1997-02-19 Final DRC MinutesCity of Orange
Design Review Board
MINUTES
for Wednesday, February 19, 1997
Board Members Present
Board Members Absent
Staff in Attendance
Tim McCormack
Steven McHarris
Steven Prothero (Chair)
Robert Reilly
Richard Cavecche
Chuck Lau, Associate Planner
Administrative Session - 4: 30 P.M.
The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 P.M. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 7:30 P.M.
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Regular Session - S: 00 P.M.
Steven Prothero opened the meeting and asked whether board members had any comments or revisions
to the meeting minutes for February 5, 1997.
A motion was made by Robert Reilly to approve the minutes as sLibmitted.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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Regular Session -
(1) DRB No. 3134
Century Theatres Construction of restaurant and retail
NWC Katella Ave./Main St. buildings in an entertainment center
• Building elevations, landscape plans and a
sign program
• C-R (Commercial Recreational) District
The project was presented by Mark Fehlman -Fehlman-LaBarre Architects, Steven Copley -Nowell &
Associates Landscape Architects, and Ruben Andrews -Graphic Solutions
The previous submittal involved only the theater complex building, and was approved by the DRB on
October 23, 1996, subject to approval of a final landscape plans. This submittal includes the adjacent
Buildings A, B,C,D,& E, which are arranged to form a large open courtyard to be used primarily as a
outdoor dining area. The dining area is tied-in with the entry court area to the theater complex with a
curvilinear hardscape banding design with colored paving patterns. Some minor changes were also made
which eliminated the initial curvature shape layout of the buildings.
Buildi~ig Elevations -Although the board preferred the curvature building design of the previous
submittal, the overall concept of the buildings and site layout was acceptable. The board also stated that
there needs to be another submittal with more details such as the type of the inset on the columns, the
specific finishes of each of the buildings, how the roof materials are being treated, how are each of the
awnings being handled, etc. More detail also needs to be shown at the pedestrian level with specific
color palettes of each of the buildings, including the ground pavement patterns and colors. The board
also need to see a submittal of the actual materials of the street funliture being used including pedestrian
lighting, and the type of fence design used to separate areas for serving of alcoholic beverages.
Lanrtscapin~ -The use of Oleander shrubs is not recommended, as it is susceptible to bacterial disease
problems. The planting of Camphor trees in the planting island fingers is not recommended because
surface roots would displace the curb and gutter. Concerns were also raised by Tim McCormick with
the proposed use of Gleditsia in the parking lot area because it is a rather small tree being spaced too far
(approx. 54ft. on center) apart. The use of London Plane tree is suggested, as it is a larger shade tree.
Also, the use of Italian Cypress at the entry area works well, as it is malting a strong statement.
However, this does not work well along the south and west project boundary 1i11es, especially along the
Orange County Flood Control channel. The tree should have more of a "river" theme such as the
Lombardy Poplar. The spacing of these trees along the river bed should be in groups and informally
spaced. Steve Coply, landscape Architect, replied that the Polar and London Plane tree would be a
maintenance problem as it is a deciduous tree which creates leave litter. These trees are also known for
having invasive surface roots as well as sucker growth problems. They prefer the use of a smaller scale
evergreen tree with less maintenance and does not interfere with parking lot lighting. They will resubmit
a new planting palette to the DRB that would better address these concerns. (The applicant was provided
with a set of marked-up plan for corrections).
Sig~T.age -The proposed sign program consists of signs that are made of a mixture of various colors,
materials, and lighting. Typical "Can" or pre-manufactured cabinet type signs are prohibited. 1Jach sign
would be unique with a diversity of lettering type and style. The objective of the criteria is to encourage
design creativity while keeping with overall theme of the center's entertainment atmosphere. It was
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noted fllat the proposed sign program do not meet the City's cui7ent sign ordinance. It is the applicant's
intention to go through the necessary procedures (variance) for any code related issues.
MOTION by Steven McHarris to approve the project in concept, subject to the following conditions:
1. Prior to issuance of building permits, submit final plans to DRB for approval. Final site plan should
retain the curvilinear hardscape banding design that is being shown on this submittal.
2. Final submittal shall consist of samples of all finishing colors and materials, including awnings,
lighting fixtures within the courtyard and in the parking lot area, street furniture, benches, fencing,
cornice details, glazing, bollards, the work, roofing material, parapet wall details, etc. (The level of
detail shall be at least the same as the final submittal for the main theater buikdings).
