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06-08-2016 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: Tune 8, 2016 I. OPENING A. Flag Pledge B. Roll Call Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, L. Dick, A. Feliz, M. Lebeau, C. Vaughan Absent - Commissioners: None Present — Staff: J. Scott, M. Llanes, D. Hoard, D. Allenbach, Sgt. B. Marcotte, P. Then, M. Llanes D. Approval of Minutes ♦ March 9, 2016 - Approved as published by the Recording Secretary. MOTION: Dick SECOND: Lebeau AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS None this meeting. III. CONSENT CALENDAR None this month. City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran g e Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Department B June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes] a Printed On Recycled Paper Page 12 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Request for the implementation of 3 -Hour Time Limit parking with red curb markings for 853 N. Shattuck Place, and 3 -Hour Time Limit parking in front of the church at 840 N. Shattuck Place. Glen & Steven Nelson PO Box 1 Orange, Ca. 92865 Vice Chairman Vaughan — Did you go out on the weekends at all? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — We went out on a Saturday during the day and early in the morning about 8:00. Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion. The following two a -mails were received from residents unable to attend the CTC meeting but they wanted their opinions to be heard: Carol Bellard, 15544 E. Collins Ave — In favor of the 3 -Hour time Limit parking restriction, would like business owners to receive a permit enabling them to park on the street. (Received via e-mail on May 27, 2016.) Iamie Coate, 770 N. Shattuck Pl., #A — Opposed to the request. She is an owner of one of the 4 -plex buildings that are on the street and she feels the proposed time limit represents an impracticable solution to this request. She owns a 4 -plex residential unit and her tenants always have more than 1 car per household and there isn't enough on- street parking available as it is. (Received via e-mail on June 3, 2016.) Pastor Bubba Lipscomb, 840 N. Shattuck Pl . — In favor of the parking restrictions. Sunday is the day I need it. Most of the time people will park their cars on Friday night and they will move either Sunday night or Monday morning. My concern is more that it's becoming a storage lot there on Shattuck Pl. I don't want to call the Police every time a car is there I did last week because there was a dump truck and I would appreciate if you would reconsider and think about letting us have time limit parking because on weekends it is a nightmare on a City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes S Printed On Recycled Paper Page 13 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 repetitive basis. If you went every Sunday like I do you would see that those cars pretty much line the street. Our people are older and they like to park in the front there is the parking lot but they want to park in the front. We need to park from 9 am to 7:30 pm Sunday evening, and Wednesday after 7 pm. We have cameras up and we have thefts on film. Steven Nelson, 853 N. Shattuck Pl . — In favor of the parking restriction. We just want to have parking available in front of our building and not have people do mechanical work. People are bringing their cars over from Highland St. and Quincy Ave. west of Tustin St. to park here, and there are a lot of commercial vehicles that are also parked. I can't see how it hurts anybody to have this parking restriction. People cannot park in front of our office when they need to, it's very inconvenient for us and also this habitual parking of trucks, back -hoes, vans, etc. Glen Nelson, 853 N. Shattuck Pl . — In favor of parking restriction. If you go around City Hall you see all kinds of parking restrictions for time limits. Two years ago we came to you looking for No Overnight parking, and it was denied, and then we went to see Rick Otto about 2 months ago and he said we should contact Jacki Scott about this issue, and we started the process again and we were quite surprised when we weren't granted this 3 -Hour parking. I walked around the City Hall and in the front it's 1 Hour parking, down the side it's 1 -Hour parking, if you go on Almond Ave. it's all red curb. We would like to have the same consideration to run our business and our guests as the City has. I think 3 hours would help us. We think if you give us the 3 Hours it would be easier on us, on Pastor Bubba, everybody would be happy. Mike Schade 34659 Tennifer Dr., Wildomar — I perform maintenance for the Nelson's buildings and I come in to work at 5:30 -6:00 am and I see people drive up and park, and they have another car come up to pick them up, and they are parked there all day long. I see the same thing with commercial vehicles being parked there. A lot of time people are sleeping in their cars and they use our wall and our community as a bathroom and we have to clean that up as well. Along with the tagging too it's a constant thing, I'm constantly having to take care of that sort of thing for the Nelsons, repainting the buildings, cleaning that kind of stuff up. I don't see where a 3 hour limit would hurt anybody and it would keep people from bringing their cars from other locations to park there and then leave them overnight. I don't know if it's street sweeper days that they do it but that street is pretty well always full until you get all the way down to City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. O ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks /Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes Printed On Recycled Paper Paee 14 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 the other end. At the far end you have apartments there and they use their spaces up. Rarely in the mornings is there a space to park. I use