06-08-1983 - Minutes TCa
CITY TRAFFIC COfMTSSION
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,Tune 8, 1983 t
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AGENDA
MOTION
MINUTES
ROLL CALL
PRESENT
'Commissioners: G. Shaw, M. Baumann,
D. Smith
Staff: B., Dennis, P. Kelley, Lt. Dawson
ABSENT
Commissioners: D. Yarger, D. Henley
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION
D. Smith
SECOND
M. Baumann
Meeting of April 27, 1983
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AYES
Unanimous
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CONSENT CALENDAR
A. 1900 Vanowen Avenue
Request for Clearance Zone
Mel Clipper, Prop. Mgr
IFS Management Co., Inc.
'P.O. Box 6348
Orange, CA 92668
RECOMMENDATION: Approve
B. Cambridge St and Old Orchard Lane
Request for Intersection Vision Zone
Gary Roberts
968 Old Orchard Lane
Orange, CA 92667
P.ECOMIIENDATION: Approve
CMetropolitan Dr - Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
EB FS Lewis Street.
O.C.T.D.
P.O. Box 3005
Garden Grove, CA 92642
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
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AGENDA
CONSENT CALENDAR CONtT.
D. Metropolitan Dr - Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
EB Opp 3845 Metropolitan
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
E. Metropolitan Dr Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
EB Opp City Pkwy South
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
F. Metropolitan Dr - Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
EB Opp Metropolitan Way
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
G..,.: Metropolitan Dr - Rt .45
Request for Bus Stop,
.WB NS Metropolitan Way
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
H. Metropolitan Dr - Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
WB NS City Pkwy South
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
I.. Metropolitan Dr -'Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
.WB NS #3845
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
J. Metropolitan Dr - Rt 45
Request for Bus Stop
WB NS Lewis Street
O.C.T.D.
RECOMMENDATION: Continue
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CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
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June 8, 1983.
AGENDA
CONSENT CALENDAR CON'T.
K. Harwood Street and Chapman Avenue
Request for marked crosswalk
Councilman Smith
RECOMMENDATION: Approve
CONSIDERATION ITEMS
l.- Flower St @ La Veta Ave
Request for Traffic Signal
Brad Rowland
1921 W. La Veta Ave #18
Orange, CA 92668
RECOMMENDATION:
1) Continue for six months and reeval
2) Increase selective enforcement -
3) Send letter to O.C.T.D. on behalf
of Commission to advise drivers
to obey speed limit there and
elsewhere in City
4) Work with State of California,
Division of Highways to see what
can be done in respect to advance
.signing and improve posting
5) Investigate cost, feasibility,
possibility of installation of
yellow flasher
6) Possible installation of rumble
strips.
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MOTION
SECOND
AYES
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MINUTES
G. Shaw
D. Smith
Unanimous
Staff presented report. Flower Street is a
north -south commuter street with a travelway
width of forty (40). Flower Street is
posted 25 MPH. La Veta Avenue is an east -
west modified primary arterial street running
between the 1-5 overcrossing to the west
and Cambridge Street to the east. La Veta
Avenue has a.travelway..width of fifty-two
(52). There are two lanes in each direction
with left -turn pockets. No Parking is
allowed on the north side of La Veta Avenue.
There'is a small area on the south side
where parking is permitted. La Veta Avenue
between Main Street and the 1-5 overcrossing
is posted 35 MPH. The intersection of
Flower Street/Flower Circle and La Veta.
Avenue is a two-way STOP controlled, offset
cross -intersection (4 legs). Southbound
traffic on Flower Street and northbound
traffic on Flower Circle must stop before
entering the intersection. Lighting at
the intersection is provided by one street
light on the northeast corner of La Veta
Avenue. Lighting along La Veta Avenue is
staggered with spacings of approximately
130' between street lights. The channeli-
zation at the intersection consists of two
striped travel lanes for east and westbound
vehicles. There are also left turn pockets
provided for thes.e. -. two directions of traffic.
Between Flower Street and Main Street there
is also a two-way left turn lane striped
.in the center of the street. Striping for
southbound Flower Street consists of a solid
double yellow centerline. At the intersection
.of Flower Street at La Veta Avenue and Flower
Circle at La Veta there is a STOP legend,
CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
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June 8. 198
AGENDA
Paize
MJNLITE�S
bar and sign. All signing and striping
is clearly visible and marked. The accident
history at the intersection of Flower Street
and La Veta Avenue indicates one accident in
the past twelve months; pedestrian fatality.
