02-12-1986 - Minutes TC CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION
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February 12, 19&6
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ROLL CALL PRESENT Commissioners: Gene Shaw, Matt Baumann,
Deanna Smith, Dick Turner, Dick Yarger
Staff: Bernie Dennis, Lt. Leintz,
David Allenbach, David Kuan
ABSENT Commissioners :
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Request for driveway vision zone
at 3827 W. C�iapman Avenue.
Ja1�n G. Shanafel t, Jr.
3827 W. Chapman Ave.
prange, CA 92667 �
RECOMMENDATION: Approve 1�10TION D. Yarger
SECOND D. Turner
AYES Unanimous
2. l�equest for driveway vision zone
at 1071 N. Batavia Street.
David Barrett
Santia.go Data Systems, Inc.
1071 N. Batavia St. �
Urange, CA 92667
RECOMMENDA TION: Approve MOTION D. Yarger_
SECOND D. Tu.�ner
AYES Unanimous
3. Request for driveway vision zone
at 521 N. Cypress Street.
Minnie Lara -
521 N. Cypress St.
Orange, CA 92666
RECOMMENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Yarger
SECOND D, Turner
AYES Unanimous �
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4. Request for driveway vision zone
at .Z072 N. Lemon Street.
Bob Chea tum
Orange R. V. Storage �
1072 N. Lemon St.
Orange, CA 92667
RECOMI�lENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Yarger
SECOND D. Turner
AYES Unanimous
5. Request for intersection vision
zone at the northraest corner of ,
Hewes Ave. an d Bond Avenue.
Si1.Z Kurlis
2715 E. B.Z u e Bi rd Ave.
Orange, CA 92669
RECOI�MENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Yarger
SECOND D. Turner
AYES Unanimous
6. Re�uest for intersection vision
� zone at GZasse.Il Street and
Ri verda.Z e Avenu e.
Virgil. Fransen
P. O. Box 1788
Orange, CA 92667
RECOMMENDATION: Approve MOTION D. Yarger
SECOND D. Turner
AYES Unanimous
CONSIDERATION ITEMS
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A. Request for insta.Zlation of 4-way A 4-way STOP control device warrant study
S2'OP control at the intersection was conducted at the subject intersectionn
of Meads Ave./Windes Dr. and ;'
Santiago Canyon Road. Santiago Canyon Rd. , an e�rtension of Katella
Ave. easterly of the Rt. 55 Freeway, is
Richard Siebert classified as � primary roadway with 100
Orange Park Associati.on, Inc. feet of curb-to-curb distance. Santiago
P. O. Box 2365 Canyori Rd: , wester.Zy of Meads Ave./Wzndes Dr. ,
Orange, CA 92669 � c.urrently belongs to the County of Orange,
, is not fully improved up ,to the Master
RECOMMENDATION: Deny P.Zan of Arteria.Z Highway standards.
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Field measurements indicate a street width
of 40 feet along this :section of Santiago
Canyon Road. Because.of the difference
in street width, on.Iy one through lane is
striped in each trave] direction.
Meads Ave./Windes Dr. is a residentia�
collector road, serving residential tracts
and trips to and from the Santiago Oaks
Regio.nal Park norther.Zy of Santiago
Can�on Rd. , and connecting to Orange Park
. Bl vd. sou therl y of San ti ago Can�on Road.
This street is mostly unimproved and has
a pavement width of approximately 30 feet.
Traffic on this street is contro.Zl.ed by
STOP signs, yielding rig.ht-of-way to
traffic on Santiago Canyon Road.
Field study shows no deficiency in signing
a��2 d striping at the study area. The
posted speed limit on San tiago Canyon Rd.
is 40 MPH.
P�7 peak period (4-6 P.M.) turning counts
- recorded a total of 759 vehicles entering
� int� thi� intersectio.n. 669 vehicles were
counted on Santiago Canyon Rd. , anc� 90
vehicles were counted on Meads Ave./Windes
Dr. during thzs hour.
One accident has been reported and is
susceptible to correction by the requested
traffic control measure in the past 3 years.
On the basis of accident history, traffic
vo3umes, and intersection alignment and
design, the intersection fails to satisfy
the minimum requir,ements for the
installation .of a 4-way STOP control device.
