04-09-1986 - Minutes TC CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
MINtJTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
April 9, �986
�GENDA MOTION MINUTES
ROLL CALL PRESENT Commissioners: D. Smith, M. Baumann,
D. Yarger, D. Turi�.er
Staff: B. Dennis, l�l. Leintz, D. Kuan,
D. A1.Zenbach, Sgt. Flannigan
ABSENT Commissioners : G. Shaw
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CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Request for driveway vision
zone at the Double Tree Hote1`s
driveway on W. Chapman Ave. at �
100. The Cit� Drive.
D�an Nelson, Resident Manager -
Double Tree Hotel
.Z 000 The Ci ty Dr.
Orange, C'A 92668 �
RECOMNIENDA TION: Approve MOTION D. Turner_
SECOND D. Smith
A YES Unanimous
2. Request for I-hour limited _
parking restriction on the
north side of Katella Ave. at .
1249 E. Katella Ave.
Sonia Kemp
Universal Savings Bank
1249 E. Katella Ave.
Orange, CA 92667
RECOMMENDATION: Approve 120TION D. Turner
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
CI7.'Y TRAFFIC CONIl�tISSION
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CONSENT CALENDAR CONTINUED
3. Request for driveway vision �
zone�at 1730 �V. Main Street.
Bud Rurup
Transit Mixed Concrete Co.
1730 N. Main St.
Orange, CA
RECOMMENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Turner
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
' 4. Request for on-street parking
restriction during street . .
sweeping day at 2390 American Way �
Richard J. Adair
Adair Roofing, Inc.
2390 Ameriean Way
Orange, CA 92665
RECOMMENDATION: Approve IdOTION D. Turner
- SECOND D. Smith
YES" Unanimous
5. Request for intersection vision
zone at the intersection of
Spring St. & Swidler Street. ,
Sandra K. Martinelli
1785 "D" Cedar G.Zenn �
Anaheim, CA 92807
RECOMM.E'NDATION: Approve OTION D. Turner
ECOND D. Smith
YES Unanimous
CZ�'Y TRAFFIC CO�tISSION
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6. Request for 20-minute .Zimited :
parking restriction on the south
side of Kate.Z�a Ave. at �
1�08 E. K'atella Ave. , Units
Cl and C2.
Bob McKay, General Mana ger
60 Minute Photo
;
1108 E. Katella Ave. , #C-I
Orange, CA 92667
RECOMMENDA TION: Approve 110TION D. TUrner ,
SECOND D. Smith .
AYES Unanimous
7. Request for driveway vision zone
at the southeast corner of
Lemon St. and Wilson Avenue.
J.A. & L. Fitzmaurice
20.Z W. Collins Ave., #.Z18B
Orange, CA 92667
RECOMMENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Turner
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
8. Request for the .re.Zocation of ;-
bus stops: �
A. To 45' north of' the existing
northbound far side stop
location .on Tustin St.
at Chapman Ave. ,
B. Frorn inside UGI Medica.Z .
Center to southbound far
side. on Gity Dr. at Medical_
Center Drive. (This is a
temporary stop location
durin g UCI Medical Center's
construction period.)
Orange County Transit District
P.O. Box 3005
Garden Grove, CA 92642 � �
PECOMMENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Turner :
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
CI�.'Y TRAFFIC CO�iISSION
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CONSIDERATICON ITEMS
A. Request for insta.Zlation of 4-way A STOP sign traffic study was conducted at the
STOP control at the intersection subject intersection, results of the study
of Chapman Ave. and Chand.Zer indicate:
Ranch Rd. , and post a reduced
speed limit of 35 MPH on Chapman Existing Conditions �
Ave. between Ca1Ie Grande and
Newport Avenue. Chapman Ave, is a 4-lane arterial roadway which
runs in an east-west direction through the
Ski Kurowski residential areas at the eastern end of Orange.
Enterprise Management Services Chapman Ave. has a curb-to-curb width of 83'
P.O. Box 2137 in this area and has a posted speed limit of
Yorba Linda, CA 92686 45 1�IPH. .
Chandler Ranch Rd. and Brambles laay are
. residen�ial roadways that run in a north-south
direction. Both streets have a curb-to-curb
width of 38' . Currently, Chandl.er Ranch Rd.
- terminates at its southern end near La Cumbra
Dr. and at its northern end at Chapman Ave.
Traffic entering Chapman Ave. from Chandler
Ranch or Brambles Way is controlled by STOP
signs. Fie1d study indicates no deficiency
_ in street design and alignment in this area.
PM peak period (4:30-5:30 pm) turning counts
at this intersection indicate a total. volume
of 907 vehicles counted during the peak
traffic hour. 869 vehicles were counted on '
Chapman Ave. while only 38 vehicles were
counted on Ghandler Ranch Rd. and Brambles Way
during the same period.
