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City of Orange
Orange, California
PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES
December 17, 1984
Monday, 7:30 p. m.
The regular meeting of the City of Orange Planning Commission was called to
order by Chairman Hart at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
ABSENT: None
STAFF John Lane, Administrator of Current Planning and Commission Secre-
PRESENT: tary; Jim Reichert, Associate Planner; Gene Minshew, Assistant City
Attorney; Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and Toba V. Wheeler,
Recording Secretary.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Chairman Hart announced that due to the fact that he was losing his
voice, Vice Chairman Master would preside at the meeting.
IN RE: APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF DECEMBER 3, 1984
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Master, that
the minutes of December 3,-1984, be approved as recorded.
AYES:. Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
TENANT DISLOCATION IMPACT REPORT - ORANA TRAILER PARK
Discussion and action pertaining to a Tenant Dislocation Impact
Report prepared for the Orana Trailer Park located on the south
side of Chapman Avenue, approximately 150 feet west from Main
Street.
Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the memorandum
from Staff, and said there are only two decisions for the Planning
'~ Commission to make at this meeting: 1) whether or not the Tenant
Dislocation Impact Report is sufficient, and 2) whether or not the
relocation assistance plan is also going to be a requirement for
this conversion.
Vice Chairman Master opened the public hearing.
Dario Franceschi, broker for Ashwill-Snyder Company, representing
the present owner/seller of the property, said his client has
offered each tenant $500, plus $75 a year for each year of residence
at the trailer park, plus $100 a month for every month earlier that
they move within the six-months legal notice period.
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December 17, 1984
Page Two
Chairman Hart said he would like more evaluation of the matter. Mr.
Lane responded that the lack of evaluation was due to the lateness
of the submission as well as the .fact that it really had not been
required as an action of the Planning Commission. Chairman Hart
pointed out that some precedents have been established in previous
actions of a similar nature. Vtice Chairman Master said that perhaps
what Chairman Hart was referring to is that previous plans have been
.more elaborate and extensive. Commissioner Greek said it is diffi-
cult to receive a document at 5:00 p.m. that requires action on the
same evening when there's nothing that has been approved as an offer.
He suggested that time might be saved if a copy of the Lamplighter
proposal, a plan in connection with another mobile home park tenant
dislocation that was acceptable to the City, might be given to Mr.
Franceschi so he could see the items that are missing from the
current proposed plan. He said he feels the current proposal is
premature and inadequate and there should be more documentation
and recommendations presented at a public hearing.
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Richard L. Sp ix, an attorney with the Senior Citizens Legal Advisory
Program, 2T00 North Main Street, Santa Ana, representing the resi-
dents of Orana Trailer Park, spoke regarding compliance with the
conversion impact report and said the report is inadequate because:
1) it fails to address adequacy of vacant spaces in the alternative
parks listed, 2) no quantified otal`of vacant spaces is''disclosed,
3) there is no discussion of homeowners loss of equity on cost of
moving or affordability of rents in other parks, 4) the-only alter-
native parks mentioned are in other counties, and 5) there is no
demographic profile on the homeowners, the age and condition of
their homes or the resale potential of their homes. He said that
without this information an informed decision on the part of the
Planning Commission is impossible. He pointed out additional non-
compliance with legal requirements in actions of this nature and
urged the Planning Commission to think of his clients` health and
welfare in reaching its decision. He said that before the Planning
Commission can approve a project it -must be found to be consistent
with the City General Plan including the City's housing element,
and this project cannot be consistent with the conservation of a
maximum number of affordable housing units as required by the City's
housing element, so the City cannot convert its existing mobile
home parks to employment generators consistent with State housing
element laws without considering the environmental consequences.
Several residents of the Orana Trailer Park.--Blanche Karosky, Ruth
Reimer, and Francis Hartco--as well as Bill Gullidge representing
resident Louis Bata, spoke of the hardships they would experience
in having to vacate their present premises and move to another
location.
Ted Edwards, current owner of the trailer park, said that the
financial offer made to the residents was outlined by a county-wide
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December l7, 1984
Page Three
non-profit agency that deals with this type of problem. He paid
he also investigated the cost of moving the mobile homes and the
top charge would be $1400, only $200 more than the $1200 offered
to the homeowners.
