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1997-09-03 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange Design Review Board MINUTES for Wednesday, September 3, 1997 Board Members Present: Tim McCormack Steven McHarris Steve Prothero (Chair) Robert Reilly* ("Arrived at approximately 6:20 p.m.) Board Members Absent: Rick Cavecche Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at approximately 10:00 P.M. Regular Session - S: 00 P.M. Steven Prothero opened the meeting and asked whether the board members had any comments or revisions to the minutes of August 6, 1997, and August 20, 1997. A motion was made by Steve McHarris to approve the minutes of August 6. 1997, and August 20, i 997 as submitted. SECOND: Tnia McCor~lack AYES: Tim McCormack, Steven Mcl~arris, Steve Prothero NULS: done ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly ABSTAINED: None City of Orc~n~ge -Design Review Board Meeting Minutes for September 3, 1997 Page 2 (1) DRB No. 3235 Mr. & Mrs. Tom Grochow 325 N. Harwood Street James & R. Nell Manos • New 2 story second dwelling unit and demolition of an existing carport • R-2-6 (Residential -Duplex) District, Old Towne. Mr. Tom Grochow, owner of the property, presented the project to the DRB. The proposal is to demolish the existing detached garage and constrrlet a new second dwelling unit over a 3 car garage at the rear of the property. The intent is match the architecture of the existing house, which is a small, single story bungalow built in 1910. The plans have been revised several times, after meeting with City planning staff. There have been discussions on redesigning the project to a one and one- half story structure rather than a two story structure. The project is scheduled for Planning Commission hearing on October 6, 1997. The board finds the following: • The building's large footprint area results in minimal rear and side yard setbacks. • Based on the floor plan layout, this is considered a two story structure, although it appears that an attempt has been made to soften the second story portion of the building. • Although not a pure architectural style, the new structure somewhat matches the existing front house. • 'The large size of the building creates excessive bulls and amass that is not compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. • Due to the 2 story design and minimal setback of the building, the issue of privacy for the adjoining properties is a concern. Mr. Grochow stated that there are six (6) houses on the block that are as high or higher than the proposed structure. There are eight (8) properties that also have second dwelling units in the back. f1t least five (5) of those are 2-story structures. T11e board stated that a positive recommendation cannot be made with the project at its present form. The board offered to continue the project for substantial plan modifications. The board suggested the following changes: • Reduce overall size of building and increase setback from property lines. Maintain roof eave overhang as shown on plan. • The existing front house is Bungalow style. More attention should be given to details such as window type, column design, and gable end treatment to better match the existing house. • Driveway along south side should be narrowed to 3 ft. wide pavement strips rather than the 6 ft. shown on plans. This would allow a 3 ft. wide landscaping strip. • Pavement at the rear driveway area should be setback at least 5 ft. from the edge of the existing tree. • Provide double hung wood windows through out to match existing. • Add window at the front entrance to the new unit for visibility. • Delete trellis patio at reax of building. (Building setback problems) City of Ora~zge -Design Review 13oc~~-~l Meeting Minutes for September 3, 1997 Page 3 Mr. Grochow declined continuance of the project and opted for the board's recommendation so he can move forward to the Planning Commission. MOTION by Steve Prothero to recommend denial of this project to the Planning Commission, based on the above stated findings. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Tim McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steve Prothero NOES: None ABSENT: Rick Cavecche, Robert Reilly ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Or~an~ge -Design Review 13oa~°d Meeting Minutes for September 3, 1997 Page 4 (2) DRB No. 3237 Community Services Department Handy Park - 2143 E. Oakmont Avenue Meyer & Associates • Improvements for a public park to include a new activity building, snack bar, restrooms, and picnic shelters. • R-1 (Residential -Single Family) District The project was presented by Tess Garcia, Community Services staff, and Randy Meyer, Landscape Architect. This is an existing public park with several ball fields and restroom facilities. The proposal is to add a snack bar, activity building, and a trellis picnic area. The existing landscaping would be enhanced by replacing the damaged plants and adding some new planting materials. This item was continued from July 9, 1997 for more detailed plans and a better explanation of the overall scope of the project. The DRB expressed concern with the large mechanical equipment enclosure on top of the activity building. The screen walls are overwhelming and seem to severely distract the architecture of the building. The DRB suggest that other alternatives be looked at to mitigate this problem. Perhaps it can be ground momited instead, or maybe it can be mounted lower on the building so that it is less obtrusive. The DRB also suggested that the split face blocks have more of a color contrast to give the building a more pleasing appearance. As for the snack bar, Mr. McCormack suggested that a wider counter be provided at the service window to allow for a more efficient operation. Mr. Meyer explained that the mechanical equipment is roof mounted to prevent public access and vandalism. Due to budget constraints, the equipment cannot be relocated without incurring substantial cost increase. As for the split face blocks, the different colors would have to be special ordered, this in turn would become a cost issue unless he can find a manufacture that already have these colors in stock. The counter area for the snack bar cannot be widened because the service window is recessed from building face. The landscaping plans can be submitted for the next meeting. MOTION by Tim McCormack to continue this item to the next meeting for fiirther review of the following items: 1. Submit landscaping plans. 