3. The use of Gleditsia and Italian Cypress tree is strongly discouraged. Submit new planting palette
with trees that are more substantial in size that has a larger canopy. Trees along the flood conhol
channel should have more of a "river" theme, and spaced in less formak groupings.
4. The trees along all entry drives shall be matching.
5. Provide concrete in end island planters in the parking lot area.
Replace mulch areas with Lonicera groundcover or equivalent in tree wells.
Provide double row hedge wherever applicable.
Provide linear root barriers at end island planters in parking lot area.
The proposed sign program is approved in concept, subject to following through with all the proper
procedures for any deviations from the current sign ordinance. Each individual tenant signage shall
be submitted to the D1ZB and reviewed on a case to case basis.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: Steven Prothero
MOTION CARRIED
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(2) DRB No. 3167
Jesse Martinez
137 S. Parker St.
Jeff Salmi
• Addition onto an existing residence and
construction of a new detached, 2-story
second dwelling unit in Old Towne.
• Review of final landscape plans.
• R-3 (Residential Multiple Family) zone
Jeff Salmi, Project Architect, presented the final landscape plans to the board. The board had approved
the final site plan and building elevations on October 9, 1996. Most of the landscaping on site exist with
the front house.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve the plans subject to the following conditions:
I . Provide an automatic in-igation system. Irrigation plans to be reviewed and approved by Community
Services Department staff.
2. Provide 12 inch square vine pockets along the north property line and plant Boston Ivy at 6 ft. on
center.
3. The open parking stall located adjacent to the new apartment unit shall be shortened to 18 ft. deep to
provide additional planting area.
4. Provide 3-15 gallon trees behind the new apartment unit, one tree on the north side and 2 on the east
side of the building. Recommend medium size evergreen trees (i.e. Pittosporum) that would grow to
no more that 30 ft. high and no larger than an 18 ft. canopy at maturity.
5. Provide vertical shade trees (Palm), varying in height, in the planting area behind the front house
adjacent to the existing spa.
SECOND: Timothy McCormack
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(3) DRB No. 3195
Earl's Restaurant Proposed installation of exterior neon
807 N. Tustin Street lighting for an existing restaurant
Action Sians (Jeff Fullerton) C-1 (Limited Business) District
Jeff Fullerton, Action Signs, presented the revised plans to the DRB. The previous plans showed 3 strip
of neon (Green, white, Green) around the entire building. The revised proposal has only 2 strips of neon,
green and white, and the overall amount of neon used is substantially reduced. Anew wall sign "Earl's
Home Cookin" has been added on the north side of the building.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to continue review of this application with the following suggestions:
1. Revised plans should be properly drawn to scale.
2. Remove existing flood lights on top of building.
3. Submit actual color sample of neon lighting.
4. The background of "Earls" painted text be behind the neon for Earl's.
5. "Home Cookin" maybe either reverse channel letters or internally open face can lettering.
6. The neon around the perimeter of the sign be continuously set inside the green banding, and that one
strip of white neon run around the perimeter at the top of the fascia at the fi-ont of the building.
SECOND: Robert Reilly
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecchc
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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New Proposals -
(4) DRB No. 3198
St. Joseph Medical Group
845 E. Chapman Avenue
Signage Solutions
• Replacement wall signs for an existing
medical office building in Old Towne.
• O-P (Office Professional) District
Randy Gates presented the project to the DRB. The proposal is to replace the existing wall signs with
individual lettering made of metal. The lighting is external overhead "Gooseneck" type period lighting
fixture.
MOTION by Steven Prothero to approve this application subject to the following conditions:
1. The proposed "Gooseneck" exterior lighting fixture (Angle Reflector - no larger than an AD 150) is
approved.
2. The fixture is approved in white color.
3. The lighting fixture shall be fed from back of the parapet wall, mounted centered through the
entablature between the 2 cornice bands.
4. Provide 4 lighting fixtures per wall sign.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero, and Robert Rei11y
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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(5) DRB No. 3199
Experian New wall signs for 2 existing office
500 & 505 City Parkway West buildings
Signs & Services Company C-2 (General Business) District
MOTION by Steven Prothero ~o approve plan for new wall signs as submitted.
SECOND: Steven McHarris
AYES: Timothy McCormack, Steven McHarris, Steven Prothero and Robert Reilly
NOES: None
ABSENT: Richard Cavecche
ABSTAINED: None
MOTION CARRIED