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City of Orange
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October 6, 1986
Monday - 7:30 p.m.
7:he regular meeting of the City of Orange Planning Commission was called to order by
Chairman Mason at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
ABSENT: None
STAFF
PRESENT: Stan Soo-Hoo, Administrator of Current Planning and Commission Secretary;
Jack McGee, Associate Planner;
Gene Minshew, Assistant City Attorney;
Gary Johnson,-City Engineer; and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 15, 1986
Moved by Co~unissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the
Minutes of September 15, 1986, be approved as recorded.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
CONTINUED HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1,486 - CHAPMAN COLLEGE:
Request to expand the College facilities and exceed the building height in
the P-I zone on a 1.2 acre parcel on the west side of Center Street at
Sycamore Avenue..
This item was continued from the September 3, 19$6 meeting. On September 3,
EIR 1040 was recommended to be certified and Zone Change 1057 was recommended
for approval. The conditional use permit request was continued to this date
to permit the City Traffic Engineer to conduct a parking and circulation
study to determine existing and anticipated impacts on the parking issue
associated with the request to build an 88,000 square foot Learning Center
facility.
Mr. Bernie Dennis, City Traffic Engineer, presented his Division's findings
to the Commission. Exhibits of the study were referred to during his pre-
sentation. An on- and off-street parking survey was conducted on September
17 and 18, 1986, in the area bounded by the east side of Glassell Street,
south side of Walnut Avenue, west side of Shaffer Street and north side of
Maple Avenue. It involved the recordation of vehicle license plate numbers
on each of the study streets and the number of vacant parking stalls in
each of the four parking lots and dormitory parking area. The survey data
does not reflect additional parking facilities or traffic management plans
which may be required in conjunction with the proposed project.
PLANNING COMMISSION
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P~nning Commission Minutes
`OctGber 6, 1986
Page 2.
It was concluded the present maximum off-street parking deficiency ranges
from 346 to 382 parking stalls depending upon the determination of the
"available" dorm parking stalls. Present off-street parking should therefore
accommodate 932 to 996 vehicles as opposed to the existing 650 off-street
parking stalls presently available. If the proposed Learning Center is the
consolidation of existing facilities/staff, parking demand will remain
constant, but if the expectation of this new facility is to increase
students and faculty, an additional number of up to 352 parking stalls are
required.
A residential parking permit program was suggested as a reasonable approach
to reducing the intrusion of traffic into the neighborhoods. The program
would allow only residents and their guests to park on the adjacent or
area streets. Students would be forced to park in campus parking lots or
on adjacent streets to the school.
Chairman Mason asked Mr. Dennis if he thinks restricting parking on area
streets (seems like peak times are between 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.) to a
2-hour limit, would that help the residents at all?
Mr. Dennis replied no. If we want students to use the campus facilities,
a restriction would have to be on a full-time basis. The only reasonable
restriction would be through the parking permit program. Residents and
their guests would have the availability of parking on the .streets adjacent
to their residences. The students, however, would not. They could park on
® the streets immediately adjacent to the school and within the parking
facilities, but not on streets such as South Orange, South Center, or South
Grand. The 2-hour parking penalizes the people that live in the area.
Chairman Mason asked how can you possibly regulate neighbor's friends? They
are not going to have a parking sticker.
Mr. Dennis said this was not a sticker program, but a placard program
specifically designed for use in the vehicles. This program is currently
operating in Anaheim, Garden Grove and L.A. County.
Commissioner Scott asked if the visitor would place the placard on his
dash, similar to the beach areas?
Mr. Dennis replied yes.
Commissioner Master wanted to know the purpose of the placard and asked
aren't we then faced-with an enforcement problem if it isn't monitored by
someone?
Mr. Dennis stated by using the parking permit program, it would help
the police department enforce parking control.. There would not have to
be an increase in the level of enforcement for it to be effective.
Commissioner Scott asked if there were any fines?
Mr. Dennis said a bail schedule would need to be established by the City
Attorney's office, Police Department and City Council.
Chairman Mason asked for an explanation on Page 1 of Exhibit 2 - dorm
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_ October 6, 1986
Page 3.
parking lot ~~5, which shows 302 stalls, but it was noted that only a small
fraction of the lot was being used.
Mr. Dennis said the students probably travel to and from the campus,
going to work or school, parking on the street adjacent to the campus.