The intersection of Flower Street/Flower
Circle did meet the interruption of continuou
traffic warrant. A number of intersections
are surveyed each year for possible traffic
signal installations and prioritized on a
point basis. For consideration of funding
for traffic signal installation, a location
must first meet the required signal warrants.
Locations that meet the necessary traffic
signal warrants are then submitted to the
City Council on a numbered priority list with
the highest need listed first. The inter-
section of Flower Street/Flower Circle and
La Veta Avenue did meet the required warrants
for the installation of a Traffic Signal
The critical .(85th percentile) speed for
La Veta Avenue was 41 MPH and reduced the
required vehicular volumes to 80% of*normal.
The average volume
lume of traffic during the
highest eight hours was 1347 vehicles. The
eighth highest volume of the major street was
1038 vehicles. The eighth highest approach
volume for the minor street was 82 vehicles.
There was one accident in the past twelve
months, a pedestrian fatality. The pedestria
fatality occurred 97 feet east of the inter-
section. There does not appear to be a
problem with the alignment or design of the
intersection. Speaking in opposition of
the Traffic Signal were:
Doug McDaniel
2003 W. La Veta #B, Orange
Rick Jones
V.P. La Veta Townhome-Association
La Veta & Flower Circle
Their concernsw*ere:-
1) Speed of the O.C.T-6-D. busses
2) Traffic on Flower
3) Signal would be an extreme type of
solution and would not mitigate the real
problem - speed
4) Increase speed enforcement
5) Possible installation of rumble strips
and yellow flasher.
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AGENDA
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M I N LJT) `IS
Recommendation:
1) Continue for six months and reevaluate
2) Increase selective enforcement
3) Send letter to O.C.T.D. on behalf of
Commission to advise drivers to obey
speed limit there and elsewhere in City
4) Work with State of California, Division
of Highways to see what can be done in
respect to advance signing and improve*
posting
5) Investigate cost, feasibility, possibility
of installation of yellow flasher
6).Possible installation of rumble strips.
MOTION
M. Baumann
SECOND
D. Smith
AYES
Unanimous
2. Shaffer St @ Sycamore Avenue
Staff presented report. Shaffer Street is a
Request for 4-way STOP Controls
north -south residential street with a width
Mr./Mrs. O'Dell
of thirty-four (34) feet. Sycamore Avenue
414 N. Shaffer Street
is an east -west local:,residential street
Orange, CA 92666
with a travelway width of thirty-four (34)
feet. Parking is permitted on both sides
RECOMMENDATION:
of the street and each street has single
1) Deny 4-way STOP Controls
travel lanes in each direction. The
2) Increase selective enforcement during
intersection of Shaffer Street and. Sycamore
peak hours and after school
Avenue is a two-way STOP controlled, cross-
3) Public notification regarding
intersection (4 legs). Eastbound and west -
enforcement
bound traffic on Sycamore Avenue must stop
before entering the intersection. Traffic
volume counts were taken during the a.m.
peak hours of 7:00 'a.m. to 9:00 a.m. on
May -31, 19$3, and indicate a peak hour
volume of 368,and a peak hour ratio of
8.68 to l.- The intersection of Shaffer
Street and Sycamore Avenue had no reported
accidents in the previous twelve month
period. There does not appear to be a
problem with the alignment or design of the
intersection.- Total vehicular volume
entering the intersection for all approaches
during the peak hour was 368 vehicles. The,
ratio of Shaffer Street traffic versus
Sycamore Avenue traffic was 8.68 to 1 in
favor of Shaffer Street. The intersection
did not satisfy the required warrants for
4-way STOP .controls at a local intersection.
CITY TRAFFIC COILMISSION
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June 8, 1983
AGENDA
MOTION
SECOND
AYES
3., Fletcher Industrial,area
Request for NO PKG for Street Sweeping
Tom Jordan
2434 Millstream
Orange, CA. 92665
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P11NVJT'.S
Speaking in favor of the STOP Controls were:
John O'Dell
414 N..Shaffer, Orange
Danielle Walsh
456 N. Shaffer, Orange
Martin Sather
358 N. Shaffer, Orange
John Bertain
382 N. Shaffer, Orange
Their concerns were:
1).Heavy traffic in a.m. and p.m. hours
2) Heavy pedestrian traffic
3).,Speeding, especially after school,
evenings and weekends
4) Children
5) Dip at the intersection
6) Need better enforcement of speed limit
Recommendation: - I
1) Deny 4--way STOP Controls
2)*Increase selective enforcement during
peak hours and after school
3) Public notification regarding enforcement
M. Baumann
D. Smith
Unanimous
Staff. gave report. The request.for restric-
tive parking on -sweeping days was received
from Tom Jordan, 2434 Millstream, Orange.
