Works DaMrUMnt Vt? September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper Page 112 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 4. Request for installation of red curb markings between 1216 & 1226 E. Quincy Ave. Dominic Bergin 1216 E. Quincy Ave. Orange CA 92867 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion. Dominic Bergin, 1216 E. Quincy Ave — It's only for about 1 /z hour every day but unfortunately that's when I go to work, in the afternoon I drive a truck and the driveways are pretty narrow so I can't back out. (Submits photos of cars that were parked blocking his driveway, one was parked for 20 minutes). Margaret Bergin 1216 E. Quincy Ave — I have started taking classes in the morning and I have to be out of my driveway at 8:05 a.m. and I don't want the Traffic Commission following me around but I don't back out very well. I told my neighbors when I moved in I recommended nobody park there because I tend to drive over this part of the driveway on a fairly regular basis so as I told them I would prefer to hit people I don't know. It is an illegal space but people do park there, and I have a photo here of a car parked in this space overhanging the driveway and there's nobody in it, it's vacant, so I could not get out. If that had been a Wednesday instead of Monday I would have been late to school because I would have to sit and wait another 10 minutes to pull out of my driveway. This happens every morning and the fun part of this one is that these two cars are here on Monday, and look at this photo it's a Tuesday and it's the same car and he leaves his car and he goes in so very few people know the regulation for the size of a car that goes in. Now this one is a truck once again they missed ours but they hung over my neighbor's driveway. It is a_very big inconvenience for us and now that school has started you get lulled into oblivion over the summer you don't have any of this issue to deal with, you can zip in and out, and we feel maybe if it were red not to be prejudicial but most of these drivers don't speak English so maybe they haven't read the regulations that you have to be over 10 ft. and they do park their cars and then leave them. My son said someone parked and left their vehicle for 20 min. and as far as I, know it's 30 min. and the Police turn a blind eye but this is parking by permit only and they are walking their children to school which is a safe thing, but at the same time on this side of the street there is a crosswalk going across Quincy to go across California. As the crossing guard will tell you no they walk straight to the end of my side of the street and they walk across. There is a perfectly good crosswalk right there but they don't want to go like that, so they're not paying attention to any kind of rules and they are walking their own precious little bundle cky d rang PuDlk Works WgN�t 2�7 September 2014 ; [N:/rraffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 113 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commis September 10, 2014 to school. I do find it very inconvenient and think maybe if they see that this curb is red they wouldn't pull in. My neighbors don't pull in there, it's only during school days and hours, if you are heading out somewhere and you have to sit inside and wait for all these people to get out of your driveway, I find that very inconvenient and to be told by the police no even though it's a parking permit street we allow people to do it for convenience. They don't even make a presence and drive around the corner during the day to maybe scare some of these people off. My neighbor across the street I have observed two vehicles parked over his driveway but he has already left for work at 6:30 a.m. so it's not a problem there. Chairman Beil — If the curb was painted red and somebody was parked there anyway they feel that nobody will see the red curb if I park there because I block vision of the curb with my car. What would you do? Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Chairman Beil — Maybe the Police can comment on this, if someone is parked there and it red and if someone is parked there and they are overhanging the driveway anyway what is the impact of someone blocking your driveway. Sgt. Teff Bird, Orange Police Dept Traffic Bureau — In this instance I have spoken with Mr. Gergin over the phone numerous occasions and the issue is exactly what he said, although maybe it may seem like a slight inconvenience because it's only a 20- 30 minute period of time that's the issue. The issue is, if they call us to come out maybe we can make it there in 20 -30 minutes depending on what call for service we are already on.- By the time we get there if there were violations they are gone by that time, however, at the beginning of the school year go out for about a week and a half time period and kept monitoring during that time. Did we have a few cars there, yes and we pushed them off. The issue is going to be a transient population at a school that changes every single year so to educate these people is an on -going effort and you constantly are going to get different guardians coming to pick -up and drop -off all the time so although yes it's an illegal parking space I do agree with the Bergin's that at this particular location they will not notice that nor will they care, and the reason they left their car behind is that generally they are kindergarten age students and they have no choice but to park their car and go in to sign in and sign out their kids. That is why they leave their car and go away. If it was red then it at least gives us the opportunity that when we pass by in the morning at that school if � ran rWk waft o.wveo E�7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] O Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 114 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 they are there we have ability to provide a citation for that vehicle, and maybe that same vehicle like they show on two pictures will not continue to park in that spot. Commissioner Lebeau — Do you think the red curb would hinder drivers from parking there? Sgt_ Jeff Bird — Yes and this issue has come up before down on Palmyra Ave. where we have had short spaces between driveways where we have red curb so they don't continue to do this, and it gives us the opportunity to cite for that violation. If Mr. and Mrs. Bergin choose to part there and they block their own driveway is that really illegal? I don't necessarily want to sign Mr. & Mrs. Bergin up for their own vehicle blocking their own driveway, however, if someone else who doesn't belong there, someone visiting the school parks there then they red zone violation carries a little more weight and is easier for us to city rather than one that is parked hanging over a driveway. Vice Chairman Vaughan — As a Police officer I agree 100% with what Sgt. Bird has just said and I think sometimes people need a little extra incentive to follow the rules. Commissioner Glasgow — I know it's a school zone, I live on Cambridge St. and I drive up and down that street a lot. I think somebody is going to park there if it's a red curb or not. I don't think a red curb is going to stop someone from parking there. It's going to do the same thing with you, he is going to call the police and say there is a car parked out here, if you don't have an officer in the area by the time they get out to the site the violator is going to be gone. The only advantage would be if you were to drive by and see a car there but if you drive by and see a car parked there you have the right o cite them because they are blocking driveways? Sgt. Teff Bird — We want to determine whose car it is; if it's your car in front of your residence do you want me citing you for covering your own driveway? It makes it so much easier to have red curb because nobody, including the resident can park at that location so when I do drive by and I have directed parking control to go by this location in the mornings and the afternoons to police it, it makes it a little easier for us to cite for the violation. Commissioner Glasgow. I don't think you are blocking your own driveway so anything blocking the driveway would be somebody else's vehicle. ck ya rang wwic WwM o.cwumnt 2�7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 115 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 Chairman Beil — Just a point of clarification, red curb means they can't even stop here idling sitting in their car waiting. ACTION: Approved the installation of red curb markings between 1216 & ' 1226 E. Quincy Ave. MOTION: Vaughan SECOND: Glasgow AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None End of Consideration Items V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS Amir Farahani, City Traffic Engineer reported that last night the City Council approved the plans and specifications for the traffic signal at Glassell and Palm Ave. We are in the process of putting them out and in November 2014 we go back to Council to award the contract. That is going to be the first signal in the City and the first intersection with the diagonal crosswalk. ' It's going to be a 3- phase signal for the east -west one no north - South and one for the pedestrian in all directions (scramble). Chairman Beil So the students can get to Bruxie's faster. Actually its exciting using that type of strategy because of the amount of students and the expansion of Chapman basically the travelling, they are going back and forth in that intersection all the time. Vice Chairman Vaughan It's a small intersection and those young students are quick, they will make it across. c�yd - rang A,wk wow. o.osrtfti Ln7 September 2014 [N:jrraffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper P a g e 116 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission September 10, 2014 VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - October 8 2014 Respectfully submitted, Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division pthen @ci oforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744 -5536 FAX: (714) 744 -5573 City d ran Publk Woks DepMmairt Et7 September 2014 [N:/Traffic /CTC /2014 Minutes] Printed On Recycled Paper