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04-14-1993 - Minutes TC � � � y �� � .� �;.�::_:-. ,����t�rrr:;_,:�?��a - CITY OF ORANGE MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Date of Meeting: April 14, 1993 ROLL CALL -PRESENT - CONIlVIISSIONERS: 7. FORTIER, N. HOWER, B. LEMING, F. SCIARRA ABSENT - COl�Il�IISSIONERS: D. YARGER PRESENT - STAFF: B. DENrTIS, C. GLASS, D. ALLENBACH LT. E. TLTNSTALL, P. THEN I. APPROVAL OF MINUTES March i0, 1993 -APPROVE as published by Recording Secretary. MOTION: B. Leming SECOND: F. Sciana AYES: Unanimous II. CONSENT CALENDAR 1. Request for the installation of 'NO PARKING ANYTIME' restrictions on Regency, Meredith and Hillsborough. Kimberly Onishi, Community Manager Keystone Pacific Property Management, Inc. 3919 Westerly Pl., Suite 200 Newport Beach, CA 92660 Monique Keitz, Parking Committee Chairperson Belmont Estates Community Association 4248 E. Cornwall Ave. Orange, CA 92667 RECONIlVIEENDATION: That the CTC, by motion, APPROVE the installation of 'NO PARiZING ANYTIME' restrictions on the east side of ReFency Ave. between ViaEscola Ave. and Meredith St. MOTION: F. Sciarra . SECOND: B. Leming ,_ . .. AYES: Unanimous 2. Request for the iytstallation of ayt additional 30 feet of red curb at the parking � lot entrance�ocated on the north side of Katella Ave. easterly of Handy St. Don Dawson 2302 VanOwen Av�. Orange, CA 9266`7 RECOMMENDATION: That the CTC, by motion, APPROVE the request. MOTION: �. Sciarra SECOND: B. Leming AYES: Unanimous 3. Request for the installatiflM of a `1 HDIIR' parking zotze in front of 402/410 N. Classeil St. Dr.Ned S. I�horey 4Q�N. Glasseli St. C�range, CA 9266b R.EC011�I1✓��TDATI+ON: That the CTC, by rnotion, DENY the request. MOTII�N: �. Sciarra S��OI�TD: B. Lerr�ing AYE"S: Unanirnous ` 4. �.equest for the r�moval of all scliool related signing and pavement legercds un Meats Ave. between Cambridge St. and Tustin St. Traf�ic Engineering i�ivision City of Orange � Commissioner Lemin� - Since w�e have this request � assume this is because this school facility �s not being u�+ed, �nd I was �vondering if we could go ahead and do this out by McPherson School,which would be Prospect and Palm. �Bernie Dennis-That is an excellent suggestion. The reason we are making this request is that we have a difficult enough tirne controlling speeds on streets adjacent to schools that are open, we don't wa.nt to give the illusion that we are either building a trap with a "25 MPH" si�ns, or that we are over-signing for non-usable facilities. We will do this at both schools�d we appreciate your suggestion. ; . g - -RECONIlV�NDATION:-�:That t�e CTC, by motion, APPROVE-the removal of school �� related signing and pavemen�ks.legends on Meats Ave. between �Cambridge St. and Tustin St.; and also on ProspEct S�. and Palm Ave. . - 1V�OTION: B. Leming .�. . ':; . � _ SECOND: F. Sciarra � AYES: Unanimous 2 X III, CONSIDEIZATI�N ITEMS A. Request for the removal of markec� pedestrian crosswalks on Collins Ave. between Cambridge St. and Tustin St. 7oe Fortier, Vice-Chairman City Traffic Commission Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Vice- Chairman Fortier opened the public hea.ring for the foilowing discussion of this request. Vice-Chairman Fortier - I t�.lked ta Dennis Mill�r, P�incipal and he �s real concerned with the mid-bl�ock crosswalk where all the accidents have Qccurred. He wonders �f it was feasible to bl�.cken out the crosswalk now. H� will get notif ca�ion to parents and �tudents and will bodily guard that un#il everyone understands that it is no long�r a crosswalk. Is that possible? Dave �lenbach - We have no problem with that, we were merely suggesting until after the h+�ater re-rni�c project occurs 1�ecause the school term would be �ver and there wouldn't be a problem with re-training students on whi�h routes to utilize, however, if the Principal doesn't have a problem with that we certainl�don't, we can�lack it out. Vice-Chaii-man �ortier - If Mr. Mil�er foil�ows through with what he said he would do it might he�p with the safety of some kids. • Bernie Dennis - �Vhat w� will probab�y do vn that is bl�ck it out rather than sandblast it, and r�ernove the signing. � Vice-Chairman Fortier-If you'll alert me as to when this will occur I will alert Mr. Miller. � Dave Allenbach- As soon as the City Council approves it we will take care of the work. �REC0I��MEN:UATION: That the�TC,by.rnotion APP�O'VE the following: 1. Remove the crosswalk at 1Vlaplewnod/Collins 2. Retain crosswalk at California/L�nn - 3. Install pedestrian warning flasher at Ca�ifornialLynn. This installation will require a budget appropriation and we estimate this cost to be between$10-12,000 4. Remove the�rosswalk at:Shattuck St.1�o11ins Ave. 5, Retain