03-09-2016 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE
CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
Minutes of a Regular Meeting: March 9, 2016
I. OPENING
A. Flag Pledge
B. Roll Call
Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, A. Feliz, M. Lebeau
Absent - Commissioners: C. Vaughan
Present — Staff: J. Scott, M. Llanes, D. Hoard, D. Allenbach, Sgt. B. Marcotte, P. Then
D. Approval of Minutes
♦ February 10, 2016 — Approved as published by the Recording Secretary.
MOTION: Lebeau
SECOND: Feliz
AYES: Unanimous
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS
None this meeting.
III. CONSENT CALENDAR
None this month.
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IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS
1. Request to remove Santa Maria St. between Santa Cruz Ave. and San Luis Dr.
from Neighborhood Parking Permit Program, Area R.
Dennis Shintani
7841 E. Salinas Court
Orange, Ca. 92869
Commissioner Lebeau - Discussion of report attachments missing pages.
Chairman Beil - Staff is saying we have the 2 additional surveys, 1 opposed and
1 supporting.
Tacki Scott, City Traffic Engineer - I have all the appropriate petitions as
indicated in the voting, and as indicated on the map up on the screen with the
appropriate addresses assigned to those.
Commissioner Lebeau - So the map has been updated?
Chairman Beil - The map has been updated to show the additional green and the
1 red dot.
Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy.
Chairman Beil opened the public hearing for the following discussion.
Brian Ducker, 248 S. Santa Maria St . - This was originally done because there
were problems with people going to the park and was way down at the bottom
of San Luis and we opposed it originally. It's really been a nuisance with no
benefit. There's never any place for our people to park and there is really no
reason we wouldn't want people to park there is no overflow in our area from
the problem that was originally at the bottom. That part is still restricted and I'm
sure those people still want it because it seemed like a good reason for them to
have it, but it's never made any sense in our area.
Shelly Ducker, 248 S. Santa Maria St . - Dennis Shintani and I undertook the task
of collecting the signatures because of the last year and a half of opposition by
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everyone on Santa Maria. Not only is it not necessary because the cars that were
parking from Peter's Canyon are at the 2 red curbs at the bottom of Presidio,
those are now red curbs. Right around their houses just around the corner
people park there and go to Peter's Canyon. They wanted and they still have it.
Way down on Santa Maria no one has ever parked there from Peter's Canyon, it
way too far and there has never been a problem of people parking there. The
additional problem we have had since the permit program has been implement
is that there are so many different signs, Santa Cruz is off, San Luis is on, Santa
Maria is on, Salinas is off and when guests come to the house for anything on
Santa Maria they don't know where to park, it's so confusing. We would like
Santa Maria to be off so it is consistent with Salinas and Santa Cruz, it makes a
lot more sense. We met with every one of the residents and it was unanimous
except for the two houses we never reached.
Martin Kimble, 7838 E. Salinas Ct . — I agree exactly with that they are saying, it's
not needed and it never has been and I'd like to see it removed.
Dennis Shintani, 7841 E. Salinas Ct . — Like the other speakers I also support
removal, I was never in favor from the beginning in 2012, I saw no need for it.
Right now I travel through the neighborhood quite a lot and I don't notice any
overflow parking on any of the streets except maybe for 2 or 3 houses along the
Presidio corridor. Santa Cruz is a very long street much closer than Santa Maria
to the park and I never see any strange cars there. Most of those residents park
in their driveways or garages, I see very few parked on the street.
Matt VanLigten, 308 S. Sana Maria St . — There has never really been an issue with
parking at all around there and we have a lot of cars because we have a big
family and we've never had an issue with parking even on Memorial Day, it's
really unneeded and especially when you have people over it's just a giant
hassle.
Tustin VanLigten, 308 S. Santa Maria St . — I agree with everything my brother just
said and there has never been any parking problems the only thing I've had
problems with are the red curbs and we events at our house for my school and
it's just a giant hassle with the parking restrictions.
Adam Klugman, 298 S. Santa Maria St . — I agree with everything that has been
said I think it's an unnecessary restriction it puts a burden on the homeowners
and I'm fully in favor of listing this parking restriction.
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Amanda Peterson, 7902 Santa Cruz St . - I want the parking permit program to be
removed. It is a daily inconvenience for parking and every time we need a
permit we have to go to the Police Dept. to get it and it's very uncomfortable.
Brian Hallse, 7939 E. Salinas Ct . - I'm in favor of Santa Maria being removed, we
got rid of it on Salinas Ct. the previous go around people on San Luis said you
are going to see all this traffic and parking on our street and it has never occurred
so I don't think the people on Sana Maria are going to see any new parking
issues from park goers. People do still park around Presidio and go the park that
don't have permits. So whether or not people have permits people are still
parking there
Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for
further discussion and a motion.
Commissioner Lebeau - A copy of the Neighborhood Parking Permit Removal
steps for removal indicates there is an application fee for removing areas from
the Parking Permit Program; has that fee been paid in this case?
Toe DeFrancesco, Public Works Director - During the encounters we had with the
applicants there was confusion on my part whether or not a fee was necessary.
We had taken a couple of different iterations of the policy to the City Council and
I made the determination that a fee was not necessary, it wasn't until our Traffic
Engineer came back from her leave that she recognized we had made a mistake
and since they were so far down the process we did not collect the fee because
originally we had told them there would not be a fee.
Chairman Beil - I was here actually when the parking permit program was
initially brought forth in the area, it was a little controversial but there was
overwhelming support of it. I think we see now that a portion of this makes
sense to remove it.
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ACTION: Approve the request for the removal of the Santa Maria St. and
forward to the City Council for final action.
MOTION J. Beil
SECOND M. Lebeau
AYES Unanimous
NOES None
ABSTAIN None
End of Consideration Items
V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS
None this month.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was
concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations,
the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission.
The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled:
5:30 P.M.
Wednesday - April 13, 2016
Respectfully submitted,
Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary
Traffic Engineering Division
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