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MINUTES
City of Orange
Orange, California
November 21, 1983
Monday, 7:30 p.m.
The regular meeting of the Orange City Planning Commission was called to order by
Chairman Hart at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
ABSENT: Commissioner Vasquez
STAFF Jere P. Murphy, Administrator of Current Planning and Commission Secretary;
PRESENT: Jack McGee, Associate Planner; Gary Johnson, City Engineer; Gene Minshew,
Assistant City Attorney; and Doris Ofsthun, Recording Secretary.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IN RE: APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OCTOBER 17, 1983 ANG NOVEMBER 7, 1983
Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Master, to approve
the minutes of October 17, 1983, as transmitted.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Mason, Master
NOES: Commissioners none
ABSENT: Commissioner Vasquez
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Greek MOTION CARP,IED
Commissioner Greek asked for two corrections to be made to the minutes
of November 7, 1983:
page 3, second paragraph, fifth sentence: "... concrete drop transmission..."
should be corrected to read: "transition".
page 14, sixth paragraph, eighth sentence down, "...if they accepted ..."
should be corrected to read: "excepted".
Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Greek, to approve
the minutes of November 7, 1983, as corrected.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason
NOES: Commissioners none
ABSENT: Commissioner Vasquez
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED OR WITHDRA4IN:
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT - LAND USE ELEMENT 2-83A, ZOPIE CHANGE 1009 -
MR. JESS FROST:
A proposal to change land use designations from Open Space and Low Density
Residential (2-6 units per acre) to High Density Residential (15-24 units
per acre) and rezone from R-1-7 (Single Family Residential, 7,000 square
foot minimum lot), FP-1 and FP-2 (Flood Plain Combining) Districts to RM-7
(Residential Multiple Family) and FP-2 (Flood Plain Combininq~) Districts
to accommodate an estimated 420 unit apartment complex on 26_ acres located
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November 21, 1983
Page Two
~ on the west side
Street). NOTE:
for this project.
1983. )
of Tustin Street at La Veta Avenue (580 South Tustin
Draft Environmental Impact Report 838 has been prepared
(This item is continued from the meeting of November 7,
Mr. Murphy explained that the applicant for this item has requested a
continuance to the next regular meeting on December 5th. However, since
the Commission is scheduled to hear a major public hearing on the Loma
Street/Imperial Highway extension and there are already three itdms scheduled
for hearing on December 19th, Mr. Murphy suggested that this matter be con-
tinued to a special meeting on December 12th.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, to continue
General Plan Amendment - Land Use Element 2-83A, Zone Change 1009 to
a special meeting on Monday, December 12, 7983.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: Commissioners none
ABSENT: Commissioner Vasquez MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: CONTINUED HEARINGS:
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1318, TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 83-768 - SANTA FE
LAND IMPROVEMENT COh1PANY:
A request to permit a 14,400 square foot addition to an existing 3,100
square foot building (former depot) for office and office/industrial
use in the industrial zone and permit compact parking spaces in excess
of 40 percent on property located at the northwest corner of Chapman Avenue
and Atchison Street (184-186 North Atchison Street). NOTE: Negative
Declaration 874 has been prepared in lieu of an Environmental Impact Report.
(This item is continued from the meeting of November 7, 1983.
t~1r. h1urphy explained to the Commission that this item was continued to
basically answer two questions which came up at the last hearing, that is
(1) how the property was zoned and (2) to clarify Condition #3 of the
Tentative Parcel Map. He then addressed the zone qu estion, stating that
the staff has researched the zoning on the property and found that the
original zoning maps of 1946 show this parcel to be zoned C-2 and M-1,
which is identical to the zoning across the street on Atchison to the east.
Therefore, the Commission could safely assume that the property is zoned
for commercial/industrial use at the present time.
He then explained that Condition #3 has been expanded into three parts in
order to further clarify it.
Chairman Hart referred to the zoning map of 1946, asking for an interpreta-
tion of where the boundary would be for the C-2 zone. Mr. Murphy explained
this in further detail.
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November 21, 1983
Page Three
~ Mr. Johnson then expanded upon Condition #3, first reading the original
condition and pointing out that this is a standard condition required
for all new development. He then read the second part regarding the
Chapman Avenue railroad crossing, stating that this would be the north side
of that since the railroad owns the property on both sides and there would
only be a need for improvement on the north side since the property on the
south is not owned by them. He then read the third section regarding the
removal of all poles and create underground utilities on Atchison Street
and Chapman Avenue. He explained that they are talking about the distribution
poles which are along Atchison Street on the west side. The ones on Chapman
Avenue will be removed as a part of a previously approved underground district.
He thought there should be clarifying language to the effect that this would
be carried out regardless of whether this project goes forward or not.