crosswalk at Lincoln St./Collins�4ve. 6. Instruct staff to look into t�e possibility of contacting OUSD to see if we can acquire partial funding for the flasher installation by OUSC, since the benefit will be to OITSD. MOTiO�:�=- B. Leming SECOND:;�. N. Hower � .AYES: :Unanimous a . . � , >� 3 Y � B. Request for the removal of marked pedestrian crosswalks on 1Viain St: and Sycamore Ave. Joe Fortier, Vic�-Chairmat� City Tra�c Cornmission Oral pres�entation is based on the written staf�'report, please refer to your copy. Vice- Chairman Fortier opened the public hearing for the following discussion of this request. � Vice-Chairman �ortier - Wouid this involve the installation of the "oversize" signs automatically, or would we have to request their use? RECOMIV�NDAT�ON: That the CTC, by motion, APPROVE the request. MOTTflN: F, Sciarra SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: L�nanimous Bernie Dennis -Mr. Fartier will you take the lead in this a.nd notify the school principal of our action toda.y? Vice-Chairman Fortier-Yes I will. �. Request for th� i�t,�tallut�on of u 3-T�T��y STOP control device at the intersection of . �egency Ave. an�i 1wl�redith St. . I�mberly�n�shi,�Cornmunity Manager Keystone Pacific Prop�rty Management, Tnc. . 3919 Wesxerly Pl., Suite:�0� Newpor�Beach, CA 92�60 Monique Keitz,Parkin,g�ommittee Ghairperson Belmont Estat�s�ommunity Asso�iation 4248 E. Cornwa��Ave. - Orange,CA �2667 Oral presentation is based on the written staf�report, please refer to�your copy. Vice- Chairman�ortier opened the�ublic hearing for discussion on this request. Cornrnissioner Sciarra-Who would be responsible for moving that STOP bar and creating a larger vision zone? Dave All�nbach�Ci�y sta#�would do this. ;;�- � Kimberl,�flnrshiL Keystone Pacific Propertv Mana eg ment - I have a petition signed by some of the homeowner's for the requested ST4P sign. This requesx is based on the � interest of safety for the community, there have been`�reports of several "near-miss" accidents at this intersectiori due���o the fact that the neighborhood drivers are negligent when paying attention to the��res� of the traf�ic, we're hoping the STQP signs will help keep the community a little safer. 4 �. Vice-Chairman Fortier - The residents feel it is a dangerous intersection and that's the request for the STOP sign, is it because of motorists speed or the proximity of the road curvature and that there is a sight pi-ob�em?' Kirnberly Onishi - Yes, it curves and �t's a pretty well used intersection and there have been many reports of near-miss accidents at several homeowner`s meetings lately. Commissi4ner Sciarra -Don't you feel that when parking is removed on Meredith St, that it will improve the visibility of oncoming traf�ic at this intersection? Kimberl,y Onishi - We would have to see how that affects it, but I'm sure that would help quixe a bit. Vice-Chairman Fortier-�he relocation of the STOP bar may help also, �Commissioner Lemin� - �t�ther thing that may help with visibili�ty wc�uld be for your asso�iation to look at the landscaping currently in place at this intersection, and if some of it can be removed nx trimmed back to help improve visibiiity you may be able to assist the city�n their ei�orts to improve rnotorists safety. Bernie Dennis - Did you unde�-stanc� the first action regarding the posting of the 'NO PARI�,ING ANYT�' signs on the east side of Regency? The failure to install those signs, or the installa�ion and subsequent removal of thos�e si,gns, whatev�r happened is a violatian of the State Map Act. It's not a matter that the Comrnission can resolve or anyone individually, and don't revievv this as a request, view it more �n the sense tha.t this . a�solutely has to be dane;.and also view �t i�the sea�se that there prabably is some liability � involved bo�h to your property management �ompany and very possibly an+� in all like�ihood to the c+on�rnunity assa�ciation. r would suggest that you resolve this � immediately. RECOlVIlV�NDATIO�T; That�he CTC,�y motion, DENY the request. M4TION: N. Hower �ECOND: B. Leming AYES: ZJnanimous - , . , ._ . � a, - :. ... . �� ' ;. �. . _ , , - � � .., . )s' 5 . , D. Request to permanently close Broftson Ave. at Bedford Rd. Carl Clugston 573 S. Devon Rd. Orange, CA 92667 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Vice- Chairman Fortier opened the pu�lic hearing for discussion on this request. Bernie Dennis - Both the city's current financial situation, which can probably be at�ticipated to continue for se�veral years, we have no burning desire to maintain a street that isn't u�ed. Although I agree with Dave, I question the possibility of diverting traffic from MainPlace�r from LaVeta clown�o Bronsan and subsequently into that area. By the