Aecident History
Twa recorded accidents have been reported at
thi.�s location in the past 12 months, one of
the accidents a fatality, the other one was a
collision with minor property damage,
Anal.ysi s
. The Ci ty Traffic. Commission has a policy of
recommending STOP sign traffic controls at an _
intersection based on traffic volumes,
accident history, and intersection alignment
- and design. The subject intersection fails
to satisfy the traffic volume ratio for a
4-way STOP.
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CONSIDERATION ITEMS CONTINUED
It should be noted with regard to the fatal
accident in February of thi,s year, that
although the driver was not under the influence
of drugs or alcohol and was going at the speed
: of traffic f1ow, it is sti11 unknown as to the
cause of the accident. It is also indicated
that the accident would not be prevented
by a 4-way STOP device.
A speed zone survey was conducted on Chapman
Ave. at Chandler Ranch Rd. on 4/2/86. .
. Resu.Its of the survey indicate a mean speed ,
of 37 MPH, a pace speed of 33-42 MPH, and the
85% of speed was 45 MPH. '
DISCUSSION
Several. residents of this area stated their.
concerns ranging from the early morning
�raffic act�vity at high speeds, tl�e noise
generated by motorists using Chapman Ave. ,
the knowledge that as development increases
in east Orange more motorists will be
uti.Zizing Chapman Ave. and their desire to
` have this intersection signalized as we11 as
to reduce the speed Iimit on Chapman Ave. in
this area.
B. Dennis - The California Vehicle Code �
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dictates how a City establishes a speed limit
and its based on the 85i percentile of the �
prevailing traffic speed. If we post a limit
below a reasonable speed there is a very good
chance speedinc� tickets would not hold up in
court.
Steve Irvine - My concern is regarding the
school bus stop at this corner. Posting a
sign similar to those by schools to drive
25 MPH when children are present could be
very effective; also as there is such a steep
grade here posting a sign of steep grade would
s.Z ow tru cks.
B. Dennis - We don`t have a special speed
limit for special times of the day and I don`t
know if we can do this by law. We could put
in a sign warning motorists of a schoo.Z bus
stop is ahead• however, Chapman Ave. was
� designed to accommodate the speed for trucks
so we couldn't post the street to only slow
. trucks.
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CONSIDERATION ITEMS CONTINUED D. Kuan - When installing a 4-way STOP you
must look at both sides. Most traffic wi1.Z
stop, but speed will. not slow down on
Chapman Ave. because there is so much
distance between the upstream and downstream
STOPS. �If any control is put in you will
get more traffic on Chandler Ranch Road.
RECOMMENDATION
Deny requested installation of 4-way STOP,
but reduce the speed Iimit to 40 MPH and
install interseCtion warning .signs at �`
Chapman Ave. ; also post S.chool Bus Stop Ahead.
Reevaluate in 10 months from now in regard
to insta.Zlation of a signalized intersection.
MOTION D. Turner
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
B. Request for street closure on The Traffic Engineering Division received a
Chestnut Ave. between Tustin St. petition of 98 residents mostlz� from Chestnut
and Maplewood St. , .and the Ave. requesting the City look into the effect
installation of a 4-war� STOP of closing Trenton Ave, on C12estnut Ave. The
contro:Z at the intersection basis of the request is that when Trenton is
of Chestnut Ave. and Maplewood cul-de-saced at Tustin St. , Chestnut Ave. would
Street. be t�ie onl� east-west through street between
Katella Ave. and Taft Ave. connecting Tustin -
Brad & Carol Stienstra St. and Cambridge St. , and that the neigh-
1044 Chestnut A ve, borhood is concerned about the increased
Orange, CA 92667 traffic expected by traffic diverted from
Trenton Avenue.
Jim & Margaret Yadon
1032 Chestnut Ave. Tl�e purpose of the following study and analysis.
Orange, CA 92667 is to determine the magnitude of traffic using
Chestnut Ave. between Tustin St. and Cambridge
St. , to estirnate the extent of traffic
diversion from Trenton Ave. and to propose
follow-up steps and mitigation measures to
reduce or avoid the traffic impacts to �his
neighborhood.
General
The study area encompasses primar.Ziy single-
- family residential Iand use. Access into this
neighborhood can be made at 5 intersections
between 4 residential streets (Chestnut Ave. ,
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CONSIDERATION'ITEMS CONTINUED Map.Z ewood Ave. , Concard Ave. , and Nordic P1ace)
and three surrounding arterials; Tustin St. ,
Cambridge St. and Taft Ave. T,raffic diversion
is expected to occur only on Chestnut Ave.
and Maplewood St. because both Concord Ave. and
� Nordic P1ace are too circuitous to use for any
ti-me saving vpportunities. �
A11 access intersections are one-way STOP
controlled. Between Cambridge St. and Tustin
St, , traffic on Chestnut is not controlled by ;
either STOP sign nor signal, and a one-way
STOP is installed on Maplewood St. and
Silverwood St. at Chestnut Ave.
