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03-10-1982 - Minutes TC k l j � . CITIZF,NS TRAFFIC SAFETY CO`iMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING March 10, 1982 - . ' AGENDA MOTION MINUTES ROLL CALL PRESENT Coramissioners: G. Shaw, M. Baumann, R. Slate, D. Smith Staff: P. Kelley, Lt. Leintz ABSENT Commissioners : D. Yarger APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION D. Smith SECOND R. Slate - Meeting of February 10, 1982 AYES Unanimous MOTION CARRIED COI�SENT CALENDAR � A. 586 N. Batavia Street Request for Vision Zone Gary Kluge-President Kluge Construction Harry Ruscigno-President SEATAC Fred Baker-Plant Manager CAL-WAL 586 N. Batavia Street t7range, CA 92668 RECQMMEND: Approve B. 770 N. Lemon Aequest for Driveway Clearance Zone Bob Haase 770 N. Lemon . Oran�e, CA 92667 RECOMMEND: Approve MOTION R. Slate SECOND M. Baumann - � AYES � Unanimous (. C11']7.ENS TItAFFIC SAF�TY COriMISSION MEFTING MINUTES OF A REGULAR�MEETING March 10, 1982 Page 2 AGE?1DA � MOTION MINUTES CONSIDER.ATION ITEMS 1. Santiago Cyn Rd and Cannon/Loma St Staff presented review of report given to Request for STOP controls/Crossing Gua CTSC at June 13, 1982 meeting. Cannon/Loma Jerry Looker . � Street is a north-south secondary arterial 5729 San Juan Drive street with a travelway width of thirty-six Orange, CA � 92667 (36) feet curb-to-curb. Santiago Cyn Road is an east-west secondary arterial street RECOMMEND: 1) Uphold previous with a travelway width that varies from recornmendation to Deny � � fifty-two (52) feet curb-to-curb at Cannon/ 2) Restudy the area for STOP controls � Loma Streets to thirty-six (36) at Orange relocation of STOP controls from Linda Park Blvd. and twenty-four (24) feet at Vista and Santiago Cyn to Loma and Newport Blvd. The intersecti�on of Santiago Santiago Cyn - report back at the June Cyn. Road and Cannon/Loma Streets is a two- 9, 1982 CTSC meeting. way STOP controlled, cross-intersection. The. intersection of Santiago Cyn. Road and �� Cannon/Loma Streets had two accidents in , � the previous twelve month period. One accident may have been susceptible to correction with a 4-way STOP control. There is not a problem with the alignment or design of the intersection. The average vehicular volume entering the intersection � from all approaches for an eight hour period was 551 vehicles. Bus service is provided for elementary school children, living in the � Maybury�.Ranch area, to Linda Vista Elementary School. There were eight (8) pedestrians � using the subject location going to and £rom � school.. The conflicting vehicle volumes were 50� vehicles in the morning and 81 � vehicles in the a�ternoon. The posted . , speed limit is 40 MPH. There is a four-way � STOP controlled crossing point 800 feet west of the subject intersection at Linda � Vista. The intersection of Santiaga Cyn Road and Cannon/Loma Streets did not . satisfy the required warrants for the estab- lishment of a 4-way STOP control at an , arterial intersection. The assignment of . . Right-of-Way is not indicated to be a �. problem. The subject intersection did not satisfy the required warrants for the establishment of a traff ic signal. The . intersection did not satisfy the required warrants for the establishment for an adult school crossing �uard. � C CITI7ENS TRAFFIC SAFETY CO?�1MISSION MEETING MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING March 10, 1982 . Page 3 AGENDA MOTION MINUTES .� --- CONSIDER.ATION ITEMS CON'T. It was the recommendation of the Traffic Section that the request for a 4-way STOP � control, traff ic signal or adult school crossing guard at the intersection of - � Santiago Cyn Road and Cannon/Loma Streets be denied. Speaking in opposition to CTSC _ action of January 13, 1982 were Mr. and Mrs: Tom Ebberts, 5825 E. Teton Avenue, Orange, and Mr. and Mrs. Jerry Looker, 5729 San Juan Drive, Orange. Concerns expressed by those � � speaking in favor of traffic controls at the subject location included: - Different traff ic patterns now that Katella is open - ' ' - Pedestrian counts not conducted when both sessions of school in operation - Difficulty of drivers to enter onto Santiagc Cyn � � - Speed of the traff ic Motion was to 1) Uphold previous recommendation to deny 2) � Restudy the area for STOP controls, relocation of ST,OP controls from Linda Vista and Santiago Cyn to Loma and Santiag � Cyn and report back at the June 9, 1982 meeting � MOTItiN G. Shaw � SECOND M. Baumann AYES Unanimous 2. Batavia St and Palmyra Ave. Batavia Stre�t is a north-south secondary � Request for �STOP controls arterial� street running between La Veta Maggie Gibbs Avenue to the south and Lincoln Avenue to . 