10-14-2015 - Minutes TCCITY OF ORANGE
CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
Minutes of a Regular Meeting: October 14, 2015
I. OPENING
A. Flag Pledge
B. Roll Call
Present — Commissioners: J. Beil, A. Feliz, M. Lebeau, C. Vaughan
Absent — Commissioners: None
Present - Staff: J. Scott, M. Llanes, D. Hoard, D. Allenbach, Sgt. B. Marcotte, P. Then
C. Approval of Minutes
March 11, 2015 - Approved as published by the Recording Secretary.
MOTION:
Glasgow
SECOND:
Beil
AYES:
Beil, Glasgow
NOES:
None
ABSTAIN:
Lebeau, Feliz
II. ORAL PRESENTATIONS
III. CONSENT CALENDAR
None this month.
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IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS
1. Request for the installation of red curb markings on the north side of the driveway at
404 N. Batavia St.
Millicent Riddle
404 N. Batavia St.
Orange CA 92868
Oral presentation is based on the written staff report; please refer to your copy. Chairman Beil
opened the public hearing for the following discussion.
Millicent Riddle, 404 N. Batavia St . — I'm aware my request may inconvenience neighboring
driver but I feel the matter of safely exiting my driveway is important. Batavia St. is a 35
MPH street yet it's not enforced and nobody goes at 35 MPH. I believe the safety of myself
and others should be considered before inconvenience. I also believe the impact the
reducing available curb next to my driveway for parking will be minimal, only one driver
will need to find another place to park. Parking on the street can get tight the residents that
park next to my driveway live 2 and 3 houses north of me, and in the condominiums across
the street. The majority of the vehicles are large pick -up trucks or high - profile trucks and
vans. These vehicles completely block my view of the street when I'm backing out of my
driveway. When I'm not afforded the ability to pull out on an angle, I'm backing straight
into two lanes of oncoming traffic, I must inch out of my driveway with my neck craned to
the right watching for any sign of oncoming vehicles and I must be ready to quickly pull
forward to avoid being hit if necessary. This is a safety issue for me, for cars traveling down
Batavia St., for cyclists on the road and pedestrians. Visitors have described backing out of
my driveway as scary and dangerous. Additionally, the parking issue offers me
inconvenience in regard to trash and street sweeping service. As the homeowner I'm
allotted 4 CR &R bins but unfortunately I'm only able to put out the number of bins available
based on curb space. I usually find room for two regardless of how many bins I put out in
front of my house they are regularly moved, shuffled or shoved by somebody making space
to park near my driveway. Parking is available elsewhere but it's not as convenient as
parking across the street. I feel that my request for No Parking has validity based on safety
concerns. If nothing else I don't want to have to brace for impact every time I leave my
home, so I respectfully ask for this to be approved.
Commissioner Vaughn — I've gone out there a couple of times in the evening and I didn't
see anyone parked there but I feel your pain with respect to the vehicles that encroach,
especially the ones that are rude enough to go over your actual curb shoulder and encroach
on your driveway. Is there a specific peak time when it's always a problem?
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Millicent Riddle - I'm not home during the day either because I work. So I leave in the
morning between 6:45 and 7:00 AM and so do my neighbors. When I go out in the morning
it is blocked, there is no view down the street. Occasionally if a sedan is parked there you
can see enough down the street and exit, but when you get to that certain point where that
white van is parked there, once you get just past that sidewalk there is zero view of the
street, you can't see anything. In the evening I get home between 5:30 - 5:45 PM and at that
point it's just starting to fill up and sometimes there will be somebody there and sometimes
not.
Commissioner Vaughan - Is it more the overall sight distance that's troublesome or the
encroaching on your driveway.
Millicent Riddle - It's the sight distance. When they encroach you can reach out the
window and touch their car it's so close. I sent in pictures when I sent in my request.
Depending on how many high profile vehicles are parked up and down Batavia, it's not just
my house it's also the house next to me and another one further down. If they're all lined
up you get to the sidewalk and you can't see Batavia and you can't even see the light down
at the corner.
Chairman Beil - Dave, on the one aerial map in staff report you showed some other
locations where there is existing red curb. Do you know the approximate length of those
red curbs on the east side of Batavia?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - There are about 30 ft. This is really more of an
approximation of where the red curb is located.
Chairman Beil - I recall in the past in the areas of Batavia south of here closer to Palm and
then also on Batavia further south of Chapman, in the past we've approved a number of red
curb requests. I think we've shortened those just based on the distances between driveways
rather than using the standard 30 ft. vision zone length. Do you recall some of those past
approvals?
Dave Allenbach, Transportation Analyst - We have had requests elsewhere in the City to
shorten size of red curb and some of them were approved, and some were not. Our
problem is that it is beginning to add up. We have several other areas in sections of road,
not just Batavia Rd. but over on Main St., Collins Ave.
Commissioner Vaughan - Was there any response from the neighbor that shares that little
slice?
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Chairman Beil - Are you talking about 400 Batavia St.?
Yes, there is just a sliver of space for the telephone pole is all that separates your driveways.
It wasn't really addressed in the letter and I was wondering sometimes we get dual
responses when we do the survey on whether or not it was going to affect people and I was
curious.
Joseph Fleuete - 400 N. Batavia St . - We have the same problems but we have the benefit of
her driveway as a buffer. It seems to me you can displace cars you displace them on streets
that have less traffic and less hazard when you back out. You've got a full red curb for the
lot line of 396 from that corner and even turning left from Sycamore that's with peril. I'm
looking at the STOP light on Walnut to train time and left turns and coming out of the
driveways is not much different. Some of it is about vision and some of it has to do with
traffic speed too. When I pullout of my driveway I'm ready to go back into the drive
because I don't know what I'm going to see. The red curb will help me a lot more than it
will help Millicent. She'll be in the position that we have right now which is better but it's
still not great.
Vice Chairman Vaughan - What was the current proposal for the amount of red curb?
Chairman Beil - 30 feet.
Commissioner Lebeau - I'd like to move to install a vision zone with red curb north of the
driveway at 404 N. Batavia St.
Chairman Beil - We have a modified recommendation for a 10 foot red curb vision zone.
Due to problems with the public address system additional comments by the Commissioners
is unintelligible and cannot be provided.
Chairman Beil - Would you recommend anything larger than a 10 ft. red curb? I guess
we're trying to compromise so you can still fit 2 cars there and it is really taking away 1 car.
Chairman Beil closed the public hearing and returned the item to the Commission for further
discussion and a motion.
ACTION: Approved the installation of 18 ft. of red curb on the north side of the
driveway at 404 N. Batavia St.
MOTION: M. Lebeau.
SECOND: C. Vaughan
AYES: Unanimous
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
End of Consideration Items
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V. ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS
City Traffic Engineer, Jacki Scott, recognized Dave Allenbach, Transportation
Analyst for his 30 years of continuous service to the City of Orange.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
After discussion of today's Agenda the City Traffic Commission meeting was
concluded, and as there were no further requests for action under Oral Presentations,
the Chairman adjourned this session of the City Traffic Commission.
The next meeting of the City Traffic Commission is scheduled:
5:30 EM.
Wednesday - November 18, 2015
Respectfully submitted,
Phyllis Then, Recording Secretary
Traffic Engineering Division
pthen @cityoforangg.org
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