His request was prompted by the apparent
lack of sweeping of the street due to parked.
.vehicles. Traffic Division has taken a
field investigation and review of the area
with the following results. There appears
to be all day parking occurring on the street
to such an extent that the sweeping opera-
tions of the City cannot be performed. 'The
problem is heightened by the -fact that the
area includes industrial uses.as well as
residential. The industries concerned begin
their operations prior to the time that the
City sweeping operation is in effect.
Additionally, an Elementary School (Fletcher
Elementary) is located in the same area.
The location of an Elementary School in
this area adds to the problems indicated
by the request letter because of the
I "buildup" of debris and sand. in the area
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AGENDA
MOTION
SECOND
AYES
4. Prospect Street @ Spring Street
Request for Crossing Guard
J. Thacker, Principal
379'N. Prospect Street
Orange, CA 92669
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M I NIITRS
due to an inconsistant cleaning of streets.
This situation can create a problem for
those students having to traverse this
walking route to school. The City initiated
.a trial run to determine or ascertain the
effects of this kind of -a restriction in
the area. Field review indicated that
compliance with the restriction was
encouraging. The area (north side) was
posted on Tuesday for No Parking on
Wednesday. On. Wednesday the sweeping
operation was able to fulfill its function
and obligations. Based upon the area
characteristics and the indicated need for
sweeping of the streets in the area it
is the recommendation of staff that.the
area be posted for No Parking on Fletcher
Avenue East of Batavia on sweeping days.
Such a restriction would apply, for this
area, on Wednesday the day after trash
pickup.
Recommendation:
Approve posting on Fletcher Avenue East
of Batavia Street for No Parking on
Sweeping days.
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M. Baumann
D. Smith
Unanimous
Mr. Dennis gave report. The Traffic
Engineering Division has conducted an
investigation pursuant to the placement of
an adult crossing guard at the intersection
of Spring Street and Prospect Street (East).
Results of the investigation indicated that:
1) The minimum warrants for the placement
of an adult crossing guard are not met due.
to the proximity of an existing crossing
guard at Spring and Prospect (West) which
at the present time controlled by a 4-way
STOP sign and a crossing guard. In
reference to the warrants, there are three
general criteria:
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1. A minimum of 20 pedestrian crossings
2. 300 opposing vehicles
3. No existing controlled crossing point
(traffic signal, 4-way STOP sign or
crossing guard within 600' of the
requested controlled placement).
2.. The crossings of Spring observed during
the survey period were not specifically -
at Prospect, but at random points easterly
of Propsect and at the existing Olympia
and Swidler crosswalks. The crossings
originated (by observation) primarily from
the residential development on the south
side of Spring between the two Prospects.
The survey indicated 44 pedestrian crossing
Spring between Prr:spect east and Swidler
to the east. The conflicting traffic
volume was 302 vehicles at that point. The
accident history since 1980 incidates that
at Prospect East, Olympia, and Swidler
there were no pedestrian accidents,and very
few vehicular accidents.
3. Although Spring is not a continuous
arterial street, it does serve as the main
access to the El Modena High School parking
lot and experiences significant school
f orientated traffic.
i It is the opinion of the Traffic Division
E that.the distance from the existing control
point to that of the requested location of
the crossing guard is not an exorbitant
distance for the elementary age children
to be asked.or directed to walk. It would
seem that in a time.period when the City
may be forced to reduce the number of
crossing guards City-wide, the placement
of a guard, at this particular location,
400 feet from an identical service (crossing
guard) would be inappropriate. It would
also seem that the parents of those students
crossing Spring could be asked, via the
Prospect School Parent Teachers Association,
to reevaluate their child's walking route
and perhaps redirect them to the presently
controlled crossing point which would add
approximately five minutes to their total
home to school trip.
