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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2/4/1985 - Minutes PCPLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES City of Orange February 4, 1985 Orange, California Monday, 7:30 p. m. The regular meeting of the City of Orange Planning Commission was called to order by Chairman Hart at 7:30 p.m. PRESENT: Commissioners Hart, Greek, Mason, Master, Scott ABSENT: None STAFF John Lane,. Administrator of Current Planning and Commission Secre- PRESENT: tary; Jim Reichert, Associate Planner; Gene Minshew, Assistant City Attorney; Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and Toba V. Wheeler, Recording Secretary. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN RE: ELECTION OF OFFICERS Chairman Hart said that since he has served two consecutive years it is necessary to elect a new Chairman. Commissioner Greek nom- inated Vice Chairman Master for Chairman. Since there were no other nominations, Chairman-Hart asked for a unanimous ballot and declared Commissioner Master to be Chairman. Chairman Master nom- inated Commissioner Mason for Vice Chairman. Since there were no other nominations,.Commissioner Hart asked for a unanimous ballot and declared Commissioner Mason to be Vice Chairman. Commissioner Hart then turned the meeting over to Chairman Master. IN RE: CONTINUED HEARINGS ZONE CHANGE 1023, TENTATIVE TRACT 12299, VARIANCE 1751 - BARNETT NOWLING A. Proposed zone change from A-1 to R-1-12 (12,000-square-foot minimum lot size) in order to develop an l'8-lot residential subdivision which will vary from the required minimum lot widths on 15 lots,. and to amend the Orange Park Acres Plan from Open Space and Recreation to Residential Medium-Low Density; or B. Proposed zone change from A-1 to R-1-E (one acre minimum lot size) and to amend the Orange Park Acres Plan from Open Space and Recreation to Residential Low-Density - one acre, on two irregularly-shaped parcels of land containing 8.7 acres located northwest of Windes Drive between Santiago Creek and Waterton Avenue (the old Villa Park Country Club site). This matter is continued from the January 21, 1985, meeting. +~ `~ NOTE:. Negative Declaration 944 has been prepared for this project. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Two Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said that at the January 21 meeting area residents had asked that they have the opportunity to consider a) the project in relation to equestrian trails through the area, b) the relation- ship of this area to the Orange Park Acres P1 an, and c) the County`s intentions regarding the possible expansion of the regional park. He said there was also some question about the appropriateness of the negative declaration in lieu of a full environmenta1.impact report and the mitigation measures contained in the negative declaration. In addition, on January 31, a phone call was received by Staff from the Orange County Harbors, Beaches and Parks Department indicating that it had just become aware of the tentative map and was quite concerned about not having been given an opportunity to review it, requesting that a map be sent immediately. Staff was informated that the next meeting of the Harbors, Beaches and Parks Commission would be February 27 and if comments or recommendations to the City of Orange resulted from that meeting they would have to be sent through the County Board of Supervisors, which would not meet until March 12. Mr. Lane pointed out that Staff did send a copy of .the tentative .map to the County Environmental Management Agency on November 14, 1984, and received a letter concerning it from the County Regula- tions Division on December 20, which fact was incorporated into .the Staff Report sent to the Planning Commission prior to its January 21 meeting. He said that in view of the comments by the Harbors, Beaches and Park staff on behalf of that commission, it would be appropriate to consider continuance in order to give that body an opportunity to comment to the Board of Supervisors fora subsequent recommendation to the City of Orange; however, the Planning Commission could choose to move forward at this meeting. Mr. Lane said Staff feels that although the Harbors, Beaches and Parks Commission should have had the opportunity to comment, it probably would not be appropriate to move forward at this time because the politics involved in this County request are such that it would do not`real service to the City Council to have to wrestle with the problems. He said the County must have some concerns and issues that it feels it has to explore and it would be to the developer's advantage as well if the County had a71 the i nformati on . Chairman Master reiterated Mr. Lanes comments regarding the dates involved and pointed out that the matter would then not come up at the Planning Commission until its March 18 meeting. He asked if there is any time frame on the filing of the project and Mr. Lane responded that if there is a continuance, action should be with ttte concurrence of the applicant because of the State 50-day statutory period for acting on maps.. Commissioner Hart pointed out that he was not at the January 21 meeting and asked for Mr. t this meetin t t bili ' g. e a o vo ty s opinion regarding his a Minshew Mr. Minshew recommended that neither Commissioner Hart nor Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Three Chairman Master should vote since they had not listened to the tapes of the January 21 meeting. Chairman Master opened the public hearing for purposes of dis- cussion on the continuance only. Pat Capp, J. P. Capp & Associates, Civil Engineers, 15892 Pasadena Avenue, Tustin, representing the developer, said that even if the discussion is for continuance only, he would request that the public hearing be opened for review of the project. `He said he and his client feel they have a strong case for approval of the project and would like an action on the zone change and tentative tract map at this meeting rather than a continuance. Chairman Master pointed out that since neither he nor Commissioner Hart would be able to vote, the same three Commission members who were present at the January 21 meeting would be rehearing the matter and revoting; therefore, he felt a review