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Home My WebLink About11/18/1985 - Minutes PC_0 City of Orange Orange, California PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES November 18 ,1985 Monday, 7:30 p.m. The regular meeting of the City of Orange Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman Master at 7:30 p.m. PRESENT: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott ABSENT: None STAFF John Lane, Administrator of Current Planning and Commission Secre- PRESENT: tart'; Jim Reichert, Associate Planner; Gene Minshew, Assistant City Attorney; Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and Toba V. Wheeler, Recording Secretary. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LN RE: MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 4, 1985 Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Hart, that the minutes of November 4, `1985, be approved as recorded, AYES:. Commissioners Master, Hart,-Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSTAINED: Commissioner Greek. MOTION CARRIED IN RE: ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED OR WITHDRAWN Mr, bane said the applicant had requested a continuance for Variance 1776. Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that Variance 1776 be continued to the meeting. of December 16, 1985. ~{ r AYES: Commissioners Master-Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSTAINED: Commissioner Greek MOTION CARRIED Mr. Lane said the applicant had requested a continuance for Condi- tional Use Permit 1456. Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that Conditional Use Permit 1456 be continued to the meeting of December 2, 1985. AYES: Commissioners Master,-Greek, Hart,-Mason, Scott NOES:. None MOTION CARRIED 0 Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Two IN RE: CONTINUED HEARINGS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 1-85 - CITY OF ORANGE Proposed amendment to the Orange Municipal Code revising regula- tions pertaining to tower antennas in residential and non.'residential zoning districts. (Continued from the September 4 and September 16, 1985, Planning Commission meetings.) NOTE: .Negative Declaration 1014 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and reviewed what had taken place at the September 4 and 16 meetings. Chairman Master pointed out that the public hearing was still open; however, since there was no one in the audience who wished to speak, Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed, Moved by Commissioner Scott., seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of .the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration `1014, AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Greek., that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council that it adopt Ordinance Amendment '1-85 for the reasons stated in the Staff .Report. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart; Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS ZONE CHANGE 1041 - HARLEY ANp BETTY CAMPBELL Proposed zone change from R-1-7 to 0-P at the northwest corner of Chapman Avenue and Wheeler Street of an 8500-square foot parcel containing a single-family residence. NOTEc Negative Declaration 1031 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff. Report and said Staff recommends approval. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Betty and Harley Campbell, 189 North Wheeler Street;=pointed out that a business has already been operating from the residence for which the zone change is being requested--a mail-order-type business for which there was very little foot traffic %n and out of the building-~- and said that the business which is going to come into the . Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Three building now. is that of a manufacturers representative, so again .there will not be a great deal of foot traffic into and out of the building. Norma Cracker, 126 North Wheeler, said she has had no objection to the business that has been operating in the building but is now questioning if there will be enough parking space for the new business. When it was pointed out to her that the business will not be for retail sales but only for office use, and that the parking area.wou'ld be,~adequate for office personnel, she withdrew her objection. Commissioner Mason asked if part of the back wall would be removed to allow room for the parking spaces, and Mr. Lane said it would, Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed, Discussion followed on the right of the owners of the prdperty to use 1,o1^etta Drive d~ ~~ d-^irreway since Loretta is no longer a public street but rather a private alley. Chairman Master reopened the public hearing. Mrs. Campbell said she has a letter from Dr. Graham of Chapman General Hospital, in which he has given them access to the use of Loretta Drive. She was cautioned that a letter may not be enough and permission can just as easily be taken away as given, Commissioner Greek pointed out that whether or nat the owners of the property can use Loretta or have adequate parking has nothing to do with the request for and granting of the zone change. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 1037. AYES: NOES: AYES: NOES: IN RE: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott None MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission approve Zone Change 1041. Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott None NEW HEARINGS MOTION CARRIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1.458 - KING LING & LEE MIN WONG Proposed apartment units in the R-M-7 Zone that exceed the one-story maximum height allowed for apartments within 70 feet of a single- family district,~located on Meats Avenue. Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Four NOTE: Negative Declaration 1020 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance. with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends denial because the proposal is incompat- ible with land uses and zoning in the area and is not in conformance with the intent of the General Plan; however, if the public hearing should provide information that would indicate approval is in order, Staff recommends that such approval be subject to the 15 conditions listed in its report. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Julie Chung, 1707 South Varilla Driver-West Covina, architect,-~repre- senting the applicants-, said she feels-the proposed additions to .the property are in compliance with the zoning code, Commissioner Greek asked why a conditional-use permit is required if indeed the proposed development is permitted with. that zone.. Ms. Chung said she meant it would be permitted if .the conditional use permit were to be granted. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Panning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to fi'1e Negative Declaration 1020. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek,-Hart; Mason,-Scott NQES: None MOTION CgRRLED Moved by Commissioner Greek,-seconded by Commissioner Mason, that tfie Planning Comm%ssion deny Conditional Use Permi:.t 1458. AYES:. Commissioners Master, Greek, Mason, Scott NOES:. Commissioner Hart MOTION CARRLED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL, USE PERMIT 1455 -JEHOVAH`S WITNESSES Proposed classroom addition to an existing meeting room, core°truction of a new meeting building and caretaker`s mobile home unit on 1.5 acres situated on the south side of Taft Avenue.,-1.35 feet east from Shaffer Street. NOTE: Negative Declaration 1016 has been prepared for this project, Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to the 16 conditions in %ts report. Chairman Master opened the public hearing,. , Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Five Phil Crawford, 10912 Meads Avenue, representing the applicant, said that the new building is needed for the growth within the church, explaining that they keep their congregat-ions small and now have so many members that they need to meet at vari=ous times all day long, all using the one building. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 10'16. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Moved. by Commissioner Greek, seconded!by Commissioner Hart, that the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit 1455 subject to the 16 conditions in the Staff Report. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT `1471 -NEXUS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION Proposed eight-story off ice building, two four-story office build- ings, a five-story hotel, and a single-story restaurant on 20.14 acres in the C-2 Zone at the northwest corner of Garden Grove Boulevard and The City Drive, NOTE: Negative Dec'1aration 1030 has been prepared for this project. Commissioner Greek asked to be excused due to conflict of interest. Mr, Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff .Report. He said Condition #18 should be changed to require 12 on-site fire hydrants and mains instead of nine, that the requircments~af Condition #20 had already been met and therefore this condition could be deleted,. and that three conditions had been added. due to requests from the Po1i.ce Department, ;making a total of 30 conditions. He said Staff recommends approval subject to these 30 conditions. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Curtis Olson, 517 Cata- lina Avenue, Newport Beach, representing the applicant,-made a presentation of the proposed project, using drawings showing plot plans] landscaping and elevations. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Six Review Board to file Negative Declaration 1030. AYES: Commissioners Master, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Greek MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Comm fission approve. Conditional Use Permit #1471 subject to the conditions in the Staff Report, deleting Condition #20, correcting Condition #18 to 12 on-site fire hydrants and mains instead of nine, and adding the three conditions requested by the Police Department, making a total of 30 conditions. AYES: Commissioners Master, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES:. None ABSENT: Commissioner Greek POTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 176 - WAGNER Proposed second-story living un it over a three-car garage on a 6,275-square foot parcel in the RD-6 (RCD) Zone on the east side of Grand Street, 194 feet south from Palmyra Avenue. NOTE: This project is exempt from Environmental Review. Mr. lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to the four conditions in its report. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Daniel Weber, 1106 Wass, Tustin, representing the applicant.; said he has nothing to add to the Staff Report. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. .Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Greek. that the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit 7476 for the reasons stated in the Staff Report and subject to the conditions in the Staff Report. AYES: Commissioners Master=Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None F~OTION CARRIED IN RE: OTHER BUSINESS Mr. Lane discussed the action taken by the Design Review Board in Q changing the plot plan of the mini-storage project recently before the Planning Commission after that plot plan had been approved by the Planning Commission. He said the change had been made to allow Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Seven additional landscaping along the freeway,. which then created a problem of site width and necessitated combining two buildings into one building and doing away. with the two-foot strip originally between the two buildings to compensate for the additional two feet of landscaping. He said that the Design Review Board didn't actually propose to combine the two buildings but by their require- ment of additional landscaping it became .necessary to do this to fit everything on the plot. Commissioner Hart pointed out that this was a major change and he resented it being done after the Planning Commission had already approved the original plot plan. He said he feels that somewhere in the process that action should have been stopped. .Commissioner Greek said that there had been a public hearing in which a specific plot plan had been approved,-this then had additionally been approved by the City Council; and now to see what had been approved by both the Planning Commission and the City Council altered, he feels subjects both the Planning Commission and the City Council to criticism,. legal suits and potential problems. He recommended that Chairman Master write a letter to the Mayor stating that the Planning Commission is concerned. with the revision Without benef~nt of public hearing to a plot plan that had already been approved at a public hearing and feels that if there is some- thing substantial enough to require revision after approval has already been given by the Planning Commission. and the City Council then it sfiould be set for another public hearing at which it can be discussed, not just changed by the Design Review Board, Commissioner Hart said 'he agreed; however,~he didn`t think the developer of the property should be punished because of something done by the Design Review Board;=land stated it bothers him that tfi a Design Review Board can do this, Commissioner Greek said he feels the action of the Design Review Board was illegal and could subject the City to tremendous potential losses. He said he couldn`t understand how Staff could allow this to happen, Mr. Lane suggested that Chairman Master discuss this matter with Mayor Beam and then the two of them discuss it with the Chairman of the Design Review Board. Commissioner Greek said he feels the Design Review Board Chairman didn't have anything to do with it but that someone somewhere along the line allowed the plot plan to be ® revised, and that person_is the one who should be subject to criticism because what he did is a violation of the conditional use permit process.. Mr. Lane said the members of: the Design Review. Board a're pr~afess`~ohal design people'and oiobody'"can' convince. him that if they are making design changes they donrt realize the implications of what they are doing, so he doesn`t tfiinkiit~is strictly Staff's fault; if the Design Review Board adds something to a plot plan or revises landscaping they`re sharp enough to know that there`s an impact on the building or the drive aisles,;-=etc, Commissioner Mason pointed out that this case was caught more or less by accident because the developer came to the P1dnnng Commission seeking permission to erect a freeway sign; s'he s-aid she wonders how many other cases there might be of Design Review Board changes that aren't known. Planning Commission Minutes November 18, 1985 Page Eight She said that the Planning Commission wants to be sure there aren't a lot of things being changed ~ftbr public hearing approval has been given to the original plot plan. Chairman Hart pointed out that this is not the first time this has happened, and cited a previous incident at the Mayberry Ranch development. Mr. Lane brought up the matter of the Commission's. interest in the possible abandonment of Palrr~yra Place, in connection with the request fora motel in that area at the last meeting. Mr. Johnson said Pblmyra Place is signed for one-way traffic going east, although apparently little attention is paid to the sign and traffic does go both ways, He said he discussed this with Bernie Dennis and apparently now that the property developer is not proposing to take access to that alley any more, that somewhat changes the concept, but even with that there is a problem with traffic going easterly, and therefore his and Mr, Dennis` recommendation is to leave the alley open and re-sign it so that the traffic would go westerly instead of easterly.. He said that the other alley in the area,-the one between Bush and Main,. has no restrictions on it so that traffic can go both north and south,-and it is being used for service to the commercial estab- 1isfiments on Main Street as well as by .some of the residents on Bush. He said if the Palmyra alley can be re-signed so traffic will go westerly that will take care of the problem. He said the problem with shutting tfie alley is two-fold: 1) there are five residences that take access to it, and 2) a new concrete drainage area was just put in about a year ago, Commissioner Mason said she would not be present at the meeting of December 2, 1985, IN RE: ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m., to reconvene at a regular meeting on December 2,-19.85, at the CiYic Center Cquncil Chambers, 300 East Chapman Avenue;; Orange,-California. C7