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AGENDA MOTION MINUTES
MOTION
SECOND
AYES
5, Almond-Ave/Chapman Avenue
Request for Bus Route Realignment
Orange Traffic Division
RECOMMENDATION:
1. 0 C.. D.'Bus''Route 53A/54 be reverted
back to Chapman Route
Mr. day Thacker expressed his concerns:
1) Speed of traffic
.2) Vehicles are not stopping .at STOP sign
3) Large shrubs, blind spots
4) Problem lies at S/B Prospect (East)
and Spring, not N/B Prospect (West)
5) Guard is in the wrong place
Recommendation:
1. Continue Crossing Guard Consideration
until October meeting and reevaluate
2. Trim bushes
3. Signing
G. Shaw
M. Baumann
Unanimous
Bernie presented report. The request
concerns bus route 53A/54 on Almond Avenue
between Flower and Cambridge. This route
ran along Chapman from the 57 to Tustin.
Because of the narrowness of Chapman there
was insufficient room for stopping busses
and they would have to stop in the travel
lane. When originally.proposed, Almond
was chosen as a temporary substitute for
Chapman until Chapman was fully improved.,
I About a year ago, the route on Chapman
turned at.Feldner to reach Almond, then
went to Camridge and back out onto Chapman.
At that time, it was then moved from
Feldner to Flower partly for the better
turning radius. In the last six months
afforded at Flower versus Feldner there
have been complaints from the residents
concerning noise, pollution and vibration
from the busses. Traffic staff met with
O.C.T.D. to change Route 53A/54. If.approve,
by C.T.C. and City Council., the Tine will
be placed back up onto Chapman between,
Flower and Main Street, then down Main
Street to. Almond, then Easterly and Westerly
on Almond connecting with the existing
route. This would delete that section
on Almond between Flower and Main. This
change will involve two things:
1) Abandonment of all bus stops along
Almond in this section
2) Abandonment of bus service along street.
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AGENDA MOTION MINUTES
MOTION
SECOND.
AYES.
6. Briardale Ave @ Lincoln St
Request for STOP Controls
Marie.Beck
1788 N. Lincoln St, Orange, CA 92665
Vera Mater
1774 N. Lincoln St, Orange, CA 92665
RECOMMENDATION:
1. Approve request for two-way STOP
Controls at the intersection of
Lincoln Street and Briardale Avenue
2. Install appropriate vision zones
at the intersection.
If approved by the Commission, two sets
of bus stops could be implemented. One
at Flower and.Chapman where there are
provisions for bus space and the second
in the area of Feldner where busses will
be required to park in the traffic lane.
Concurrent with that,"'in the hope of
eliminating any future litigation there
would be posting of signs on Chapman Avenue
indicating bus stops ahead similar to that
on Main Street. As Chapman is improved,
busses will be moved off Almond along its
entire length. Expressing their concerns
.were:
Larry Works
2125 W. Almond
Bob Savoy
2120 W. Almond
Rick Shaw
2130 W. Almond
P Their concerns were:
1) No one was notified that O.C.T.D. was
going to use Almond
f
2) Only one person who signed.the petition
was notified of C.T.C. meeting. More
should have been notified.
3) When will this go before Council?
4) Will there be a newspaper notification?
S) All in audience agreed to getting the.
busses .off Almond.
Recommendation:
1. O.C.T.D. Bus Route 53A/54,be reverted
back to Chapman Route
M. Baumann
G. Shaw
Unanimous
Staff presented report Lincoln Street is
a north-south.local residentzal.street with
a travel way width.of thirty-six feet curb -
to -curb. Parking is permitted on both sides
of the street. Briardale Avenue is an
east -west local residential street with a
travelway width of thirty-six feet curb
to -curb. The intersection of Lincoln Street
and Briardale Avenue. is an uncontrolled tee -
intersection (3 legs). Traffic volume
counts taken during the a.m. peak hours
of 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. on June 1, 1983
indicate a peak hour volume = 128 and a
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AGENDA MOTION MINUTES
MOTION
SECOND
AYES
7 1500/1600 E. Palm Avenue
Request for Limited Time Parking
Mr/Mrs Theodore Junghas.
1611 E. Palm Avenue, Orange, CA 92666
Mr/Mrs Steve Biczo
1614 E. Palm Avenue, Orange, CA 92666
RECOMMENDATION:
Approve request for 2-hour limited time
parking between the hours of 8 a.m. and
4 p.m. except Saturday, Sunday, and
holidays for the 1500 and 1600 block of
East Palm Avenue and the 300 and 400
blocks of North Shattuck Street.
peak hour -ratio = 1.2 to 1. Safe approach
speed for the intersection = 9 mph.