same token T can't see, if this is a burning issue to that neighborhood, that it's of that much concern to the city one way or the other. If the residents are able to resolve the iss�e the street a.nd keep in mind per our diagram, there is driveway access �ff Bronson to 592 Bedford an�1 591 Crest Rd. If the residents are able to resolve that issue and if indeed Bronso�was dedicated to �he city in easement, as vve feel it is, and would able to revert bacl�ta the adjacent property owners and if, of course, they're willin;g to acce�t it. If both of the property owners are not willing t+o accept it, we do not want to have a remnant blocked off at both ends, collecting weeds. Another issue tc� b� cansiderec� is the Bedfa�d frontage with the property owner at 592 � Bedford, wau�d he be accessing his property oi�Bedford via a driveway, or woutd he be �oming in of�Crest via Bronson an�d coming in via the "back door"? If that were the case, then this individual wduld requYr�e a 'reciprocal access agreement' between the Crest property owner and hims+elf, These are some of the issues invalved. If also, the CTC takes an action, and in the final analysis a hearing will be required before the Council whereas they w4uld be asl�ed to 'vacate' the street. Again a public hearing would be involved. Y think the CTC decisio�n should be first, is there:a need for the street - far a traffic purpose? What would be served in abandoning it? What would be served in keeping it? But always, when you consider those issues, consider �hat there are yet questions to be answered that are probably beyond the scope or ability of us to make at this point in time. We've been assured by the applicant that both parties involved a.re amenable to the re-distribution of the property. �Ve don't know how they would do that, other than yes in all likelihood #hey would each take the 30 ft. half-street known as Bronson. Another consideration t�at would ha�ve to be made, and this would be consider�d at the public hearing was 'what are, if any' utility easements in the street?" If there�.re.u�ility easements th+en obviously nothing can be done on the property in the form of a permanent structure that could not be done unless the utilities were`relocated, and I seriously doubt for what would may be 3,000 sq.ft. of property gain'for each of the properties,that would pencilxout:��-� .�. . >_. 6 .. J The final issue really involves the status of Bedford per se. There is a possibility in the next 15 years or so, if not sooner but I would expect that long, that Bedford will be improved to a 4-lane facility which would necessitate in all likelihood the acquisition of the Bedford frontages. If you recall that was one of the conditions for approval for MainPlace, one of the mitigation measures. Whether that ever comes to fruition I don't know, I know that it is a condition that stems from either the Phase II or Phase III of that development. Right now they have 1,600,000 sq.ft. developed, if they go to Phase II which is another 1,000,000 sq. ft. then they have certain obligations to make; Bedford could very well be one of those requirements. Maybe it �sn't �.clear cut issue of sho�ld be abandon it, or should we not. From a straight tra#�ic point of view, I think Dave's report pretty well indicated that the stre�t isn't heavily used by vel�icular tra�c. From the city's point of view a 30 ft, half street is just sornething for us to maintain. I would suspect, from s�me of the area residents, probably Bronson af�ords a reasonably convenient by-pass to get out onto Bedford Rd. and maybe up to �use the signalized intersection of Bata�vialLaVeta, As the tra�ic on LaVeta increases the accessibility of the cross-streets, w�ether it be Devon, Crest, Alpine is going to grow increasingly di-f�icult and I will assure you that we have absol�tely no plans, zero plan, tc� impl�ment signalization a� any locatior� other than Bedford/LaVeta. With those points�f view in mind you might want to deliberate it. �Jice-Chairrnan�ortier - Tf�his street is c�ased fhe city has not interest in maintaining the � street, � Bernie Dennis -Frorn right-af-way line to right-of way line. East property line of Crest �, and the west pr�perty�ine�f Bedford, is that the city would abandon. We would have not interest in that secti�n. Vice-Chairman Fortier - You've talked to these property owners and they understand that they would have to maintain that or do something with that property? Berriie�ennis - A�though they say�hat, I don't doubt Carl's word, one of the provisos in the vacation proceedings would be an 'absolute dedication' of that right-of-way back to - these property owr�ers. a�nce they accept that right-of-way, they are on the hood. Vice-Chairman Fortier-I wonder if they understand that? Bern%e Dennis - They would have to, this wQuld be a condition of the abandonment, It would not be a matter of either one of them it would be both or none. There is another interesting ramification too, and that is the property owner's responsibility to find out. o When they accept this property �they had better have some very good legal ad�ice because if they a:ccept that there is a possibility that will change their Proposition 13 umbrella, it could significantly change the value of their property. I have one af these "residual pieces of property", and I called the County on any number of occasion�.