He then explained that the last portion of the condition states that those
poles shall be removed within the boundaries, as well as removing those
parallel to the railroad tracks crossing Chapman. He pointed out that it
is intended to underground the communications lines that are over by the
railroad right-of-way. He further explained that the only undergrounding that
is being requested is that across Chapman Avenue from the north side to the
south side, which will coincide with the previously approved Underground
District #8.
Mr. Murphy then explained that the plan on the board below that prepared by
the applicant was prepared by Jeff Purcell and shows an attempt by some
members of the historical society to retain the park and still have parking
immediately adjacent to Atchison Street. He then briefly presented this
plan to the Commission, explaining that this plan shows parking adjacent to
Atchison and also shows a new building to the right of the depot. The intent
is to retain as many of the trees as possible, along with the park's atmosphere.
There is a provision of only one row of parking immediately adjacent to
Atchison, which would require both entering the parking spaces and backing
out into the public street, which is not a desirable element.
Mr. Murphy stated that if there is a desire to retain the park, then the
Staff and applicant should be directed to look into alternatives that might
retain more of the grass and the park area. The staff feels that there is
a better alternative than the one presented by the opponents to the proposed
devel opment.
Chairman Hart opened the public hearing.
Dan Heinfeld, representing the applicant, stated that they had nothing to
add to what had already been said and that they could live with the conditions
as stated this evening.
Paul Clark, Orange, addressed the Commission, presenting a copy of the plan
which had just been presented by Mr. Murphy, to be placed in the official
record as Exhibit A. He explained that what they are attempting to show is
that there are alternatives to the proposal which has been presented by the
applicant. He pointed out that while there are much more beautiful areas
in the city, this park has added to the west end of Orange for many generations.
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November 21, 1983
Page Four
,~ He stated that this proposed alterna tive plan was put together by Mr.
Crusell and himself, Mr. Crusell being the former Chairman of the
Historic Advisory Committee, which put together the old house survey for
the city.
Mr. Clark explained that they are willing to compromise if the developers
are willing to compromise. He also spoke to the zoning question, asking
what the official zoning map is for the city - the antiquated one of 1946
or the zoning map which is handed to the public at the counter.
Chairman Hart explained that the information from the old map apparently
had not been transferred to the new map. However, the area is actually
designated as was explained by Mr. P-lurphy.
Dan Heinfeld, 44 Plaza Square, Orange, representing the architectural firm
planning this project, addressed the opponent's plan, stating that there are
a couple of obvious problems with it. He explained that they had gone to
great lengths to devise a parking lot which would save the majority of the
trees. He then pointed out the problems with the parking which had been
proposed in-the opponent's plan, He said that he appreciated the opponents'
wishes to try and retain the park, However, the real intent of the park is
as a softening of the edge of Chapman Avenue .and he felt that their proposal
maintains that soft edge.
Philip Brigandi, 2630 Hamilton, Orange, addressed the Commission, stating
that he has seen Mr. Crusell°s plan and feels it is another in a long list
of compromises. He pointed out that they are asked to give up a portion of
the depot, which has been proposed as a national historic landmark. He also
pointed out the differences between the new buildings being proposed as
compared to the depot's architecture. He felt that there is an uncompromising
attitude and lack of sensitivity on the part of the developers, both as to
the historic value of the park and what the citizens of Orange might like to
see there. He felt that giving up the park is a high price to pay to develop
that area.
Jeffrey Gwynne, Santa Fe Improvement Co., 5200 E. Sheila, Los Angeles,
addressed the Commission, reiterating that they had two reasons to develop
this property:
1. To move their offices to this area, and
2. To develop a viable and economically feasible plan for
the Santa Fe Improvement Company.
He felt that they have compromised from their original plan. The original
plan would not have kept all of the historical trees. But they have now
provided a plan whereby all but one of the trees will be preserved and that
one is diseased and must be taken down because of liability problems. Also,
according to their experts, they are providing enough soil area around the
trees so that they might continue to grow and thrive. They are also pro-
viding a setback in front of the development and will provide two park
benches in that area, which will help create a parklike atmosphere, more
pleasing than what is there now.
Planning Commission Minutes
November 21, 1983
Page Five
Mr. Gwynne said that they will not locate their offices or recommend that
spec space be built in that area if the park stays. At this time it attracts
a poor element of people and they will not allow their staff to walk past
that park. The area is at best marginal and they will do nothing but
improve the area. They cannot believe that there is opposition to this.
There being no one else to speak for or against this application, the
Chairman closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Master explained that even though he was not in attendance at
the last meeting, he has read the minutes and studied the property in great
detail, therefore feeling qualified to vote on this application.
Commissioner Greek asked Mr. Johnson if he had approved the entrances to the
parking lot, as shown on the applicant's proposal. Mr. Johnson responded
that he would have to defer to Mr. Murphy on this question because they
have only seen this once a t the staff meeting and at that time it did not
show the 30 foot buffer.