Existing turn lanes on Santiago Can�on Rd.
have sufficient storage length for vehicles
while waiting to make .Zeft turns into
Meads Ave./inTindes Drive. This minimizes
rear-end accident potential..�
A review of the accident history does not
� a11ow a significant improvement shou.Zd a
4-way STOP contro.Z be installed. It is
like.Iy, however, that a 4-way STOP control
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device at this intersection wou.Zd increase
the likelihood of rear-end accidents on
Santiago Canyon Rd. , due to the high
prevailing speed.
It is therefore the recommendation of the
Traffic En.gineering Divisicn that the
request for the installation of a 4-way
STOP control device at the subject
intersection be denied.
DISCUSSION
B. Dennis - With all the new development
in this area we wi11 be keeping appraised
of this situation. It is our intention of
signalizing this intersection when increased
development warrants, and then the
developer wi11 contribute 50% towards the �
cost of this signal.
RECOMMENDA TION: Deny
120TION D. Turner
, SECOND D. Smith
� AYES Unanimous
B. R�questd installatzon of STOP In accordance with this req�uest a warrant
control a� the i.ntersection of stud� was conducted to find if this
I�asnin�gton Ave. and Park Street. intersection met the requirements for
the instal.Zation of a S�'OP control device.
Edmund P. Werner
815 S. Esplanade St. PM peak period (4-6 P.1�.) turning counts
Orange, CA 92�69 at this intersection indicates a total of
133 vehicles. . 103 vehic.Zes were counted
RECOA7I�E�'�DATTON: Approve on Washington Aue. while 30 vehicles were
eounted' on Park S�. during the same time.
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There were four accidents within the past
two years .recorded at thi� 1oca�ion, two
of which occurred during the past 12 months.
This intersection satisfies the minimum
tra�o-way STOP control warrants on the basis
of traffic volumes and accident history.
Based on the above analysis, it is
� recommended to insta.Z1 a 2-way STOP control
device on Park Street at Washington Avenue,
A11 necessary STOP bars, legends, and _
signs wi.Zl be ir�stalled accordingly.
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DISCUSSION
Edmund P. Werne,r, who initiat�d the
request, presented a petition from the
residents of the area supporting the
requested STOP. control device to the
Commission.
RECOMMENDATION
Approve
} MOTION D. Yarger
. SECOND D. Turner .
AYES Unanimous
C. Requested modifica�ion of center It was reported to the �'raffic Commission
.Zane and turn:ing pocket on that the prob.Zem was resultant from the
Santiago .B.Zvd. at Brookside Ln. interseetion of Brookside Lane and the
for RaZpn's Grocery Center. main entrance i.nto the Ra.Zph's Shopping
Center being offset in the wrong direction.
Traffic Engineering Divisiori This conditic�n results in very Zimited
City of Orange left turn st'orage for either th� street
or shopping center, and in both cases,
. that storage available is being used for
• deceleratione It was the recommendation
of the Traffic Division that although a
�imited left turn volume exists at the
shopping cen�ter left turns into the center
. should be provided and availab.Ze storage
be allocated to the dedicated public stree�.
RE.COMl�1ENDATION
Delay this action for 30 days and .meet with
staff from the City of Vi11a Park for
suggestions of mitigating �his issue.
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MOTION G. Shaw
- SECOND D, Smitl�
AYES Unanimbus
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D. Request for.- instal.lation af STOP Pursuant to this request, a STOP cont.rol
control device at the intersection traffic study was conducted. Map1e Ave.
of Steu'ens Street and Map.Ze Avenue. and Stevens St. are both residential
roadways in the studz� area. Map.Ze Ave.
Dozzg Carraway runs in a eas�-west dzrection with a
205 N. Stevens St. cu:rb-to-curb width of 45' and allows
Orange,. CA 92668 on-street parking.
RECOMMENDATI:ON: Approve Stevens St. runs in a north-south direction
with a curb-to-curb width af 35` . Stevens
St. terminates at its nortnern end in a
cul-de-s�ac and at its southern end at
„ Chapman Aven.ue. Stevens St. allows
on-street parki.ng. .
PM peak period (5-6 P.M.) turning count
indicates a total of,134 vehicles. 115
vehieles were counted on Map1e Ave. , while
19 vehicZes were counted on Stevens Street.
No recorded accidents were found in the past
.Z2 months at� th.zs intersection. This
interseetion satisfies th� minimum warrant
requirements' for a 2-way STOP control
, device.