�rid �Z've never got the same answer twice. So I just didn't accept the property..� .:�. . >:.� i'll get some of these answers for the CTC regarding the vacation, what the ��mifications a:re in giving the pro���-ty back, and. we wiil notify these two � �roperty owners. � 7 . �.. Commissioner Lemin� - If this were approved would it be a condition that the property owners have to remove the payement section and put in landscaping in the area so it doesn't give the appearance of a street? Bernie Dennis It couid be a requirement of the City Council that there may have to be some remedial work performed on Crest Rd. to close the street. At best the prolongatian of the curb and very possibly sorne kind of a modified turn-around and that would be all at the expense of these two property owners. RECOMIV�NDATION: That the CTC, by motion, CONTINUE the request one month and have stat�send special notiees to the property owners at 591 S. Crest, and 592 S. Bedford, anc� urge them to attend the rneeting due to the responsibilit�es req�ired by these adjacent property owners. , M�TION: B. :Lerning SECOND; F, Sciarra AYES: LTnanimous a IV. ORAL P�E�ENTATION� Bernie Dennis -�We were asked �everal months ago what the impacts would be relative to ist the hiring freeze which was instituted ar�d that hurt us relative to 2 positions in-house for Tra�ic Engineering. We were �lsn asked what was the irnpa�t c�f the 4-da�r work � week, and we°told pe4ple�ve would ma�e a concerted effor� to continue to da the CTC , items on a 30 day tum-around. I don't know if you are av�are �f it or not but w�e are the only Commission or Gammittee�vho does that in the city. I�you �ry �o turn something � around at th�e Planning Cornmission or the City �ouncil within 30 +days �nd � thi�k you'd be in for a big s�rpris�. But, it's starting to both�er us n�w, and i don't know how long we ��:n keep doing this 3Q-day turn around. � wou�d lilce to see it �ontinue �ut � have a #'eeling that some of�hese .req�uests may �lip to 60 days. i�ust wanted to a.rivise you of this fact. �ommissioner �,emin� - When you say 30 days you're talicing about from the time you receive a request you try to get it before us and action taken and recommended to the City Council�vithin 30 days? Bernie Dennis-T'hat is correct: Commissioner Lem_in� - Well I xhink with the budget constraints and the 4-way work week I don't know how you've been able to do it. ' I do like�aving the agenda and staff �reports,ear-ly enough to review them and even view�the site before the meeting and I think rt's important to continue that policy. I want to make sure t�at w hen it comes to � budgeting that:there is enough money for the CTC to do it's job. .w . >_. g .� d , Bernie Dennis - There is sorne real doubt in my mind that if our Commission or if#he Council or if�the city as a whole has rea�ly felt or recognized what the impacts of some of these reductions and restrictions are going to be, and �huck has been out for the last 3+ weeks, in addition to his other duties the prepa�ation of the CTC agenda and reports, for all practical purposes, fell to Dave this month. It would be nice to say to Dave, well why don't you share that with Doug, unfortunaxely Doug has at least 5 major �transportation projects. Or we could have said, why don't we share it with Reggie, Reggie isn't here any more and neither is �avid Kuan. So it's rnultiplying on us. As you notice from your agendas, we haven't any less t4 do in this area. We will continue to do the best we can, we are going to have to come up with a compromise as to how we serve the public and how we serve the CTC, and I think the cQmpromise is that we are probably going to have � to adjust our cut-off dates for reports earlier, we will do what we can and some of them may carry-over. V. ADJOURNIVIENT Discussion of a11 iterns from today's Agenda being complete, and there being no further � requests for action under Oral Presentations, Vice-�hairman Fortier adjourne�l this session � of the CTC to it's next regul.ar meeting. ' °�� Respectfully submitted, � ���t� �-�.-_ Phyllis hen � Recording Secretary City Traffic Co�nmission .� . >�:, 9 a