Mr. Dennis pointed out there is a "Catch 22" situation involved in the
study regarding parking. If we provide parking adjacent to the facility,
you also have a tendency to increase traffic and circulation on the
street it accesses. If, on the other hand, you move the parking to a less
convenient location and do nothing with the residents' streets adjacent
to a new facility, then the users will tend to utilize the adjacent area
streets. Your recommendation should contain some mitigation measure
(_i.e., permit parking) for the immediate residential area. There is no
way that we can contain the parking to the immediate school area.
Commissioner Greek thought the report was excellent and was happy to see
some numbers that he was looking for.
The public hearing has been closed; however, a request was made from the
Old Towne Association to re-open the public hearing.
Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Master to re-open the
public hearing for additional input on the parking.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, .Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Mason re-opened the public hearing.
Jerry King, of Jerry King & Associates, 3187 East Airway, Costa Mesa,
representing Chapman College, made a video presentation and slide show
of the street scenes around Chapman College to coincide with the parking
study. The college is very pleased with the study that was made by the
City and acknowledges the parking availability on campus. The college
would like to see a traffic management plan proposed and to begin working
with the City on this program. Currently the college. offers free parking
to the students to encourage .them to use the parking lots. It was noted
by the study that the peak period for traffic congestion is 10:00 a.m.
on through the noon hour. A restricted lot on Center for faculty and
staff has been proposed and the college is encouraging students to park
in the lots. Currently the parking requirement is 996 spaces; we would
like to provide an additional 50 spaces as a cushion for a total of
1,046 spaces. The changes and movement between classes will not represent
any increase in the demands of parking on the campus.
Chairman Mason asked if the free parking this year is being offered to all
full and part-time students?
Mr. King stated that a permit is issued to all students so that they can
® be identified for their use in parking in the lots and there is no charge
for this permit.
Those speaking in opposition:
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October 6, 1986
Page 4.
Dale Rahn, 350 N". Harwood, urged the Commission to take two actions --
reconsider the EIR and deny the CUP for the following reasons: (1)
nothing in the municipal code prohibits the reconsideration; (2) your
request for a new parking and traffic study clearly shows that you do not
believe the EIR is adequate; (3) thoroughly examine the alternate
building sites as needed. Only an expanded. and adequate EIR can accomplish
that; and (4) the EIR submitted by Chapman lacks an adequate master plan
for the campus.
John O'Dell, 414 N. Shaffer, felt the slide show and video did not reflect
a true picture of the parking impact on the streets.
M.J. Martini, 638 E. Walnut, gave the Commission six polaroid pictures
.showing the existing shadow of Hashinger HaII at around 6:15 - 6:20 p.m.,
which buried the houses across the street. He also felt the video did not
show an accurate account of the parking problem that is encountered on the
surrounding streets.
Lois Wells, 2170 N. Pine Street, expressed concern of constructing the 4-
~I~ story building in an area designed for 2-story buildings. The City would
be setting a precedent for other building in the area if this building
were allowed to be constructed. She cited invasion of property, traffic
displacement and eventual deterioration of the community that is immediately
involved in this type of an impact.
Russell Barrios, 235 E. Maple, stated Chapman College is not a bad neighbor
and he has sat on various committees of the college to specifically
increase their enrollment program. Something needs to be worked out
regarding the parking problem. Chapman needs to solve the problems. Rules
are rules and they have to be applied equitably across the board.
Debbie McLaughlin, 406 N. Shaffer, felt a domino theory exists near Chapman
College. The college is buying most of the homes in the neighborhood to
expand their campus; there is no free market. The CUP should be denied
and the project should not be approved until the college files a definitive
master plan with the City, She understood the staff report to say the
campus can only accommodate 938 spaces. Mr. King shoots that number up to
1,046. Where do they intend to put these additional 50 spaces?
Sherry Suste, 409 N. Shaffer, wants to have equal rights. The Planning
Commission, back in January, made an applicant lower their building 4 feet
because they were within 120 feet of homes just like this building, but
this building is a lot bigger.
Teresa Smith, 169 N. Shaffer, is concerned about the parking situation. The
video presentation was done on a Friday -- a free day for most students. She
urges the Commission to reconsider their actions and deny the EIR, which
fell short in many areas, and to examine alternative building sites which
would allow the campus to build on the sides of the college., particularly
Glassell where there is P-I property already zoned and available.
Chuck Haupt, 314 E. Palmyra, is concerned about the off-street parking problem.