2. The issue of the mechanical equipment for the activity building needs to be further studied. Suggest ground mounted, or lower it so that it is less obtrusive. 3. Submit finish material and color samples. SECOND: Steve I'rothero A.yES: Tni~ McC`ormaclc, Steven McHanis, Steve Prothero. Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: Rick Cavecche ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Bourd Meeting Minutes,for September 3, 1997 Pcz~e 5 (3) DRB No. 3245 Santiago Hills Auto Spa SWC Chapman Avenue & Jamboree Rd KHR Associates • Proposed new automotive service station, car wash, mini-market, and tube facility • PC (Planned Community) District The project was presented by John Dilauro, Architect, and Nassar Nobust, owner. The proposal is to construct an automotive service station with full service car wash, and Tube/oil change facility. The project is located within the Albertson's shopping center at the southwest corner of Chapman Avenue and Jamboree Road. This is a recommendation to the Planning Commission. The DRB asked how this project would impact the existing landscaping, especially along the area where it cuts into the existing slopes, and how it all ties together. The proposed plant palette needs to better blend in with the rest of the center. The board also raised concerns with the views of the building from the street elevation. The overall concept is acceptable, however, more refinement and details are needed. MOTION by Steve Prothero to reconm~end approval of this project to the Planning Commission subject to the following conditions: 1. Chapman and Jamboree elevations should be further studied with emphasis on the scale of the tower elements. 2. Pump island canopy should be further studied. Suggest a canopy that incorporates trellis elements that are used throughout the project. 3. Landscaping plans should be further developed to interface with the existing landscaping of the shopping center. 4. Landscaping concept should have more of a Mediterranean theme. 5. Submit signage plans to DRB 6. Prior to issuance of building permits, final site, building and landscape plans shall be reviewed and approved by the DRB. SECOND: Steve McHarris AYIJS: Tim McCoi7izack, Steven McHanis, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOLS~ No1e ABSENT: Riclc Cavecche ABSTAINT~D~ None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Revieti~ f3ocrrd Meetir7~g Minutes for September 3, 1997 Page 6 (4) DRB No. 3247 Todai Restaurant 2203 Orange Mall Hiroaka-Ko & Associates • Proposed restaurant expansion at the Mall of Orange • C-TR (Commercial -Tustin Street Redevelopment) District The project was presented by Yoon Ko -Project Architect, and Barbara Toth for the Mall of Orange. This is a new Japanese buffet style restaurant that is moving into the former El Torito Restaurant. Approximately 2,500 sq.ft. is being added to increase its overall size to 9,000 sq.ft. A new low wal] is added along the front to match the existing restaurant (Red Robin) on the opposite side of the mall entrance. The DRB raised concerns with addition of the new awning. What type of material, and is it translucent? What about signage? The board also asked if the grease interceptor can be relocated to the back of the restaurant? Another issue is the location of the colonnades. The plans shows only a 3 ft. distance behind the colonanades, and a 4 ft wide pedestrian sidewalk. The DRB also suggested that a 5 ft. wide landscape planter be added at flze north end of the building to help screen the new handicap ramp. MOTION by Steve Prothero to approve the project on a conceptual basis, subject to submittal of final plans to incorporate the following: 1. Submit material and color sample including awning fabric and storefront glass. 2. Relocate grease interceptor from the landscaping area out to the drive aisle. (underground). 3. Recommend that the colonnades be moved back to provide additional pedestrian sidewallc width, and that the planter edge be moved up to the back of the colonnades. 4. Provide a minimum 5 ft. wide landscape planter at the north cnd of the building to help screen the new handicap access ramp. Clarify how the handicap access ramp transitions to the sidewallc. 5. Submit signage plans. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Tim McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOES: None ABSENT: Rich Cavecche ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Boarcl Meeting Minutes for Septem~be~° 3, 1997 Page 7 (5) DRB No. 3248 Danny K's Billiards & Sportsbar 1098 N. Main Street Bellflower Neon Sign Company • New freestanding sign and relocation of an existing wall sign • M-2 (Industrial) District The project was presented by Earl Thompson -Bellflower Neon Sign Company. The proposal is to re-face an existing wall sign and relocate it from the east building elevation to the west building elevation, and to construct a new 15 ft high freestanding sign along Main Street. MOTION by Robert Reilly to approve this project subject to the following conditions: 1. Provide an opaque background, including the reader board. 2. Perimeter neon Lo be set into a channel on the outside. 3. Address numbers shall be illuminated. SECOND: Tim McCormack AYES: Tim McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steve Prothero, Robert Reilly NOhS: None ABSF,NT: Rick Cavecche ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orurzge -Design Review Boarcl lldeeting Minutes for September 3, 1997 Pugs 8 Discussion item: 61 DRB No. 3249 Mills Corporation Former City Shopping Center complex Elbasani & Logan Architects • Preliminary design concept of the Mills Shopping Center Complex • C-2 (General Business) District Preview of conceptual design of the new Mills shopping center at the former The City Shopping Center site. No action was taken as this is only a discussion item.