Intersection alignment or design problems
are indicated by an approach speed of
10 mph or less. The, intersection of Lincoln
Street and Briardale Avenue had.
no reported accidents,in the previous
twelve month period. There does not appear
to be a problem with the alignment. or design
of the intersection. The average
vehicular volume entering the intersection
from all of the approaches for the peak
hour period was 128 vehicles. The peak*
houi vehicle volume ratio was 1.2 to 1.
The intersection does satisfy the required
warrants for.two-way STOP Controls at a
local intersection. Speaking in favor of
STOP Controls was:
Vera Mater, 1774 N. Lincoln Street, Orange
Her concerns were:
1) Speed from Briardale
2) Need more enforcement
3) Poor sight distance at intersection..
Recommendation:
1. Approve request for two-way STOP
Controls at the intersection of Lincoln
Street and Briardale Avenue.
2. Install appropriate vision zones at the
intersection.,
G. Shaw
M.
Baumann
Unanimous
Staff.presented report. The area of Palm
Avenue and Shattuck Street is a primary
residential area westerly of Tustin Street.
Business and commercial type.operations
exist on the corner of Tustin Street and
Palm Avenue. Historically, the City has
accomodated this type of request when
certain conditions have been fulfilled.
These conditions are that posting will
be on a block to block basis and posting
will be implemented when 50% ormore of
those residing along these blocks indicate
by petition that they are in favor of
such posting. The City Traffic Commission
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MOTION
SECOND
AYE S
8. Walnut Ave between Cambridge & Tust
Request for Traffic Study
Gregory.Pezzetti
1045 E. Walnut Avenue
Orange, CA 92667.
RECOMMENDATION:
1. Upgrade advisory legends on.streets
2. Increase enforcement
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has received such a petition with all
conditions.being met, i.e., at least 50%
of those residing along the 1500 and 1600
block of East Palm Avenue and the 300
and 400 block of North Shattuck Street, are iz
favor of the posting., It is understood by
the residents that the posting of 2-hour
limited time parking is applicable to all
vehicles parking in those posted areas.
It has been conveyed to and understood by
the residents in the effected area that
this will be a one time posting of limited
time parking., If, at a later date, a
request is received for removal of limited•
time parking, it will be considered in the
same manner as th--s request for the posting.
Recommendation:
Approve request for 2-hour limited time
parking between the hours of 8 a.m. and
4 p.m. except Saturday, Sunday, and holidays
for the 1500 and 1600=block of East Palm
Avenue and the 300 and 400 blocks of North
Shattuck Street.
G. Shaw'
M. Baumann
Unanimous
Staff presented report. A request was
received from Mr. Pezzetti concerning
the signing, accident history, speed
characteristics and traffic volumes on
the street., The.:Traffic.Division checked
for accidents, signing (speed, school,
parking restrictions). Accident history
in the last 3 years from 1980.f or all the
intersection with Walnut indicate at:
Cambridge - 16 accidents
Waverly - No, accidents
Maplewood -,l accident
California - 1 accident
Lincoln - No accidents
Shattuck - 1 accident
at the signalized intersection of Tustin and
Walnut _ 46 accidents. -
There is a 4-way STOP at Cambridge and a
traffic signal at Tustin. All intersecting
streets are.posted with STOP signs to stop
for Walnut. A bike route exists on both
sides of the street. There is posting for
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no parking 7:30 - 9 and 2:30 - 4 on school
days and there are bike route signs.
There are four 25 mph speed -signs eastbound
and westbound. There is a school sign
indicating school zone @ Maplewood. And
there is a school crossing @ Cambridge
and Walnut. The vehicular traffic on Walnut
is 7500 v.p.d. On Tustin N/0 Walnut 28,000
v.p.d. and on Tustin S/O Walnut 35,000 v.p.d,
Our records indicate that there is a speedin.;
problem. The 50% and 85% percentile of
our surveys are higher than the 25 mph
posted speed limit. Upgrading of legends
and police enforcement may help with the
r speeding problems.
Mr. Pezzetti expressed his concerns:
1) City of Orange drivers need to slow down.
2) Speed in general
3) Noise is too loud for students - they
can't hear in the classrooms.
Recommendation:
1. Upgrade advisory:'legends on streets
2. Increase enforcement
MOTION G. Shaw
SECOND
AYES