He doesn't think Chapman College has addressed the issues of conforming
to certain guidelines. The alternative site consideration was not addressed.
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. October 6, 1986
Page 5.
Also, the Planning Commission should deny the EIR and CUP because of
unaddressed issues. Hard facts are needed before proceeding with this
project,"
Mary Trousdale, 143 N. Shaffer, commented on the vintage homes being
restored because the people love and appreciate their neighborhoods. She
is not opposed to a Learning Center, but the problem is the massive bulk
of this building.
Lynn O'Dell, 414 N. Shaffer, submitted a letter from Debbie Sigler, 171 N.
Center Street, who could not attend tonight's meeting but wanted her
opposition recorded. Ms. Sigler is opposed to the granting of CUP 1486.
The proposed building is a disincentive to historic preservation and
would like a master plan for all of Chapman College's future planning
and construction of buildings be submitted prior to approving zone changes
or granting CUP's.
Mrs. O'Dell addressed the parking issue in reference to approvin? the CUP -- you
will be playing a game of "parking space catch up". The parking code has
not been met and traffic aspects are still not addressed.
Dave Trousdale, 143 N. Shaffer, is opposed to granting the CUP to allow
the construction of the Learning Center at its present location under
the current design. He is not opposed to the Center, but against where
it is to be built and what it will look like. He compared Chapman College
and the historic neighborhood to San Jose, who encountered similar problems
with their expansion of San Jose State College. He urged the Commission
not to alter the characteristics of Old Towne.
Steve Taylor, 363 N. Center, verified to the validity of the shadows as
seen in the photos. He feels the 63 foot building is an invasion of home-
owners' privacy. The focus of the campus will change from the interior
to the neighboring streets. The EIR did not fully address alternative
sites and locations. Many people have been denied CUP's for their small
projects; the enormity of this project dwarfs other projects the Commission
has turned down before.
Dale Ferguson, 419 E. Maple, is opposed to the large building and parking.
He questioned how many students attend the college, how many faculty members
there are, is there a master plan, and is the parking adequate.
Cozette Taylor, 363 N. Center, is concerned about the parking problem in
her neighborhood.
In addressing some of the public's concerns, Mr. King stated at the ,
September 3 meeting individual concerns were expressed by those living on
Shaffer wanting to be included in the. parking study. The college acknowledges
a need for parking and is willing to face and meet. the requirements of the
City. They would like very much to work with the City in alleviating the
parking problem.. There is a difference in the numbers for parking. When
the project first came before the City,, the college had .acquired additional
building lots next to the campus so that they could provide the parking
that is required. He feels off-street parking requirements can be met.
Planning Commission Minutes
. October 6, 1986
Page 6.
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Enrollment might increase, but it would be during evening hours. By
staggering class times throughout the day and evening, it will eliminate
peak hours of traffic congestion. And the college is encouraging
students to use the campus parking lots. Their offer is to exceed
the required amount of parking.
Chairman Mason declared the public hearing closed.
It was moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Greek, to
re-open the action on the EIR.
Mr. Minshew explained the hearing would need to be re-published and set
for another public hearing at a future date.
Mr. Soo-Hoo said the zone change action was based on the $IR
approval -- should-the EIR be rescinded, the zone change should also be
taken back.
Mr. Minshew agreed that it would be a matter of reconsidering both.
Chairman Mason wanted to know if the Commissioners were uncomfortable
because of new evidence that was presented tonight that they did not have
when they voted the first time.
Commissioner Master was uncomfortable with the parking situation, the
additional requirements and the staff report in particular.
Chairman Mason asked Commissioner Master if he didn't think they could
mitigate that with the conditions of the CUP?
Commissioner Master doesn't think they are going to mitigate the situation
because unless the Commission makes it a condition that occupancy does not
take place until that problem is solved; he has not heard the applicant say
there is a plan they had in mind or would accept.
Chairman Mason interjected, but we could make that a condition. That it
would come before the Planning Commission for a public hearing - the
parking plan and implementation of that plan. We could condition that on
the issuance of the building permits.
Commissioner Master still does not feel comfortable enough with it. It is
going to be a viable thing.
Commissioner Greek needed to know absolute numbers. Mr. Dennis told us the
total number of parking places required is 1,348; that is adding 352 to
his 996. A couple of weeks ago it was 1,160. What is really required?
That question has not been answered. Also, an alternate site was not
brought out in the EIR. These two issues still need to be addressed.