379 S. Batavia Street the north. Batavia Street has a travelway Orange, CA 92668 width of fourty (40) f eet curb-to-curb - between La Veta Avenue and Chapman Avenue. RECOMMEND• Deny Palmyra Avenue is an east-west local street , running between Flower �treet to the west and Batavia Street to the east where it splits into two offset tee intersections and continue eastward to Wayfield Street. Palmyra Avenue has a travelway width of thirty-four (34) feet curb-to-curb between west of Batavia Street and fourty (40) f eet east of Batavia Street.. The intersection of Batavia Street and Palmyra Avenue is a single STOP controlled tee-intersection (3 legs) . � '... ' . f \ C7TIZENS TR.AFFIG SAFETY COTIMISSION MF.ETING '�INUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING � March 10, 1982 - Page 4 AGENDA MOTION MINUTES . ,l CONSIDERATION ITEMS CON'T. Westbound traffic on Palmyra Avenue must stop before entering the intersection. The inter- section of Batavia Street and �Palmyra Avenue had no accidents in the previous twelve month period. There is not a problem with the � alignment �of design of the intersection. The average vehicular volume entering the intersection from all approaches for an eight hour period was 543 vehicles. The intersection did� not satisfy the signal �� warrant criteria. The intersection did not satisfy the required warrants �for STOP � controls at an arterial intersection. The assignme�t of Right-of-Way is not indicated - � i to be a problem. Stop signs are not consideree to be speed control devices. It is the � recommendation that the request for a 3-way � STOP control at the intersection of Batavia Street and Palmyra Avenue (N) be .denied. MOTION D. Smith SECOND R. Slate Meeting adjourned 4:55 p.m. AYES Unanimous a , ; i k' � � � . �\ ��TIZENS TRAFFIC SAFETY CO:�IISSION MEETING MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING March 10, 1982 . AGENDA MOTION MINUTES ROLL CALL PRESENT Commissioners: G. Shaw, M. Baumann, R. S1ate, D. Smith Staff: P. Kelley, Lt. Leintz . ABSENT Comrnissioners : D. Yarger APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION D. Smith SECOND R. Slate - Meeting of February 10, 1982 AYES Unanimous MOTION CARRIED ------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- CONSENT CALENDAR � A. 586 N. Batavia Street Request for Vision Zone Gary Kluge-President Kluge Construction � Harry Ruscigno-President SEATAC � Fred Baker-Plant Manager CAL-WAL 586 N. Batavia Street Ora��ge, CA 92668 RECOMMEND: Approve � B. 77Q N. Lemon Request for Driveway Clearance Zone Bob Haase 770 N. Lemon Oran�e, CA 92667 RECOMMEND: Approve MOTION R. Slate SECOND M. Baumann � � AYES Unanimous . . , ( (� CITl7.ENS TRAFFIC SAF'ETY COriMISSI0�1 MI;ETING Ml NUTES OF A REGULAR ?�fEETING March 10, 1982 Page 2 AGE!1DA � MOTION MINUTES CONSIDERATION ITEMS 1. Santiago Cyn Rd and Cannon/Loma St Staff presented review of report given to Request for STOP controls/Crossing Gua . CTSC at June 13, 1982 meeting. Cannon/Loma Jerry Looker . Street is a north-south secondary arterial 5729 San Juan Drive street with a travelway width of thirty-�six Orange, CA � 92667 (36) feet curb-to-curb. Santiago Cyn Road is an east-west secondary arterial street RECOMMEND: 1) Uphold previous with a travelway width that varies from recommendation to Deny " � fifty-two (52) feet curb-to-curb at Cannon/ 2) Re.study the area for STOP controls � Loma Streets to thirty-six (36) at Orange relocation of STOP controls from Linda Park Blvd, and twenty-four (24) feet at Vista and Santiago Cyn to Loma and Newport Blvd. The intersecti�on of Santiago Santiago Cyn - report back at the June Cyn. Road and Cannon/Loma Streets is a two- 9, 1982 CTSC meeting. way STOP controlled, cross-intersection. The intersection of Santiago Cyn. Road and � � Cannon/Loma Streets had two accidents in , � the previous twelve month period. One accident may have been susceptible to correction with a 4-way