would be unnecessary. He asked Mr. Capp if he was saying that he was willing to make the presentation again and run the risk of getting a "no" vote again;, and Mr. Capp said he and his client were willing. Marlene Fox, 3919 Westerly Place, Newport Beach, attorney repre- renting Mr. and Mrs. Amos Deacon who own the property on Windes Drive that is directly across the creek from the property on which the tentative tract is proposed to be built, said she did a lot of investigating since the January 21 meeting and has found a number of things with regard to the continuance that were not made available to her client. She urged that the matter be con- tinued for input from the County. She said she learned there is County property involved because the only access to the tract would require an easement across County property in order to construct the proposed bridge. She said the County would not have requested time to review the matter if it did not feel it had some concerns and recommendations for the Planning Commission and she requested that the matter be continued so that the Plan- ning Commission could have all the input that would enable it to make an informative decision. Commissioner Greek asked Ms. Fox what type of information she thinks the County would add that would help the Planning Com- mission make a decision on zoning. Ms. Fox said she feels the City has made an inadequate environmental assessment of the proposed project including the zoning and feels that a more comprehensive environmental impact report should be made prior to any decision on a zone change or variance. She told Commis- sioner Greek that his statement at the January 21 meeting to the effect that an environmental impact report wouldn't have .much influence one way or the other was wrong since he couldn't really know that until the information was in front of him and at this time the information is not ~vailab1e. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Four Commissioner Greek said Ms. Fox misunderstood him at the last meeting, that what he was referring to was her comment that the hydrology report would have an impact on the zoning and his position was that hydrology is an engineering technical problem and really doesn't have an impact on zoning--it has an impact on whether or not property can be developed not whether or not it can be zoned. Ms. Fox said that Commissioner Greek must have misunderstood her., that what she was suggesting was not that it was not feasible or possible to develop the property but that before zone changes or variances could be determined, environ- mental impact of developing property in a flood plain must be considered. .She said the Commission does not have answers to a number of environmental questions and that indeed these questions have not even been asked since there is no data to support the conclusions on the check list made after the initial study, that she has found nothing in the City's files on this matter to show that there has been any sort of assessment of the impact of developing in an FP-2 zone in a flood plain. She said that even though Mr. Capp represented to the Commission that he submitted a hydrology report, she learned that this report is only engin- eering calculations that were not given to the Planning Department because the City Engineer said the Planning Department would not understand them. She said the Commission has obligations under the California Environmental Quality Act and must first deal with these obligations before it can deal with zoning, variances and tract maps. Chairman Master pointed out that the public hearing was opened for the purpose of dealing with continuance only, not for another discussion of environmental impact. Ms. Fox said she understood that and what she is requesting is that continuance be approved because she feels County input will be important and will shed more light on the environmental issues that should be considered before any decisions are made. Chairman Master said that his ahd~xstandTng is that if the applicant is not irr favor of continu.- ~nce the Commission cannot vote on continuance but must either approve or disapprove the application at this meeting. Mr. Lane said if the applicant does not agree to the continuance, the Commision must either approve or deny the map. Mr. Minshew pointed out that the action of the Commision is a recommendation to the City Council for its action. Mr. Capp reiterated that he and his client oppose any action for continuance and request action on the zone change and tentative tract at this meeting. He requested the opportunity to repeat his presentation that was made at the January 21 meeting in order to .refresh the memories of the three Commissioners present at that meeting. Chairman Master asked Commissioners Greek, Mason and Scott if they needed to hear the presentation again and they said they didn't. Mr. Minshew asked if the Commission was satisfied with the adequacy of the environmental impact report on the negative declaration Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Five since it is a matter that will be pursued when the application comes before the City Council. Commissioner Mason said she would prefer. to wait for the input from the County before she makes a positive decision and if the matter is not continued then she would have to vote to deny it. Commissioner Scott said he agreed and if the County has asked to have input then the Commission would be amiss without waiting to receive it. Commissioner Greek said he feels the Staff Report is~adquate:to accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board and"fie feels he can make a decision on the zoning based on both his knowledge of this property and his experience in dealing with the County when it was consider- ing acquisition of the property two or three years ago. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 944. AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSTAINED:. Commissioners Mastery': Hart MOTION CARRIE D Moved by Commissioner Greek, .seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission recommend denial of Zone Change 1023. AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSTAINED: Commissioners Master, Hart MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning Commission recommend denial of Tentative Tract 12299 and Variance 1751. AYES:. Commissioners, Greek, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSTAINED:. Commissioners Master, Hart MOTION CARRIED IN RE: CONTINUED HEARINGS ZONE CHANGE 1027, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1391 - TOYOTA OF ORANGE Zone change from R-1-6 and M-H to C-1, and Conditional Use Permit to expand an auto dealership on approximately .8 acres situated at the southwest corner of Tustin Street and Trenton Avenue. This matter is continued from the January Z1, 1985, meeting. a NOTE:. Negative Declaration 952 has been prepared for this project. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Six Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and pointed out that this was continued from the January 21 meet- ing because the Planning Commission wanted a) to see the final configuration of the dealership and the mobile home park as they will be with the new property boundary lines, b) a traffic analysis to be done for the proposed relocation of the driveway to Trenton including the relocation of the mobile home park entry and exit and the new entry and exit f.or Toyota of Orange, and c) wanted more detailed information regarding the proposed location of a median strip on the Trenton Avenue right-of-way. He said Staff forwarded this information to the Commission late last week, including a report on traffic and circulation which was prepared by Justin Farmer, a transportation consultant hired by the property owner. He said that subject to the Commission's review of the additional information, Staff recommends approval of the proposed zone change and conditional use permit subject to the 20 conditions that were originally contained in the Staff Report, with revisions to Conditions 1 and 2 as contained in the February 1 memorandum sent to the Planning Commission, deletion of Condition 4, and additionally the two conditions that were listed in the City Traffic Engineer's report of February 1. Chairman Master asked for verification that what is before the Planning Commission is the zone change and conditional use permit only and not the proposed eventual cul-de-sac installation on Trenton Avenue. Mr. Lane said this is correct. Commissioner Hart excussed himself from the action on this matter due to conflict of interest. Chairman Master said that since he was not present at the January 21 meeting and had not listened to the tape of that meeting, he would abstain from voting on this matter. Commissioner Greek asked if it is correct that the tentative map eliminates the panhandle from the mobile home park to Tustin but replaces it with a panhandle from the mobile home park to Trenton so the Commission will not be creating a land-locked parcel. Mr. Lane responded that the present access to the mobile home park running east and west between Tustin and the park will become the property of Toyota of Orange and a new access point for the mobile home park will be built to Trenton, 35' wide and runing in a north/ south direction with either a right turn or left turn possibility onto Trenton. Robin Leiter, Redevelopment Director, said she met with the owners of Toyota of Orange and indicated Commissioner'Greek's concern about creating a land-locked parcel, and Toyota indicated its willingness to deed that parcel to the mobile home park so they would irr fact have access to Trenton. It was d~ter~ined that a port,on.of. Parcel F would go in with Parcel E and the result will be that Parcels A and B will become Parcel 1, Parcels C and D and the easterly portion of Parcel F will become Parcel 2 and the balance of Parcel F and Parcel E will become Parcel 3, and that the lot line adjustment procedure can be used per the change in wording of Condition 2 from "parcel map" to "lot line adjustment." Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 - Page Seven In response to a question from Commissioner Mason, Ms. Leiter said that if Trenton is made into a cul-de-sac it would be done to the east of Parcel F, but if in fact such action is taken it would be done with an abandonment process and therefore would be handled by the City Council rather than the Planning Commission unless the City Council wished to hear the Commission's recommendations. Commissioner Scott brought up the matter of the proposed median strip which was referred to at the January 21 meting as being two feet wide but which, he noted, is shown as four feet wide in the February l memorandum received by the Commission from the Traffic Engineer. Mr. Lane said Staff feels that four feet is too wide and the same result could be achieved .with two feet or even with one foot since the only purpose of the median. would be to deter left-hand turns onto Trenton in the exit from Toyota. Mr. Johnson was asked for his opinion and he said he has-not discussed this with Mr. Dennis, the Traffic Engineer.y but he feels Mr. Dennis would accept two feet. Commissioner Greek commented on the lack of mention of the proposed median in Mr. Farmer`s report. Ms. Leiter said Mr. Farmer recommended that there not be a median. Commissioner Greek a1 so questioned as to the usage of the westerly access in and out of Toyota being used only for vehicle transport unloading since there seemed to be some ambiguity about that in the Traffic Engineer's report. Norris Bishton, 2029 Century Park East, Los Angeles, attorney for Toyota of Orange, said he received a copy of Mr. Dennis` report and had hoped to meet with him today but unfortunately Mr. Dennis was not at work due to the death of his mother. He said he thought the issue had been resolved by Mr. Dennis and Mr. Farmer at their meeting on Friday so he was surprised to see the information in Mr. Dennis' report. He said Toyota of Orange is trying to elim- inate traffic problems not create new ones, and Mr. Farmer feels that putting a median strip onto Trenton Avenue would create a traffic hazard and his recommendation is to design the exit from Toyota of Orange to force people to make a right-hand turn and prevent them from making a left-hand turn. He said the installs--- tion of a median would prevent the car carriers-:.from exitingonto Trenton and for~them to try to back out onto Tustin Street would be exceedingly unsafe. He said he feels there is no need for a ® median just to prevent left turns out of Toyota onto Trenton because that exit would be used only by car carriers and people who have picked up their cars for servicing; as to the former they would have no interest in turning left onto Trenton and as to the latter, he feels those people would rarely be interested in turning left onto Trenton. He said that since he feels the median would be only an interim measure until the proposed cul- de-sac could be accomplished, it seems unnecessary to install it. He recommended that the median not be installed and that instead the Commission review the traffic situation in six months, by which time he feels the cul-de-sac will have been approved, and if the cut-de-sac has not been approved by that time, then a median installation could be recommended if the traffic has warranted it. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Eight Commissioner Greek said he has a problem with the fact that two weeks ago Staff asked for a median and Commissioner Scott asked for the median design, yet Mr. Farmer has not complied with these requests. Mr. Bishton reiterated that he thought the matter had been resolved in the meeting between Mr. Dennis and Mr. Farmer, but apparently it has not. He recommended that the Commission approve Mr. Farmer"s solution of the problem as the safer of .the two. .Commissioner Greek asked again for clarification of the use of the westerly driveway out of Toyota. Mr. B ishton responded that both westerly and easterly driveways will have electrically controlled gates but that the westerly driveway will be used only as a storage area and the car carriers will exit via the westerly driveway., the one closest to Tustin Street. Carl Peace, 1414 E. Trenton Avenue, pointed out that if a median is installed, taking up 12' for a 10'~foot~wide traffic lane and a two-foot-wide median, there wouldn`t be enough room left on Trenton for two lanes of traffic and a parking area, particularly of some of the traffic consisted of_vans and recreational vehicles and especially since the street curved at that point. He also presented an alternative suggestion for a driveway from the mobile home park onto Vanowen rather than onto Trenton. Chairman Master asked for information on this and Mr. Johnson said he believes it is intended that the section of curbing in that area will be designated a no-parking area and the balance of the street on the other side of the proposed median would be two 12' lanes of traffic, one westbound and one eastbound. Commissioner Mason said the Commission still has not seen any diagram showing where the proposed median would be placed. Mr. Johnson said he has not seen that himself but his intention is that it would begin at Tustin Street and go westerly to the west end of Parcel B and not continue across Parcel F so that the resi- dents of the mobile home park could turn either right or left when exiting but anybody exiting from Parcels C and D would have to turn right and could not enter from the east. Commissioner Mason asked for the true location of the curve in the street since the various maps seems to be in disagreement. Mr. Johnson responded that the curve starts at about the easterly edge of the 35' marks and continues easterly through a reverse curve. He said there would be striping preceding the reverse curve so traffic would be directed into the lane rather than hitting the median without warning. Commissioner Mason asked if he would recommend a two-foot median or a four-foot median and he responded that a two-foot median would be in order. He said he also recommended Mr. Farmer's suggestion for a 30° angle on the easterly driveway whether or not a median would be installed. Mr. Peace commented that if .that portion of Trention has no parking along the curb the swim school patrons will be forced to park further Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Nine down on Trenton thus making the situation even worse for the resi- dents of Trenton. He also questioned the ability of a car carrier to make a right turn onto Trenton if the median is installed. Chairman Master responded that the turn radii established by the California Division of Highways were taken into consideration in planning the median, the angle of the exit driveway and the turning envelope within which a tractor/trailer rig could negotiate the turn. Mr. Peace asked if there would be a tonnage limit placed on Trenton and Mr. Johnson responded that if Trenton would continually experience a heavier load than normal it may require upgrading the pavement. Tracy Green, 908 East Trenton, asked how conversion to a cul-de-sac would affect her ability to get in and out of Trenton without being able to go to Tustin Street since Cambridge Street at the other end of Trenton is already heavy with traffic, especially with the added traffic to and from the mobile home park that would then also not have access to Tustin Street. Mr. Johnson responded that the report indicates 720 daily trips generated by the mobile home park and this might increase .the flow of traffic by 30% but it would still be con- siderably less than what would be considered to be an arterial or collector type of .road and it would still be considered a local street. He said. an abandonment study would have to complete the present study as to what the needs would be, what the traffic volume are now and what they would be as a result of conversion to a cul-de-sac. Robert Koenig, 1439 East Trenton, asked by what action and by whom would the six-month review be initiated. Chairman Master said the recommendation that such action take place would have to be approved and put into the minutes, that such action would have to be initiated by the City of Orange and the applicant not the residents of Trenton, but that if the residents desire such action they may make comments to the City and request review. Mr. Koenig also spoke in favor of prohibiting parking along Trenton within the curved portion of the street leading to Tustin Street. Commissioner Greek pointed out that only the applicant has suggested a six-month review but so far nothing on that has been decided. He-said that if the Planning Commission decides it wants to do this, Staff will initiate the action six months from now and there will