Chairman Mason questioned if he were not satisfied with the alternate sites
that were brought out in the EIR?
Commissioner Greek said they were never brought out. The statements were
not considered.
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October 6, 1986
Page 7.
Chairman Mason stated they were considered because they are mentioned.
Commissioner Greek said parking and alternate sites are major items and
should be considered. They should have been considered in the EIR.
Chairman Mason explained by certifying the EIR we were only saying that the
EIR was done properly. That is all certification is.
Commissioner Greek did not think the EIR was done properly and he welcomes
the opportunity to ask these questions again.
Commissioner Master thought-the College had been influenced to place that
parking on Center Street because typically you put it adjacent to the
building. The City itself may have had a hand in placing the parking there.
He does not think the parking is the only problem. As a matter of location --
he thinks where it is located; not the building so much, as the traffic
that results on the street because of where the parking is placed.
Chairman Mason said that does not take away from the EIR that was certified
because all of that information was in the EIR.
Commissioner Master said what he has seen in Mr. Dennis' report is the
amount of cars on the street that he has not seen before, which is new input
to him. Based on the new input, he made his motion.
Mr. Soo-Hoo stated the concern centers quite a bit on the discomfort with
the lack of building effect on provision of adequate parking. And, in
that case, the Planning Commission has the option to tighten the condition
as it feels comfortable. That is completely up to the Commission and it
must be acceptable to the College. If it isn't acceptable; then the CUP
will not be utilized. The question about traffic -- the impact is
identified. Now the Commission understands that that impact will take place
as a result of Mr. Dennis' study. He does not know what it would do to
continue the hearing for the EIR to include that, which the Commission
already knows.
Commissioner Hart is concerned that there was no site plan other than the
one that was in the EIR and in adopting the EIR, the Commission adopted
that site plan. He was not happy with the site plan and supports re-opening
the public, hearing on the EIR to pull out the site plan and put it in the
CUP where it should be.
Commissioner Greek said what he is looking for is an expansion of the EIR
to consider major problems. He would like to expand the EIR to consider
alternate sites and parking. He would also like Mr. Dennis to tell them
how many parking places are required. They are getting into that with this
condition. An absolute number will have to be established and whatever
mitigation factors it will take. He doesn't believe they are looking for
a re-hearing on the old information; the information was never considered.
Commissioner Hart informed the Commission Mr. Master has made a motion.
Three of the Commissioners were comfortable with the EIR and now one of
the three is not comfortable with it.
Planning Commission Minutes
. October 6, 1986
Page 8.
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Greek to re-open
the public hearing to reconsider EIR 1040.
AYES: Commissioners Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: Commissioner Mason MOTION CARRIED
Mr. Soo-Hoo stated a re-hearing of this nature would be no sooner than
November 3, but asked if, per the agreement of the last meeting, the College
has the preogative to appeal this matter to the City Council once again?
An affirmative response was given.
Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Hart, to withdraw
re-zoning of the property in the project area with the understanding
for technical reasons the zone change may not be acted upon without
compliance to the environmental regulations.
AYES: Commissioners Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: Commissioner Mason MOTION CARRIED
The matter will be tentatively re-scheduled for November 3. Notices have
to be sent out and the whole matter will have to be begun once again.
The City will need to discuss .the timing with the applicant since the
preparation of a new EIR is required. One thing the College may be
considering is the appeal. If the appeal is made, the re-scheduling
before Commission will be held up. The appeal period is 15 days from
tonight.
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT - CIRCULATION ELEMENT - GPA-CE 1-86 - CITY OF
ORANGE:
Public hearing to consiSer amending the City of Orange Circulation Element/
Master Plan of Arterial Highways by removing Orange Park Boulevard as
a secondary arterial highway from Chapman Avenue to Serrano Avenue.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 1097 has been prepared for this project.
Mr. Johnson gave a report to the Planning Commission. As there is no antici-
pation or probability of extending Orange Park Boulevard across Santiago
Creek, it is recommended to amend the City's Master Plan of Arterial
Highways. Orange Park Acres lies between Santiago Canyon Boulevard and
Chapman Avenue and extends across the creek and intersects with Serrano
Avenue.
The proposed change in roadway status allows Orange Park Boulevard to
remain at its present street-width .and precludes the need to extend the
road across Santiago Creek. It is anticipated that traffic volumes on
Orange Park Boulevard will lessen with the completion of Loma Street to
the west. Staff does not anticipate any significant environmental impact
and does not recommend any mitigation measures for this project.