STOP control. There is not a problem with the alignment or design of the intersection. The average � vehicular volume entering the intersection � from all approaches for an .eight hour period was 551 vehicles. Bus service is provided for elementary school children, living in the � � Maybury.Ranch area, to Linda Vista Elementary School. There were eight (8) pedestrians � � using the subject location going to and f�om � school.. The conflicting vehicle volumes were 504 vehicles in the morning and 81 � � vehicles in the a�ternoon. The posted - . speed 13.mit is 40 MPH. There .is a fou�--way STOP controlled crossing point 800 feet west of the subject intersection at Linda � Vista. The intersection of Santiagc� �";T4; Road and Cannon/Loma S�reets did not satisfy the r•equired warrants for the esrab- � lishment of a 4-way STOP control at an i arterial intersection. The assignment of � ' . Right-of-Way is not indicated to be a ' problem. The subject intersection did not � satisfy the required warrants for the �� establishment of a traffic signal. The inte�section did not satisfy the required ��i : . war�ants for the establishment for an adult school crossing �uard. � , ,- � , . � I, (. � CITIZENS TRAFFIC SAFETY COriMISSION MEETING . MINUTES OF A REGUI.AR MEETING March 10, 1982 . Page 3 AG�NDA MOTION MINUTES -� ______--- CONS IDER.ATION ITEMS CON'T. It was the recommendation c�f the Traf f ic Section that the request fat a 4-way STOP � control, traff ic signal or adult school crossing guard at the inte�section of - Santiago Cyn Road and Cannon/Loma Streets be denied. Speaking in opgosition to CTSC . action of January 13, 1982 were Mr. and Mrs. Tom Ebberts, 5825 E. Teton Avenue, Orange, and Mr. and Mrs. Jerry Looker, 5729 San Juan Drive, Orange. Concerns expressed by those � speaking in favor of traffic controls at the subject location included: ; - Different traff ic patter�s now that Katella . is open - ' � � - Pedestrian counts not con�ucted when both sessions of school in operation - Difficulty of drivers to enter onto Santiag� Cyn � - Speed of the traf f ic Motion was to 1) Uphold previous recommendation to deny 2) � Restudy the area f or STOP controls, relocation of ST,OP controls from Linda Vista and Santiago Cyn to Loma and Santia; � Cyn and report back at the June 9, 1982 meeting � MOTIbN �y Shaw � SECOND M� Baumann AYES Unanimous 2. Batavia St and Palmyra Ave. Batavia Street is a north-south secondary Request for 'STOP controls arterial street running between La Veta Maggie Gibbs Avenue to the south and Lincoln Avenue to 379 S. Batavia Street the north. Batavia Street has a travelway Orange, CA 92668 width of fourty (40} feet curb-to-curb � between La Veta Avenue and Chapman Avenue. RECOMMEND: Deny Palmyra Avenue is an east-west local street running between Flower Street to the west and Batavia Street to the east where it splits into two offset tee intersections and continu� � eastward to Wayf ield Street. Palmyra Avenue has a travelway width of thirty-four (34) � feet curb-to-curb between west of Batavia Street and fourty (40) feet east of Batavia Street., The intersection of Batavia Street and Palmyra Avenue is a single STOP controlle� i tee-intersection (3 legs) . � . � � - CI7IZENS TRAFFIC SAFETY C01�iMISSION MEETING MItJUTES OF A RF.GULAR MEETING . March 10, 1982 . Page 4 AGENDA MOTION Nl�UTES .. .. -- - CONSIDERATION ITEMS CON'T. Westbound traffi� on Palmyra Avenue must st�p � before entering �t�ie intersection. The inter- section of Batav�a Street and �Palmyra Avenue had no accidents in the previous twelve mon�h period. There i� not a problem with the � alignment �of des�.gn of the intersection. The average vehi�cular volume entering the � intersection fro� all approaches for an � eight hour perio�d was 543 vehicles. The intersection did �ot satisfy the signal � warrant criteria� The intersection did not satisfy the requ��ed warrants �for STOP � controls at an ar�erial intersection. The .� assignmer�t of Ri��it-of-Way is not indicated � � to be a problem. Stop signs are not consid�re� to be speed control devices. It is the recommendation that the request for a 3-way � STOP control at tRe intersection of Batavia � Street and Palmyra Avenue (N) be .denied. MOT I ON D. S�ni th � SECOND R. Slate� Meeting adjourned 4:55 p.m. AYES Unanimous