be another hearing. Mr. Koenig asked if residents of Trenton will be notified of such an action from the list recently submitted to the Planning Department or if another list has to be submitted. Mr. Lane responded that the list already submitted will be maintained for future use. Commissioner Mason said she is concerned about parking for the swim school, espec'ia11y if Trenton is converted to a cul-de-sac. Mr. Johnson said that if Tenton were to be abandoned, it would include the swim school as muse; in other words, it would be relocated. He said when the school was put in it was required to .provide on-site parking but it appears now that what they have Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Ten is not enough and so they are using Trenton; therefore, if part of Trenton is declared a no-parking area it would indeed have the effect of pushing swim school parking down into the residential area. Ms. Leiter said the plan of the Redevelopment Agency is to relocate the swim school away from its present site and at that time Toyota of Orange would expand its facilities across Trenton Avenue into that area. Commissioner Greek asked of the Redevelopment Agency is buying the swim school. Ms. Leiter said that Toyota of Orange is currently attempting to negotiate the acquisition of that property and if it goes through, the Redevelopment Agency is willing to assist in the acquisition and she thinks that is why one of the conditions of the Planning Department is to wait fora six-month period to see if in fact the acquisition goes ahead as planned and then, assuming the residents agree and the public hearing is such thai; people want that street converted to a cul-de-sac, the median would become superfluous. Commissioner Greek pointed out that there is no six-month condition and the assumption on the part of some of the parties concerned that there is such a condi- tion is one of the things that is confusing the issue. Ms. Leiter said she believes that Condition No. 1 in Mr. Yamasaki's report of February 1 states that traffic control design would be installed within six months of approval of the application under discussion at this meeting. Chairman Master asked if, with that as a suppos- ition, the ingress and egress would be redesigned. Ms. Leiter said yes, if the conversion to a cul-de-sac is made, which would be conditional to the residents' agreement and the City Council's desire, then the portion of Trenton east of the proposed cul-de-sac would become abandoned. and, in fact, would become the new driveway for Toyota, and would include a Fire Department and Police Depart- ment access as well as a pedestrian walkway for the use of residents of Trenton. Chairman Master asked how the car carriers would make egress from Toyota and Ms. Leiter responded they would use the driveway created from the abandoned portion of Trenton. Chairman .Master said he would have liked to have received a layout or two of ,some of .the options now being mentioned. Commissioner Scott asked if he is correct in understanding that the two driveways from Toyota of Orange will be installed immed- ieately if they are approved with this proposal and the median strip r~e~-evaluated in six months as to whether it should or should not be installed. Mr. Bishton responded that the two driveways recommended by Mr. Farmer will be put in immediately and the cul- de-sac will be requested if Toyota does acquire the swim school property, and that is why they believe the installation of a .median would be superfluous at this time, but at any rate they believe the installation of a median is not a wise solution to the problem even if the street would never be converted to a cul-de-sac. He said there are other things for the Commission to consider that perhaps have not been made clear: There is a Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Eleven major parking problem in the area, not just because of the swim school but because of the customers at Toyota. Toyota needs additional space just to provide customers with off-street parking. Toyota is anticipating that parking may be removed from Tustin Street in that area and that would make the problem even worse. Toyota currently rents space from the bowling alley across Tustin for employee parking. However, some employees probably do park on Tustin and on Trenton. He said they started this project by meeting with Staff at the beginning to try to figure out how they can solve all of these problems. He said in answer to Ms. Green's concerns about the increase in traffic on Trenton from mobile home park residents if it is converted to a cul-de-sac that indeed the traffic would be decreased because Trenton would no longer be a through street. He said Toyota`s goal from the beginning has .been to convert Trenton to a cul-de-sac and that would be the solution to all of the problems whereas to put in the median at this time would be a mistake, especially since it would force people leaving the swim school to make a right turn onto Trenton thereby increasing the traffic on that street, a problem no one has considered because they have dismissed the swim school from their minds knowing they want to have it relocated. Mr. Bishton said Toyota is trying to effect the relocation of the swim school on a friendly basis and he has been working with Ms. Leiter on this to help the swim school owner so they don't destroy her business. He said they'req~aested a six-month period because they feel that's how long it will take for them to acquire the swim school property since they are trying to do it in a neighborly and orderly fashion rather than just try to condemn the property. He said Toyota has already purchased the Hudson property so it can be used for parking its vehicles. He said he thinks the median proposition is totally inappropriate but even if the Planning Commission thinks it is appropriate, any action on doing it should be delayed for six months until everyone can see what happens. Commissioner Greek asked if the Redevelopment Agency is planning condemnation of the swim school property. Ms. Leiter said no decision has been made on condemnation but she has met with the City Council sub-committee and it is asking the Redevelopment Agency to provide a system for expanding Toyota of Orange across Trenton