the back of the lot. Chairman Beil — In your view is there a lot of vacant storefront in that little commercial center facing Tustin St.? Mike Schade, 34659 Jennifer Dr., Wildomar — We have a couple of units that are vacant on the Tustin side. We haven't had too much of a parking issue in the front in the parking area. Wells Fargo Bank is right there and all of their customers park in our lot for some reason. We put little signs up but nobody really pays attention to them we don't really give them a hard time over it. We have a trash dumpster that I have to roll out on Monday and Thursday's and there are always cars right there, and I try to put it right at the gate so the trash guy can get it, and sometimes people park all the way up to the entrance. They are not talking about having any red curb, just the 3 Hour parking. Vice Chairman Vaughan — The original request is for 10 ft. and 3 ft. of the red curb so if I'm hearing you correctly would 3 ft. and 3 ft. give you enough distance to keep that from encroaching on the driveway? Mike Schade, 34659 Jennifer Dr., Wildomar — That would definitely help especially when we go in and out of there. It would be better if it were 5 ft. back especially on the south side where we haven't put the dumpster in. 5 ft. and 3 ft. would be ideal. Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further discussion and a motion. Vice Chairman Vaughan — Was there any indication when you were there or if our law enforcement officer knows about the shuttling? I've seen it in other areas so I believe it, I just wondered if any of our people saw it. I went by there 3 times last week and I didn't see that. Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — In one of my observations I saw a guy parking what seemed to be one vehicle then he walked over that got into another truck and drove away. City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes Printed On Recycled Paper Paae 15 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 Vice Chairman Vaughan — I remember when they came to us last time regarding the overnight parking and I know the same kind of problems exist as now, and I think between Pastor Bubba and the Nelson's I think the 3 Hour parking is a good compromise, and I would move to grant the request and change the red curb to 5 ft. and 3 ft. Chairman Beil — My only concern with that is moving the issue over to the next residential street. I'm still trying to ascertain if it's an overnight issue or a daytime issue. Vice Chairman Vaughan — I have to admit I was wondering about time restrictions I don't know how staff feels about that and we didn't really discuss it. I know the church's concern was primarily on the days where they have church services. Chairman Beil — If there was consideration to put in a 3 hour parking limit is it just days or would it be all the time? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst — We have limited parking enforcement during business hours Monday through Saturday. Vice Chairman Vaughan - I believe my motion was to deny staff's recommendation and go forward to approve the request. In regard to the red curb it's to approve installation of 5 ft. and 3 ft. red curb markings. Motion fails for lack of a second. Chairman Beil — I understand the issue and it's an issue we were facing when you came before us in the past, and it's an issue we're facing in a lot of areas of the City and if we start taking small actions like this and start moving the problem around because whoever is parking here and whoever is staying there they believe for some reason this is the place that is the least impacting on residential and businesses, it's kind of on a back street and it probably has a lot of vacancies, the church is there. They are going to start migrating and park somewhere else. A 3 hour time limit is a parking turn -over tool, to make parking turn -over generally for business purposes, you turn that parking over to customers. I don't think this situation out there is the reason to put in parking turn -over. City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen � June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes Printed On Recycled Paper PaL-e 16 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June S, 2016 Glen Nelson — It looks like we're not going to prevail in this situation but the situation isn't going to go away and you are pinning the donkey tail on us. We didn't cause the problem, my bother drove through the project on the other side of Tustin St. and he counted over 300 garages and they were all closed. We don't know what those garages are being used for, maybe Code Enforcement could find out. I don't know why we have to carry the burden of the graffiti, trash, and public defection in our front yard, literally. When you have City Hall with restrictions surround it on no parking and red curb why we are denied the same basic human right? Chairman Beil — Parking isn't a human right. Denah Hoard, Asst. City Attorney — We can ask Orange Police to actively enforce parking restrictions for the next month and report back to us then. Chairman Beil — Ask Orange Police to increase enforcement of parking for 30 days and add red curb. I would be in favor of that. You know how I feel about taking away a single parking space, I just don't like taking away parking. The things Mr. Nelson brought up appears to be a Code Enforcement issue, a density, that's the issue we're facing. Jacki Scott, City Traffic Engineer — I spoke on this item or a very similar item just Monday night at the Planning Commission meeting, this kind of inquiry and request comes in to the City almost daily in some form or another, whether it's a complaint, request for time limit parking, permit parking, inquiries about neighborhoods, different initiatives that someone might be interested in taking and everybody is basically concerned about there not being enough parking on the street in front of their