Chairman Hart pointed out the disparity between the actual length
of residence claimed by some homeowners and the length of residence
listed for them in Mr. Franceschi's report. Commissioner Greek
noted that twa reports had been submitted by Mr. Franceschi and
they are not in agreement with each other as to this and other
pertinent information. He informed Mr. Franceschi what information
is needed by the Planning Commission, none of which is included in
his report. Vice Chairman Master said that since the information
received by the Planning. Commission is inadequate he feels this
matter should be postponed until the Planning Commission has
received an alternate proposal from Mr. Franceschi and has time
to review it. Commissioner Greek pointed out that the concerns
voiced by Mr. Spix on behalf of the homeowners are valid concerns
and would be satisfied if this matter were handled in the same
fashion as the Lamplighter project. He gave Mr. Franceschi a copy
of the Lamplighter report..
Vice Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Vice Chairman Master, that
this matter be continued to the meeting of February 20, 1985,. and
that the property owner be required to update the Tenant Dislocation
Impact Report similar to the one used for the Lamplighter project,
which was approved by the City Council., and furnish the Planning
Commission with this new Tenant Dislocation Impact Report in plenty
of time before the February 20 meeting for the Planning Commission
to .review and evaluate it.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES:- None MOTION CARRIED
Mr. Minshew pointed out that government code requires that the
tenants of the mobile home park must receive this report at least
fifiteen days prior to the hearing. Chairman Hart asked Mr. Franceschi
to send a copy of the new report to the tenants at least 15 days prior
to the February 20 hearing and at the same time remind them of the
date of the hearing. Mr. Franceschi agreed. to do this.
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT - LAND USE ELEMENT 1-84-A, ZONE CHANGE 1011
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1326 - WESTERN NATIONAL PROPERTIES
Proposed redesignation of the General Plan Land Use Element from
Major Commercial to High Density Residential, rezoning from C-2
(General Business) to RMM6 (Residential Maximum Multiple Family)
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December 17, 1984
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and a Conditional Use Permit for a density bonus to construct 572
apartment units with 500-square-foot dwellings, three-story con-
struction and compact parking spaces on approximately 19 acres
situated at the northwest corner of Garden Grove Boulevard and
The City Drive.
NOTE: Environmental Impact Report 884 has been prepared for this
project.
Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report.
Commissioner Greek. questioned the amount of median income from which
both low and moderate income figures were derived. Mr. Lane responded
that current median income is $37,000, so with the Health and Safety
Code definitions of low income as 80% of the median and moderate
income as 120% of the median, low income would be $30,327.20 and
moderate income would be $45,490. Commissioner Master questioned an
item in a letter from William K. Davis, Davis Developments, 1400
Bristol Street North, Newport Beach, regarding the height of a
building he proposes to erect on his property which is across the
street from the site on which this project is proposed to be built.
Mr. Lane responded that the eight- to ten+storyy building being con-
sidered by Mr. Davis is conceivably possible but he believes it
would undoubtedly require some discretionary permit because his
previous plan showed a four-story building. He said that if the
zoning on the property under consideration in this°item is.approved
for residential, then the location of Mr. Davis' proposed building
will be 150 feet from the nearest residential zone, which would
mean a heightldistance-from-residential relationship of four to one,
and therefore, technically, if the rezoning occurs, Mr. Davis could
build only about 38 feet high, which isn't even-four stories. Mr.
Lane said he thinks Mr. Davis could argue that he already had a
four-story building approved on the prior Conditional Use Permit,
but certainly if he wanted to go more than four stories he would
have a real problem., He said there is no question that if this
rezoning occurs, it will have an effect on Mr. Davis' property;
however, Mr. Davis could file a Conditional Use Permit for a height
variance ands-the deve1~opers~of the proposed apartment complex under
discussion could indicate support of Mr. Davis' project.
Vice Chairman faster opened the public hearing.
David Stone, Chairman of Western National Properties, 630 The City
Drive.South, Orange, the applicant, said he would go on record .that
Western National Properties will be supportive of Mr. Davis' project.
Mr. Scone gave a brief description of the proposed project and out-
lined the developer's plans., following which there was a ten-minute
slide presentation featuring another project by the same developer
to which this proposed project will be similar. Michael Hayde, also
of Western National Properties, gave a brief history of the project
since the developer's initial involvement in the area approximately
eight. years ago when the first 30 acres were acquired and developed
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December 17, 1984
Page Five
into 312 units of duplexes and apartments. He said they were very
interested in acquiring the present site when it went up for sale
2Z years ago and subsequently were joined by J. C. Penney Company
in a joint venture partnership to develop what they consider will
be a fine residentia'i community. He outlined architectural plans
which would be developed along the lines of the first duplex/apartment
complex resulting in a 47.3-acre residential community with an overall
density of 18.7 units to the acre. He discussed median .income and
pointed out that this project would be affordable housing. He said
the developers met,~with Mr.'Davis ~lix or eight months ago and dis-
cussed this project and at that time Mr. Davis had no problems with
it, and that when he heard last week that Mr. Davis did have a
problem now, he contacted him and assured him that they are fully
in favor of the development of his office park across the street
from their project and, in fact, feel it will furnish potential
tenants for them. In response to a question from .Commissioner Mason
regarding building heights in the proposed apartment complex, Mr.
