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01-13-1993 - Minutes TC �..:+ `. �: � '!::�>:': �:..:� ,�„o,• �°•�_.._.. �__..�__ CITY OF ORANGE MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING CITY TRAFFIC COMMISSION Minutes of a Regular Meeting: January 13, 1993 ROLL CALL: Present - Commissioners: D. Yarger, J. Fortier, B. Leming N. Hower, F. Sciarra Present - Staff: B. Dennis, B. Herrick, Lt. E. Tunstall C. Glass, D. Allenbach, P. Then I. ELECTION OF OFFICERS FOR 1993 Election of CHAIRMAN D/CK YARGER was the only nominee for this position. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous Election of VICE-CHAIRMAN JOE FORT/ER was the only nominee for this position. MOTION: F. Sciarra SECOND: D. Yarger AYES: Unanimous II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES October 14, 1992 - APPROVE as published by Recording Secretary. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: F. Sciarra AYES: Unanimous November 4, 1992 - Meeting canceled, no minutes. III. CONSENT CALENDAR 1 . Request for red curb markings at 512 E. Kateila Ave., adjacent to Ozzie's Restaurant. Stephen Paliska Professional Parking Services, Inc. 1100 Main St., #D-2 Irvine, CA 92714 Oral presentation was based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion on this item. RECOiViiViEiVDA�'iOiV: �hat the C�C, by iiiiotion, APPROiiE the request. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous 2. Request for the installation of a driveway vision zone on Trenton Ave. westerly of the residence at 1482 N. Grand St. Deborah Rivet 1482 N. Grand St. Orange, CA 92667 Oral presentation was based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion on this item. RECOMMENDATIQN: That the CTC, by Motion, APPROVE the request. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous 2 3. Request for the installation of a cargo loading zone at 1449 W. Braden Ct. G. David Tayco County of Orange - Social Services 1055 N. Main St., #700 Santa Ana, CA 92701-3616 Oral presentation was based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. There was no discussion on this item. RECOMMENDATION: That the CTC, by Motion, APPROVE the request. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous IV. CONSIDERATION ITEMS A. Request for the installation of a '4-Way STOP' at the intersection of Rancho Santiago Blvd. and Bond Ave. Larry Pore 647 N. Ranchroad Dr. Orange, CA 92669 The applicant has request that this item be continued to the 2-10-93 meeting. - RECOMMENDATION: That the CTC, by Motion, CONTINUE the request until the February 10, 1993 meeting. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous 3 B. Request for an exemption to the '2 Hr.' /imited time parking restrictions in front of 561 N. Pine St. Mr. Edward C. Keswick 561 N. Pine St. Orange, CA 92667 Oral presentation is based on the written staff report, please refer to your copy. Chairman Yarger opened the public hearing for the following discussion: Mickey Kawick, 554 N. Pine St. - The addendum to the Agenda is apparently a misrepresentation of what we originally intended. The intention of our request wa� t� �r�vid� parking perrr�it� f�r the re�ident� of N. Pine St. in order prevent people who live there from receiving parking violations. This has been a problem lately and a number of the residents that need the street for parking have received citations. I have a letter here from Clarence Altisti, 584 N. Pine St. as have a number of other residents. We want to request that we get a permit allowing us to park in excess of the 2 hours, if that is not possible we would like to have the 2 hour limit removed. Commissioner Yaraer - If I understand you correctly they are either looking for a 2 Hr. parking permit or to remove the parking limitation altogether. Mickey Kawick - According to your Traffic Engineering staff there is no provision in the law that allows for a 'more than 2 Hr. parking permit'; is that correct? Vice-Chairman Fortier - That is correct. Mickey Kawick - Then we would like to have the 2 Hr. parking limit removed. Bernie Dennis - This particular 2 Hr. parking limit, as well as a number of others in the area, were installed over a 4-5 year period at the request of residents on each of the streets involved, Pine St. being no exception. The signs were installed principally to avoid long-term parking by the high school. Mr. Kawick indicates that parking problem no longer exists. If that be the case, and the applicant wishes the 2 Hr. parking limit signs be removed, we have to remove it in exactly the same we instafled it; and that is through the petition process involving the people on both sides of your street. We had to advise the people before it went in so everyone knew, now we have to do this to advise them it will be removed, and make sure that they concur. Vice-Chairman Fortier - If the 2 Hr. parking is removed does this not preclude that the high school kids will be back parking on your street? 4 Mickey Kawick - They probably will. The only problem now is that people cannot park in front of their own homes and sometimes that necessary, especially when you have family members over for a few days. During Christmas this really was a problem. Bernie Dennis - I believe that those signs should read, and correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe this is the problem: 2 HOUR PARKING MONDAY thru FRIDAY SCHOOL DAYS ONLY Commissioner Hower - Some of the signs indicate 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. School Days Only. Not all the signs are the same, this is probably the difficulty. Bernie Dennis - See that would solve your weekend and holiday problems, it would continue to give you a problem from 8 a.m to 4 p.m. but, frankly, most people are working then anyway and they could use the driveways. You might want to consider having us re-sign your block appropriately and see how that works before you take the action of removing it, I think you're going to have trouble if you remove it. Edward Keswick, 571 N. Pine St. - My wife initiated this request. I think you've heard the problem that we have, the students are still parking down on the end of the block next to Walnut and they dump all their trash there every afternoon; of course we're not bothered because we're at the middle of the block. There are 3 families on the block that have people who work at night and they sleep during