Commissioner Hart questioned why the Commission needs to act on this
since it was in the County area, to which Mr. Johnson replied it was in
our Sphere of Influence.
Planning Commission Minutes
_ October 6, 1986
Page 9.
Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the
Planning Commission recommend to the City Council that they accept the
findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration
1097.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the
Planning Commission recommend to the City Council that they approve the
deletion of Orange Park Boulevard from secondary arterial status.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: MISCELLANEOUS
Commissioner Greek excused himself from the meeting due to a potential
conflict of interest.
1. Plannin Commission discussion of possible expansion to General
Plan Land Use Element Amendment 4-$6 Item "A", generally located
of Orangewood Avenue and Anaheim
southeast from the intersection
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Boulevard.
Jim Reichert, Associate Planner in Advanced Planning, presented
staff's findings. to the Planning Commission. The applicant, Koll
Co., is requesting expansion on approximately 8.5 acres.. The
requested General Plan .designation is Major Commercial and the
requested zoning is C-1. These requests are intended to comprise the
initial steps leading to development of the Phase II Koll Center
Orange Project. Staff feels it would be appropriate to expand the
study area to include the remaining properties in the triangular
area farmed.by Orangewood Avenue, Anaheim Boulevard and St. College
Boulevard that are not part of the project. Also, staff recommends
that the expansion study area at least include a C-2 zoning alternative
in addition to the C-1 zoning classification.
Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Master, that the
applicant be informed the study area should be expanded as recommended
by staff.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT:Commissioner Greek MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Greek returned to the meeting.
2. Request for finding~of substantial compliance - Conditional Use
Permit 1446, TPM 85-297 - DeClark:
Request to find proposed plan modifications in substantial.compliance
with the Planning Commission approval of August 5, 1985. The project
is on Colorado Lane (a private street) north of Villa Vista Way and
south of Villa Real Drive.
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Planning Commission Minutes
October 6, 1986
Page 10.
Mr. McGee presented the staff report and exhibits were shown to the
Commission. On August 5, 1985 the Planning Commission approved
TPM-85-297 allowing the creation of three residential lots and
Conditional Use Permit 1446 permitting the creation of two of these
hots without direct street frontage. A major concern to staff is
the .impacts of the creation of additional lots on the circulation
on Villa Real Drive. The subdivision design purposely focused access
to the site to Colorado Lane because of .this concern. Access to
Villa Real is discouraged because of Ehe exclusively residential
nature of the street, the high speed of travel and visibility limitations
due to the curvature of the street at this location. The applicants
seek to .modify the original proposal to have one of those three
parcels take access to Villa Real because of the high cost of
grading entailed in providing a driveway to Colorado Lane.
Staff feels that approval of the modification with a finding of
substantial compliance is inappropriate and a new public hearing
should be conducted to consider revised conditions.
Commissioner Greek asked if a variance was needed.
Mr. McGee explained the Commission would hear a Conditional Use
Permit and tentative parcel map at a new public hearing.
Chairman Mason opened the public hearing.
Patrick Michael, 225 S. Prospect, the project contractor representing the
DeClark's, believes that having one parcel take access or changing the
access to Villa Real is still in conformance with the original
approved CUP, which was the access of properties without frontage on a
public street. He wishes the Commission to rule in favor of their
request.
Chairman Mason declared the public hearing closed.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott, to accept
staff's recommendation that the proposal was not in substantial
compliance.
AYES: Commissioners Mason, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
RE: OTHER ITEMS
1. Mr. Soo-Hoo was directed by the Commission to register their attendance
to the upcoming Leage of Cities meeting. Commissioners Mason, Greek,
Master and Scott wish to attend.
2. The transmittal to City Council regarding the ordinance amendment
to re-establish the zoning designation titles of R-2, R-3 and R-4
met with the Commission's approval.
3. The upcoming study session with Advanced Planning will be held on
Moday, October 13, 1986, at 4:00 p.m. The Commission will meet in
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the Weimer Room before proceeding to the Anaheim Hills site tour
with the Anaheim consultant. The two-hour tour will conclude with
dinner.
IN RE: AD30URNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m., to reconvene at a regular meeting
on October 20, 1986, at 7:30 p.m., at the Civic Center Council Chambers,
300 E. Chapman Avenue, Orange, California.
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