RECOMMENDATION
Control approach�ng traffie on Stevens St.
with �510P sigxz.s at Map1�e Avenue, .the
appropriate �'�OP bar and legends wi.I1 be
ins�alled aecordingl�,
h20Z'ION D. Tt�rner
SECOND M. Baumann
A��ES Unanimous
Ee Request for �he ir�stallation �f The basi.s of .this request is to provide safe
a pedestrian crosswalk at the pedestrian crossing ta the Orange Mobile
junction �af �leats Aue. arid the Home .Park for res�idents accessing Meats Ave.
dri vewaz� of the Target Store.
The Traffic Engineering `Division has
Car.I Irvine carefu.Zly reviewed th� site and evaluated
193I: E. Meats Ave. , Sp. 44 the pros and cons of the requested cross-
Orange, CA 92665 walk at the sub,ject intersectic�n. Staff
rea.Zizes the increased traffic as a result
RECOMMENDATION: Deny ' of the Target S�ore's dr.ivew�y to Meats
A�enue. The frontage road north of P�irk
L,n. is thus serving both the Target Store
in'��addition �o the Orange Mabile Home Park.
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However, field inspection indicates that the
requested crosswa.Zk location wouYd mislead
the users onto .the north side ,of Meats Ave.
where it is currently unimproved. A
pedestrian crosswalk without proper refuge
area at its ends may cause the opposite effect
by exposing its users to passing vehicular
traffic, and possib3y creating unintended
accidents to especially unfami.Ziar users
due to the nearby open storm ditch, while
waiting to cross the street.
" D.ISCU�SION
Carl Irvine - I also requested that the
bushes be trimmed, which has been done.
Tl�is is very essential in my mind due to the
fact that the high .Zeve1 of speeds of traffic
does not a.Z1ow peopl.e enough time to get �
across the street.
Deanna Smith - Cou1d we ta�k to the people
a� the Target Store about providing a refuge
and find out what the cost would be, and then
have a crosswalk installed?
RECOMMENDATION
Deny request, bu� instruct Traffic Engineering
Di vision to approach the Target Store about
installing the sidewalk on the west side of
the frontage road (between Meats Ave. and
the north property line of the frontage road)
and to instal'1 a crosswa.Zk.
MOTION. D. Yarger
SECOND D. Smith
AYES Unanimous
F. Request for the removal of rumble The request for the instal.Zation of the
strips on LaVeta Ave. near rumble strips was mac�e by Mr, Brad Rollins
Devon Road. in Januarz� .Z 985, shortl y after the fa ta.Z
accident occurred on LaVeta Ave. at Devon Road.
Bradley R. Palfrey Prior to the 'approval of such a traffic device
Property Manager staff advised a.Z1 concerned residents of the
P. O. Box 6348 negative impact, namely the increased noise
Orange, CA 92667 level expected from the rumble strips.
RECOMMENDA TION: Approve -
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In November I986, the Traffic Engineering
Division received a petition. for the removal
of these rumble strips. The basis of the
request is the noise disruption generated
by vehieles driving over the rumble strips.
Once again, the Traffic Engineering staff
informed a11 potential:.Z affected residents
and there were only three residents in favor
of the removal attending the December 1985
Traffic Commission meetin�. Since the City :
is curren�l y self-insured, the issue of
liability in accidents was raised shou�d the
rumble strips be removed ,without justifiable
� reasons. Discussion with the City Attorney
. suggests the Traffic Commission hear both
. parties together and to approve such removal
only if such traffic device is deemed to
cause hazardous effect with sufficent
evidence and public support.
DTSCUSSION �
Bradle� Palfrey - Presented to the Commission
a letter from his on-site apartment manager,
Ms. Afra Dreher, protesting the noise level
generated b�' these rumble strips along with
a 30-day notice of intention to vacate from
one resident as a direct result of this noise.
Mr. Brad Ro.Ilins - Indicated that he fel�
the rumble strips have done a very good job
of alerting motorists of the crosswalk ahead
and that they should not be removed.
Bernie Dennis - Indica�ed tha:t for a minimum
of $5,000 - $6,000 we could replace the
rumble strips with a 'yell.ow flashing :Zight
to indicate tl�e crosswalk is ahea.d, and that
in his professional judgement a flashing
Zight would be a good alternative.
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RECOI�IMENDATION
Remove the rum.�le .strips in the eastbound
travel lane and in'sta1l a flashing z�ellow
warning device.
��IOTION G. Sha w
SECOND D. Yarger
AYES Unanimous