Mr. Murphy said it was his understanding that the traffic engineer has reviewed
the revised plan and has found it to be acceptable regarding the distance
for that location.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Master, to accept the
findings of the Environrnental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 874.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
Commissioners none
Commissioner Vasquez
MOTION CARRIED
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT
IN RE:
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Master, to approve
Conditional Use Permit 1318 and Tentative Parcel Pap 83-768, subject to
the conditions as indicated in the Staff Report, with the revisions made
to Condition #3 of the Tentative Parcel Map.
Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
Commissioners none
Commissioner Vasquez
NEW HEARINGS:
MOTION CARRIED
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1320 - FIRST SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH:
A request to expand a church in the RM-7 zone and to construct a two-story
building within 70 feet of an R-1 zone on the west side of Shattuck Place,
south of Collins Avenue.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 875 has been prepared for this project.
Planning Commission Minutes
November 21, 1983
Page Six
Jack McGee presented this application to the Commission, stating tha t
this parcel contains 1.48 acres of land on the west side of Shattuck Place,
south of Collins Avenue. The parcel has approximately 500 feet of frontage
on Shattuck Place and the site is currently occupied by two church buildings,
two temporary office structu4es and two parking areas.
Mr. McGee explained that the applicant is requesting to add to the existing
church facility in the RM-7 zone, and to develop a two-story building within
70 feet of an R-1 zone and use. The applicant proposes to construct an
11,543 square foot building. The first floor will contain a 3,848 square
foot gymnasium and 3,848 square feet of classroom space. The second floor
will also contain 3,848 square feet of classroom space. The building is
proposed to be located where the temporary structures and southerly parking
area are at present. The temporary buildings will be removed from the site
and a new parking area will be developed south of the proposed building.
Mr. McGee pointed out that the proposed two-story building is to be 35 feet
from the single family residential properties to the west and the zoning
ordinance places a maximum height of one story or 20 feet within 70 feet of
an R-1 zoned property. There will be no windows on the west side of the
building. However, an exterior doorway, landing and stairway are located
on the west elevation.
P~1r. McGee explained that most other structures in the general area are one-
story in height. He also explained that the proposed use is consistent with
the General Plan Land Use designation for the area.
Staff recommends that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the
Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 875.
Staff also recommends that Conditional Use Permit 1320 be approved, as it is
consistent with the Land Use Element of the General Plan and compatible with
surrounding land use and zoning. Conditional Use Permit is recommended to
be approved, subject to 12 conditions listed in the Staff Report.
Commissioner Greek referred to page 3 of the Staff Report, where the
applicant's statement refers to an "outdoor volleyball gymnasium ..."
asking for clarification on this. Mr. McGee thought that this might be
a typographical error,. since the proposal calls for a completely roofed
building.
Commissioner Mason asked for more clarification on a stairway which was
mentioned in the report, stating that she saw no recommendations in this
regard.
i~
Mr. McGee explained that this is only one of two ways out of the building
and is considered a secondary exit - not the primary exit, It would not be
used most of the time, probably only in an emergency.
Chairman Hart opened the public hearing,
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November 21, 1983
Page Seven
~ Bob Christoff, the designer of this project, addressed the Commission on
behalf of the applicant. He clarified that the gymnasium is completely
indoor, not outdoor. The stairway is a secondary exit and the primary exit
is fully enclosed and within the building. He then explained further the
design of the building, pointing out how the people would use the primary
exit between this building and the church itself.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Mrs. Coat, 760 N. Shattuck, Orange, addressed the Commission, stating that
she lives to the south of the property. She asked where the proposed parking
for the new building will be located and wondered if there will be any
windows or doors on the south side of the property. She also wondered if a
concrete wall would be erected between this property and the adjoining
residential property.
Mr. Christoff explained that the gymnasium will have no windows at all.
There will be two pairs of doors on the south side and on the east side off
of Shattuck. All parking will be on the south side between the gymnasium
and the adjoining property. He further explained that a concrete wall will
be constructed between their property and the adjoining neighbors, the wall
being six feet high and properly landscaped. He pointed out that all of the
lighting will be directed toward the gymnasium. They have directional
lighting which shines away from the adjoining properties.
There being no one else to speak for or against this proposal, the Chairman
closed the public hearing.
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Greek, to accept the
findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 875.
Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
Commissioners none
Commissioner Vasquez
MOTION CARRIED
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Mason, to approve
Conditional Use Permit 1320, for the reasons as stated by Staff and subject
to the conditions as listed in the Staff Report.
Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
Commissioners none
Commissioner Vasquez
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 8:20 p.m., to be reconvened to a regular
meeting on Monday, December 6, 1983, at 7:30 p.m., at the Civic Center
Council Chambers, 300 East Chapman Avenue, Orange, California, and thence
to a special meeting on Monday, December 12, 1983, at 7:30 p.m., at the
Civic Center Council Chambers, 300 East Chapman Avenue, Orange, California.