Hayde said there are three-story buildings only in the center portion
and all the street-side buildings are two stories high. Commissioner
Mason also asked regarding units for the handicapped and Mr. Hayde
responded that the iapartment complex will meet the requirements
for percentage of units equipped for the handicapped. Mr. Lane
said he believes there will be sixteen of these units.
Carl McLaren, 695 Town Center Drive, Costa Mesa, the architect for
Mr. Davis said he has two areas of concern: 1) the impact to Mr.
Davis' project, and 2) the impact to the City. He said they would
prefer another commercial usage in that area and feels the site
would afford the City another opportunity to have additional office
buildings.. Other persons speaking in opposition to the project were
Edward Low., president of the Lampson Elementary School Parent-Teacher
Association, who said that there is already overcrowding at the
school and a traffic problem which would be increased by additional
residents •, Anna Fairchild, 16272 Arletta Circle, Garden Grove, .who
said there is no way to bus children out of the district and there
is no room at Lampson Elementary School; and Clyde Hersinger, 2717
North Patty Lane, Santa Ana, who said his home lies directly south
of the proposed project and he objects to the density, the three-
story units and the potential of .increased traffic.
frrr Howard B. Jones, 2`1.00 West Orangewood, Anaheim, a real estate broker
with Coldwe1l-Banker, the realty firm which sold the property, said
he had been trying unsuccessfully for three years to lease this
property to another commercial outfit after The Treasury-went out
of business.
Vice Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed.
Mowed by Comm,ilssioner~Meson, seconded by Chairman Hart,. that the
Planning Commission approve Environmental Impact Report 884 as
acceptable and certified..
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December 17, 1984
Page Six
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Greek questioned the 1.6 maximum professional population
quoted by Mr. Hayde and was told by Tom Holm, Director of Environ-
mental Planning for Phillips-Grant-Reddick, that that is the correct
figure and it is reasonable for this type of development. Chairman
Hart commented that he does not see the overcrowding of the schools
as a valid argument against this project because, in fact, there are
schools being closed.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that
the Planning Commission accept°the amendment to the General Plan,
Land Use Element 1-84-A, from Major Industrial to High Density
Residential.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason
NOES: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that
the Planning Commission approve Zone Change 1011 from C-2 to RMM6.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason
NOES:. Commissioner Master
MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Mason noted that on the plot plan it shows three-story
units along Garden Grove Boulevard and The City Drive, contrary to
Mr. Hayde`s c1 aim that three-story units will be erected only in
the center portion of the development. Discussion on this followed,
with the developers agreeing that this can be changed. Commissioner
Greek pointed out that Standard Condition 4-C calls for special
locking devices (both inside and outside-.key) as approved by the
Police Department, whereas the Fire Department prefers only outside
locking devices (single key deadbolt), and he feels that in the
interest of easy evacuation in case of fire the single-key deadbolt
device is better.
Moved by Commissioner creek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that
the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit 1325, with
a revision in Standard Condition No. 4-A that no key be required
on the inside (single-key deadbolt), and with the condition that
there be no three-story units erected along Garden Grove Boulevard
and that any three-story units along The City Drive be set back at
least 60' from the property line.
AYES:. Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason
NOES: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT - LAND USE ELEMENT 4-84-A - GARDNER CHESLEY
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December 17, 1984
Page Seven
TRUST AND THE CITY OF ORANGE
Proposed redesignation of the Land Use Element from High Density
Residential to Local Commercial on approximately four acres situated
on the west side of Glassell Street, south from LaVeta Avenue.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 929 has been prepared for this project.
Chairman Hart excused himself from this portion of the meeting due
to personal involvement with the item to be discussed.
The presentation was made by Stan Soo-Hoo, Administrator of Advance
Planning.
Vice Chairman Master opened the public hearing~.~.
Randall Fairbairn, representing the owners of the property, said he
thinks the Staff Report is very complete and he has no problems.