business, their residence in front of wherever their interest is. This is a citywide issue and each one of these individual requests does accumulate over time, and so staff's recommendation for denial is along these lines. If the numbers bear out, we've done the study and we have the numbers that shows a moderate demand, and in trying to minimize this overall impact to adjacent areas. Commissioner Dick — Just to show that we're not totally unsympathetic to what has happened, if the Commissioner would care to revise his proposal to ask for 30 days of enhanced enforcement and amend it to include the red curb I would be pleased to second that. You know how I feel about giving up one single City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 7445536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen 2�7 June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes Printed On Recycled Paper Page 17 Minut of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 parking space, there's only so many and the City grows, and nobody wants to park in front of my house, or your house or your shop, or my shop. Every time we take away another parking space it just makes it more likely that somebody is going to illegally park somewhere else and that might cause other problems. I just don't like taking away parking. Vice Chairman Vaughan - I'm more in favor of supporting the business owners than I am to visitors to the area and transitory traffic. They most likely will find another place, that's an unknown we aren't certain of, maybe they will go to the next block and maybe they won't, I don't know. I can say as a resident and somebody who works in a city where there is no free parking, it's all metered and you have to pay everywhere in downtown Riverside, I think people are more inclined to park in front of business in business districts than they are residential. The business owners here have been pretty patient, I agree with them that there is a problem, so if working toward a solution to them if the best we can do is to put it to the Police Department for 30 days and see what happens knowing we could bring it back and revisit it on their behalf, I would probably make that motion. I think the red curb at 5 ft. and 3 ft. is acceptable and we can leave that in or if staffs feels that 10 ft. is more appropriate. Chairman Beil - Any thoughts on the 10 ft. and 3 ft.? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - We put in red curb for sight distance problems, if you are going to get any benefit out of this you need to have 10 ft. of red curb on the south side of the driveway. The reason we are going with 3 ft. on the other side is to preserve 1 parking space that is there, and your sight distance is not as acute as looking northbound. Commissioner Lebeau - What if I offer a substitute motion that is attainable, to adopt the request for a vision sight zone north and south of the driveway and 653 N. Shattuck Pl., 10 ft. south of the driveway and 3 ft. north of the driveway. Ask the Watch Commanders for a period of 30 days of enforcement, and to have staff revisit the parking issue after those 30 days, it could be reported at the August Traffic Commission meeting. Commissioner Dick - We lose how many parking spaces? Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - One in total. City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen If 2�7 June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes ;� Printed On Recycled Paper Pa�ze 18 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 Commissioner Dick - This is June, my concern is that the August date might be a little too quick to get an accurate count because in my estimation you have to find out if people are continuing to park there. If they are parking there are they being ticketed, and if ticketed are they actually showing up for court. Commissioner Lebeau - My motion was mindful of the fact that we are dark in July, if the citations start showing up we might get a quicker response that the reinvestigation would occur after that 30 day period was over with any need to modify. Once the enforcement period is over then verify if the behavior has changed in the neighborhood, if we're trying to modify whether behavior has changed during the enforcement the numbers would be affected. Chairman Beil - We have a motion that we approve the red curb, and a 30 day enforcement of the area. There was someone else speaking but the voice is unintelligible. Sgt. Brian Marcotte, OPD Traffic Bureau - In a 6 month period we had less than 10 calls that were parking related. They can call after 4:30 to report any problems. Commissioner Dick - We're talking about 30 days of increased parking control with no modifications to signage, and no red curb. MOTION: M. Lebeau SECOND: L. Dick AYES: Unanimous NOES: None ABSTAIN: None End of Consideration Items V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS None this month. City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this regard, advance notice is appreciated. Public Works Departmen Iy B June 2016 [N:/PublicWorks/Traffic /CTC /2016 Minutes 14 0 Printed On Recycled Paper Page 19 Minutes of a Regular Meeting City Traffic Commission June 8, 2016 VI. ADJOURNMENT After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission. The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled: 5:30 P.M. Wednesday - August 10, 2016 Respectfully submitted, Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary Traffic Engineering Division 12then @cityoforange.org CITY OF ORANGE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 300 E. CHAPMAN AVENUE ORANGE CA 92866 PH: (714) 744 -5536 FAX: (714) 744 -5573 City of A digital recording of this City Traffic Commission meeting can be made available for your review and /or purchase. ran ge Please contact the Recording Secretary at (714) 744 -5536 in this re ard, advance notice is appreciated. 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