Study Approach & Results
To determine the magnitude of traffic usage
on Chestnut Ave. between Cambridge St. and �
Tustin St. , traffic counts were conducted
at 4 locations on this street: 1) west of
Tustin St. ; 2) east of Maplewood St. ;
3) west of ldaplewood St. ; and, 4) east of
Cambridge St. The results of the traffic
, counts ranged from 751 vehic3es per day west
of Tustin St. .to .Z064 vehicles west of
Nlap1 ewood Street. The hour.Z y breakdown
indicates at the peak traffic hour a total
of 105 vehicles travel on this street.
A vehicle license plate survey to estimate
the extent of through traffic using Chestnut �
Ave. on Maplewood St. was also conducted
during both the peak traffic hour (4-5 pm)
and on off-peak hour (2-3 pm) at the
intersections of Maplewood St. & Taft Ave. ,
Chestnut Ave. at both Tustin St. and Cambridge
. St. Through traffic is defined as bypassing
traffic having no specific destination or
purpose in the area under consideration.
The daily traffic vo.Zumes and the extenf� of
through traffic usage on Chestnut Ave. today
do not exceed the �olerance Ieve1 of a
residential street. However, it is believed
the closure of Trenton Ave. at Tustin St.
woul.d encourage the through traffic usage on
- `Chestnut Ave. The magnitude of traffic
increase may range between zero, assuming no
diversion takes place, to approximately 900
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CONSIDERATION. I TEMS CONTINUED vehi cl es per d a y, i f a.I Z traffi c on Tren ton
Ave. is diverted to Chestnut Ave. Realistica�ll�,
the exact amount of traffic diversion wou.Zd
fa11 in between these two extremes and rnay
bring the daily traffic vo.Zumes on Chestnut
Ave. up to or near the street capacity of a
residentia.Z street.
3-way STOP Control
,
A 3-way STOP sign study was conducted at the
interseetion of Chestnut Ave. and Mapl.ewood St. ,
PM peak period (4-6 pm) turning counts at this
intersection indicates a total of 97 vehicles.
84 vehic�es were counted on Chestnut Ave. and
I3 vehicles on Maplewood St. during this same
peak period.
Accident History
One accident between a vehicle and a parked
vehicle .has been reported during the past
3 z�ears at this intersection.
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Analz�sis
Based upon today's traffic volumes and accident ;
history, this intersection satisfies the
minimum requirements� for 1-war� STOP contro.Z,
but fai.Zs to meet the minimum warrants for, a ;
3-way STOP control.
Based on the above analysis, the proposed
reques� to either close Chestnut Ave. or to
install a 3-way STOP at Chestnut Ave. and
Maplewood St. are not substantiated by tne
existing traffic usage or accident data. The
daily traffic volumes on Chestnut Ave. are
within the capacity of a residential street.
The magnitude of through traffic on this street
is nominal, with fewer than ZO bypassing
vehicles during both the peak and off-peak
traffic hours.
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CONSIDERATION ITENIS CONTINUED The PM peak hour turning counts at this
intersection indicates a total of 97 vehicles
entering into this intersection, as compared
to Z00 vehicles required for a 3-way STOP
control, and a traffic. volume ratio between
the two streets of 6.7 to I, as compared to
3 to l required for a 3-way STOP control.
The accident history in the 'past three years
also fails to suggest any correctable
accident type with insta.Ilation of a 3-way
STOP contro.Z device at this in�ersection.
DISCUSSION '
James Cairney - During the month you get
different people out driving on �the street.
If you pzck the wrong day to do your study
you get wrong eounts. There is a nursery
behind us that uses our street rahen their �
parking �ot is fu11; also the car dealerships
use our street for test driving purposes. We
want to slow the traffic on Chestnut Ave.
B. Dennis - We have long felt .that if anything
happens to Trenton something must happen to
Chestnut, in a.Z1 probability we wi1.Z close
Chestnut at Tustin St.. You may find �hat
when we approach the Ci ty Council with this
issue there wi11 be a public hearing, and if
we go into this w.ithout being prepared there -
wi11 be alot of opposition from the
neighborhood residents. A 3-way STOP at
this location could be a solution but we are
Iooking more into the long term effects of
this problem. It could take close to a year
to close the street at Chestnut/Tustin as
there ar� so many questions that l�ave to be
answered. i�e nave a. Neighborhood Preservation
Study going on i.� this area and I would like
to get you involved in reviewing this data to
.Zook at possible so.Zutions to this .iSsue.
RECOMMENDATION
� Deny requ�st, but recommend we continue this
issue for further stud� of the alternatives
avai,Iable, and to solicit neighborhood support
, of the possible installation of a 3-way .STOP.
MOTION Nl. Baumann
SECOND D. Turner
AYES Unanimous