Vice Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner. Mason, that
the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental
Review Board to file Negative Declaration 929.
AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Commissioner Hart MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that
the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council that it approve
General P1 an Amendment 4-84-A for the reasons given in the Staff
Report.
AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Commissioner Hart MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Hart was recalled to the meeting.
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT - LAND USE ELEMENT 4-84-B, ZONE CHANGE 1020 -
Proposed redesignation of the Land Use Element from Local Commercial
to High Density Residential and rezoning from C-2 (General Business)
to RMM6 (Residential Maximum Multiple Family) on approximately 1.5
acres on the west side of Olive Street between Chapman Avenue and
Maple Avenue.
NOTE:. Negative Declaration 930 has been prepared for this project.
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Page Eight
Mr. Lane made the presentation.
Vice Chairman Master opened the public hearing.
Applicant Don Ebberts, Ebberts Construction Company, said he agreed
with the Staff Report and has no problems.
Vice Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed.
Moved by Chairman Hart, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the
Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review
Board to file Negative Declaration 930.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Chairman Hart, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the
Planning Commission recommend to .the City Council that it approve
General Plan Amendment 4-84-A for the reasons given in the Staff
Report.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Chairman Hart, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the
Planning Commission approve Zone Change 1020 from C-2 to RMM6.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1386 - SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON COMPANY
Proposed helistop at the Southern California Edison Serrano Sub-
station situated approximately 2300 feet northeast from the inter-
section of Loma Street and Mesa Drive.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 948 has been prepared for this project.
Mr. Lane made the presentation. Vice Chairman Master asked if the
City of Villa Park has been informed of this matter and Mr. Lane
responded that a notice was sent to the City of Villa Park but as
yet no reply has been received.
Vice Chairman Master opened the public hearing.
Pat Buttress, representing Southern California Edison Company, said
this would be a new helistop to ensure continuity and quality of
electric service. He said it would probably be used for only four
daytime flights per month. A discussion followed regarding the
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December 17, 1984
Page Nine
flight patterns and direction of takeoffs and landings and the possible
effect on residences in the area.
Vice Chairman Master delcared the public hearing closed.
Moved by Chairman Hart, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the
Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review
Board to file Negative Declaration 948.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Chairman Hart, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the
Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit 1386, with the
addition of a third Condition stating that takeoffs and landings
should be to the east unless wind conditions don't permit.
AYES:. Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: OTHER BUSINESS
MEMORANDUM TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FROM CITY COUNCIL RE SELF-STORAGE
DEVEL PMENT
Mr. Lane said a copy of this memorandum was sent to the Planning
Commission only as a matter of information.
IN RE: LETTER FROM RESIDENT OF ORANGE RE PGSSIBLE .DRUG STORE
Mr. Lane presented a letter from Lillian R. Lejeune, 2344 Beatom Way,
Orange, requesting that the R1anning Commission look into the possi-
bility of having a drugstore come into the West Orange area. Chairman
Hart said it is not the business of the Planning Commission to solicit
possible businesses. Mr. Minshew suggested that the matter be referred
to the Chamber of Commerce.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Chairman Hart, that a letter
be sent by the Planning Department to Mrs. Lejeune thanking her for
her concern and informing her that her letter will be referred to the
Orange Chamber of Commerce because this matter is not in the purview
of the Planning Commission.
AYES: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: OTHER BUSINESS
MEMORANDUM FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT
Mr. Lane presented a memorandum from Rey Montoya, Captain/Deputy
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December 17, 1984
Page Ten
Fire Marshal, informing the Planning Commission that the rounded
curbing planned for the Fire Department turnaround in Tentative
Tract No. 10653: meets with the approval of the Fire Department.
IN RE: OTHER BUSINESS
REQUESTS FOR EXTENSION OF TIME
Mr. Lane presented requests for extension of time in connection with
Tentative Tract No. 10233, Site No. 25; Tentative Tract No. 10112,
and Tentative Tract No. 12299. The following action was taken:
a. Tentative Tract No. 10233, Site 25 - hearing set for January 7, 1985.
b. Tentative Tract No. 10112 - hearing set for January 7, 1985.
c. Tentative Tract No. 12299 - hearing set for February 4, 1985.
IN RE: ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 10:45 p.m. to reconvene to a regular
meeting on Monday, January 7, 1985, at 7:30 p.m., at the Civic Center
Council Chambers, 300 East Chapman Avenue, Orange, California.
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