Street. She said if it comes to condemnation that decision wit] have to be made by the entire City Council. Commissioner Greek asked if any. plan has been made yet for the ultimate widening of Tustin Street.. Mr. Johnson responded that the five-year plan for the Cityrs capital improvements program indicates right-turn widenings at Tustin and Katella and it is felt there will be an acute need for these within the next five years; in fact, he believes the time frame is during the 1987-88 fiscal year. He said this will involve acquisition of right-of-way, moving back the curb, restriping, and relocating traffic signals. Commissioner Greek asked if this redevelopment plan includes the proposed Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Tavel ve changes in Trenton Avenue.. Mr. Johnson replied that the intent is not to include that with any intersection widening of Tustin Street and his understanding is that those changes would be made as a part of the Toyota of Orange redevelopment only. Ms. Leiter said she believes that part of what the City Manager has asked for as part of the capital improvements program is for the Public Works Department to indicate in what areas they have primary. concern and she believes that the Tustin and Katella area is one of the area indicated; however, that plan will go to the City Council in mid-February and once it has been determined then the Redevelopment Agency will develop a plan as to how redevelopment funds will be allocated. Mr. Koenig reminded Clommissioner Greek of his comment at the January 21 meeting wherein he stated that if the mobile home park were to be built new by today's standards it would be required to have two ingressJegress accesses rather than one, and asked if anything will be done about that at this time. Commissioner Greek responded that Mr. Yamasaki indicates in his report that the mobile home park is really having no revisions and since no changes are being asked for within the mobile home park it is Staff's opinion that a secondary access should not be considered at this time. Mr, Bishton presented a summation of all the facts he had already discussed during the meeting. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 952. AYES:. Commissioners Greek, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSENT:. Commissioner Hart ABSTAINED: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of .Zone Change 1027. AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Scott NOES:.. None ABSENT: Commissioner Hart ABSTAINED: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that the Planning-Commission recommend approval of Conditional Use Permit 1391 for the reasons stated in the Staff Report, with the O following provisions: a) that Special Conditions No. 1 and No. 2 be amended as stated in the letter of February 1, 1985, from Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Thi~nteen Bert K. Yamasaki, Director of Planning and Development Services, with the change in the wording of Special Condition No. 2 from "parcel map" to "lot line adjustment" since the intent of the Plannin Commission is not to create a land-locked mobile home park; b~ the Special Condition No. 4 be deleted; c) that the two driveways for Toyota of Orange be designed in accordance with the proposal labeled Figure 14 in the Traffic and Circulation Study and shall be subject to the approval of the Traffic Engineer; and d) that the traffic control (median) design should be installed within six months of approval of this conditional use permit. AYES: Commissioners Greek, Mason, Scott NOES: None ABSENT:. Commissioner Hart ABSTAINED: Commissioner Master MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1393 - STOHLMAN~KOHOUTEK Proposed second-story addition over the rear of an existing single-family residence in the R-D-6 (RCD) zone on the west side of Grand Street, approximately 130 feet south from Culver Avenue. NOTE: This project is exempt from environmental review. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to conditions in its report, He pointed out that the staff report erroneously states there will be no windows on the south side of the addition; it should state north side. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Applicant Marcia Stohlman, 424 South Grand, Orange, questioned the feasibility and applicability of Conditions 1 and 2. After dis- cussion, it was determined that these conditions do not apply. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit No. 1393 with the deletion of Conditions 1 and 2. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS ZONE CHANGE 1028, TENTATIVE TRACT 11956, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1394 - BALDWIN COMPANY Proposed zone change on portions of the property from R-1-6 and R-1-20 to RM7, proposed Tentative Tract Map and Conditional Use Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Fourteen Permit to construct 74 condominium units on approximately eight acres situated at the southwest corner of Chapman Avenue and Canyon View Avenue. NOTE: Negative Declaration 957 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with. the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to conditions in its report. Commissioner Hart asked if the proposed gates are going to take the place of the existing gates. Mr. Lane said it is his understanding that they wi11 but the applicant can confirm it. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Robert Kasmerek, representing the applicant, the Baldwin Company, 16811 Hale Avenue, Irvine, explained the system of security gates proposed to be installed and asked for clarification on two items: a) Item 8 on page 5 of the Staff Report regarding assessment in accordance with the Master P1 an of Drainage, and b) Item l,B,i on page 7 of .,the Staff Report regarding specialized firefighting equipment. He said that since both of the properties proposed to be devefioped have already been recorded on final maps and assess- ment fees have a1 ready been paid, they feel they don't have to pay the fee a second time. Regarding the second item, he said they are wondering what firefighting equipment is being talked about. Commissioner Greek said he thinks the equipment referred to is a truck; Mr. Kasmerek said he was assuming it was fire hose. Commissioner Greek referred to Special Condition No. 1, which indicates a 20`-wide secondary access and asked Mr. Kasmerek if he has looked into that possibility or can meet that criteria, because from the look of both accesses he doesn`t think they can satisfy the requirements. Mr. Kasmerek said they have already shown the Fire Department an access with a 15% grade further down the property along Canyon View and the Fire Department seems to think that is adequate. He said if an access were to be put in on the corner of Canyon View and Chapman it would require. about a 35% grade, so it would be difficult to have an access at that location. Commissioner Greek said he thinks that if the Fire Department had a representative at this meeting he would ask for more like a 10% rate of grade. As to Item B,l,i, Commissioner Greek said he would like the Fire Department to be more specific as to what they would require in the way of equipment. Chairman Master asked Mr. Johnson if he had any information rela- tive to the required fire-fighting equipment and Mr. Johnson replied that he can't comment too intelligently on that but it may be that Staff has discussed the intent of it with the Fire Department. He said a 35% grade would be impossible, but possibly the Fire Depart- . ment would accept a 15% grade. Mr. Kasmerek said when he was speaking with the Fire Department he was. told he would have to provide either an access or an alternative method as far as con- struction is concerned, such as sprinklers inside the houses, Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page fifteen because without a secondary access there would have to be some other kind of protection. Concerning the drainage assessment fee, Mr. Johnson said if the fee has already been paid as a part of the ordinance requirement on previous tracts, there will not be a double charge for it, but his understanding is that the easterly lot is not a part of the original tract. Mr. Kasmerek replied that the lot on the corner of Chapman and Canyon View is recorded as Lot 66 of Tract 10775 and the other lot where the other development is was the one lot of Tract 1196, so actually both lots have already been final mapped and all the bonds for all the street requirements and everything adjacent to them have already been bonded for. Commissioner Greek said he is more concerned about the ambiguous conditions than he is about the development, especially the condi- tion about the requirement for fire-fighting equipment, and he would like to have better support for conditions that the Planning Commission is asked to include in the approval. He pointed out Condition No. 17 regarding door locks and suggested changing that one also if possible since there is a conflict there between Fire Department and Police Department requirements, i.e., the Police Department wants double key locks for safety from intruders and the Fire Department wants single key locks so anyone trapped inside a dwelling by fire can get out easily without having to find a key to unlock the door from the inside. Commissioner Hart said he is prepared to make a motion regarding door locks after this item is resolved.. Chairman Hart requested Mr. Lane to contact the Fire Department regarding their being clearer as to what it wants in the way of fire-fights;ng equipment, and Mr. Lane said he would do so tomorrow. Mr. Lane said that as far as the applicant is concerned, the map will go to the City Council and prior to their consideration of the application, the applicant obtain the information from the Fire Department as to exactly what they will require. Mr. Lane reminded they Planning Commission that the door lock requirement is a result of the crime prevention ordinance that was adopted by the City Council and has been through the public hearing process and is now being enforced. He ® said that this ordinance is now mandatory and it is hardly likely Commisioner Hart said he feels the Planning ed chan ld b it . e g cou Commission could at least make a recommendation and outline its problem with the ordinance. Chairman Hart asked Mr. Lane to give the Commission a status report from which a recommendation could be made. Mr. Lane said he would do so. Chairman Hart declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 957. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Sixteen AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Zone Change 1028 to coincide the RM-7 district boundary with the realignment of Canyon View Avenue. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Tentative Tract 11956 and Conditional Use Permit 1394., with the deletion of Condition #8 if it is not applicable. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: LOCKING SYSTEM REQUIRED BY THE CRIME PREVENTION COORDINATOR Moved by Commissioner Hart, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission request clarificationfrom the Crime Pre- vention Coordinator as to the type of locking system required by Building Security Ordinance No. 7-79, because the Planning Com- mission is concerned with having a coordinated activity by both Police and Fire Departments regarding locking systems in view of the fact that the Police Department prefers the use of a double- key lock in order to obtain maximum security from intruders and the Fire Department prefers the use of a single-key lock in order to allow persons inside a burning dwelling easier egress without having to find a key to unlock the door from the inside. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: FIRE DEPARTMENT CONDITION REGARDING FIRE-FIGHTING EQUIPMENT Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Hart, that the Planning Commission request clarification from the Fire De- partment regarding the special condition that generalizes that fire-fighting equipment be furnished by the developer as deter- mined by the Fire Department, because the Planning Commission needs specific details as to what equipment is required before it can support the Fire Department requirements. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Seventeen IN RE: NEW HEARINGS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1396 - A. J. CIGLIANO AND ASSOCIATES Proposed off-sale of beer and wine in association with a wholesale seafood business on approximately 1.5 acres at the northwest corner of Main Street and Taft Avenue. NOTE: This project is exempt from environmental review. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to conditions in its report. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Howard Miller, 757 W. 9th St., San Pedro, representing the appli- cant, said he agreed with all the conditions in the Staff Report. Chairman Hart declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Conditional Use Permit 1396. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: NEW HEARINGS TENTATIVE TRACT 8154, VARIANCE 1752 - PRESLEY Proposed seven-lot subdivision, and less than required lot depth on one lot, on approximately three acres in the R-1-6 zone on the west side of Villa Real Drive, approximately 650 feet south from Nohl Ranch Road. NOTE:. Negative Declaration 958 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation in accordance with the Staff Report and said Staff recommends approval subject to the 18 conditions in its report which were the conditions on the previous map. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Jack Lucey, representing the applicant, Presley of Southern Calif- ornia, 17991 Mitchell, South, Irvine, said he agrees with the con- ditions. Chairman Master declared the public hearing closed. Moved by Commissioner Scott, seconded by Commissioner Greek, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 958, subject to the mitigation measures in the Staff Report. Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Eighteen AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED - Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Hart, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Tentative Tract 8154 and Variance 1752, subject to the conditions in the Staff Report. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED IN RE: MISCELLANEOUS REDUCTION OF OFF-STREET PARKING - CENTURY AMERICAN Request to allow 10~ reduction in the number of parking spaces from 31 to 28 at a proposed retail center at the southeast corner of Tustin and Wilson. Mr. Lane made the pretentation. He said there was a Staff Report that somehow wasn't distributed to the Planning Commission but the Commission did get copies of the plot plan and it essentially shows what is proposed to be done. Commissioner Greek asked for the width of the right-of-way of the alley, if there is adequate turning space and if it will be required that the alley be recon- structed because there is no cross gutter now. Mr. Johnson said he thinks the alley serves the multiple-family area to the east. Mr. Lane said the alley doesn't go anywhere but south and then it makes an easterly turn to provide access to the garages into the back of the apartments but there are no garage accesses along the alley as it runs north and south. Commissioner Greek asked if the alley is wide enough to allow a turn into a 90~ parking space. Mr. Lane said it is because such a turn can be made now as long as one doesn't hit the telephone pole or the guy wire on the parking spaces closest to Wilson. Commissioner Greek asked what is the normal turn requirement; he thought it was 25'. Mr. Johnson said 25' is for emergency vehicles but 20' is -~~ standard for .compact parking spaces. Mr. Lane suggested that this item be continued until the next meeting so Staff can check into it a little more. He said he has other concerns such as the request for compact parking and the fact that he's not sure it's a public alley. He said he would like to review the application. Chairman Master opened the public hearing. Carol Robinson and Richard Shudow, representing the applicant, asked what information they should have. Commissioner Greek asked if they could supply the dedicated width of the alley to verify that there is adequate turning radius from the alley into the parking spaces. Mr. Shudow said he doesn't know the exact measurement but it appears to be 20'. Ms. Robinson said Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page ivineteen the alley is a private alley but Century American has an easement. Moved by Commissioner Mason, seconded by Commissioner Scott, that this item be continued to the February 20 meeting. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Chairman Hart advised Ms. Robinson and Mr. Shudow to check with Mr. Lane as to his concerns. IN RE: MISCELLANEOUS TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 84-770 - ASHWILL HAWKINS AND PARTNERS Proposed subdivision of 3.4 acres into six lots in the M-2 zone at the southwest corner of Southern Avenue and Pacific Street. NOTE: Negative Declaration 966 has been prepared for this project. Mr. Lane made the presentation. Commissioner Greek said he is wondering about the procedure and he would rather the developer sold the buildings first and then subdivided because he thinks He said he would market will dictate what can be built th . e prefer to see a site plan and then have a parcel map follow it. Mr. Lane said that when there are ones handled that way, the Planning Department ends up needing a parcel map, and then having the property owners rent to occupancies that are offices rather than industrial, and asking why they can't have offices, which also creates problems for the Planning Department. He said that with this system the Planning Commission is dealing with one lot, one developer, and one building permit, and it is possible to make the developer understand that it's an industrial area and he will need a conditional use permit for office usage. Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Mason, that the Planning Commission accept the findings of the Environmental Review Board to file Negative Declaration 966. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Hart, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of Tentative Parcel Map 84-770, subject to conditions detailed in the Department of Public Works tentative parcel map application. AYES: Commissioners Master, Greek, Hart, Mason, Scott NOES: None MOTION CARRIED Planning Commission Minutes February 4, 1985 Page Twenty IN RE: ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 meeting on Wednesday, February 20, Civic Center Council Chambers, 300 California. p.m. to reconvene to a regular 1985, at 7:30 p.m.y at the East Chapman Avenue, Orange,