the days; 2 of them have 3 cars and they park 2 in the driveway leaving 1 on the street and that's been the reason they have received tickets. What would you suggest, we were thinking about the permit parking like they have around Chapman University. Bernie Dennis - 1 just spoke with the previous speaker and what I would suggest you all do, is let the department verify and if necessary update the existing signs, make sure we are still talking about 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. on school days only. Now, if you want to apply for the parking permit program, we'll be more than happy to give you the information that will allow you to proceed on along that request. But let's get one issue resolved at a time, let's start out with the signing and then we'll set you up with what you have to do for parking p`ermits. Edward Keswick - Are those the only alternatives we have, either remove the 2 hour parking or have the permit parking program for each resident? s Bernie Dennis - Neither the CVC nor our Ordinance allows us to grant permits for a limited parking sign. In other words, if the sign says '2 Hr. Parking' we can't say this only applies to non-residents. So the options are to keep the 2 Hr, in effect on school days only within the time limits, remove it entirely, or remove it entirely and go for the parking permit program. So you're hedging your bet by keeping your 2 hour parking up to date with the school day only signing, that way you have that to fall back on if for, whatever reason the parking permit program were denied, which it may well be, we don't know. This would cover you both ways. Chairman Yarrc,�er - Closed the public hearing and returns the item to the - Commissions for their further discussion, and or a motion. ����IVIMENDATION: That the CTC, by Motion, ��Nl( the request, and update the current signage to read: 2 Hour Limited Parking 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. School Days Only MOTION: B. Leming SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous C. Request for the installation of a traffic signa/ at the intersection of Canyon View Ave. and Handy Creek Road. Kathy Kessler, Principal Cheryl Vaughan Chapman Hills School 7928 E. Timberland Ave. 170 N. Handy Creek Rd. Orange, CA 92669 Orange, CA 92669 Dave Allenbach - This request comes from the local elementary school as well as an area resident. Staff has conducted a brief study and based on accident history and traffic volume, this intersection would probably not warrant the installation of a traffic signal. However, we are dealing with a horizontal and vertical curve on Canyon View Ave. as well as plant material and a rather large SCE power vault which is in the public right-of-way, westerly of the subject intersection, which is causing a sight distance problem. There is, in our opinion, based on this circumstance we are recommending a traffic signal be approved for installation at this intersection. The funding for this signal would be through the Assessment District in the area. Chairman Yaraer, after finding there would be no speakers in the audience for this request returned the item to the Commissioners for their discussion. 6 Commissioner Leminq - Are the funds available now for this installation, or would that require an increase in the assessment? Bernie Dennis - The funds are available, principally through interest. Again one of the benefit of an Assessment District is that the people benefiting from the device are, in effect, paying for it. This is principally to serve the residential area on the south side of Canyon View and they are involved in the assessment district and we have a number of options but a signal is probably the best option available us in the sense of the effect we want to achieve in compatibility to the neighborhood. I don't think we want to get in here and start modifying the riding and hiking trail and the landscaping that goes along with it. RECOMMENDATION: That the CTC, by Motion, APPROVE the request, with funds available through the Assessment District within the area. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: J. Fortier AYES: Unanimous D. Request for the installation of a cargo loading zone, pedestrian f/ashers and a crossing guard on Fletcher Ave. at American Way. Madelon Alpert, Principal Fletcher Elementary School 515 W. Fletcher Ave. � Orange, CA 92665 Dave Allenbach - Pursuant to the request staff performed a pedestrian count at this location during the morning school arrival, and the afternoon school departure times. During the a.m. we counted 39 students crossing Fletcher at American Way. During the afternoon we counted 15 students crossing in the opposite way. However, I would like to point out that at all times each of these children were accompanied across Fletcher Ave. by an adult. There is absolutely no reason for a child to be walking on the south side of Fletcher Ave. as there is no sidewalk in place and no level landing area at the intersection for someone to stand while waiting for traffic to clear. What is happening is the parents of the area drive to school and parking on the south side of the street and then walking their children across Fletcher to the school in the crosswalk. The north side of the crosswalk ends in a drive approach for the school parking lot. There have been no auto vs. ped accidents or fatalities in the crosswalk in the last 3 year period. It is our recommendation that not only should the request for the flashers and crossing guard be denied, but we also recommend that the crosswalk be removed. � The other part of this request was to extend the existing 'cargo' loading zone from in front of the school westerly to 161 ft. to the parking lot which is at the west end of the school's property. We do not have a problem with this, however, the proper markings should actually be 'white curb' for passenger loading and unloading. We would recommend that this portion of the request be approved. Chairman Yaraer - Having determined that there are no speakers from the audience to this issue asks the Commissioners if they wish further discussion or would like to make a motion. RECOMMENDATION: That the CTC, by Motion, DENY the request for pedestrian flashers and a crossing guard. He It is further recommended to remove the crosswalk and painting all curbing white from the driveway back 161 ft. with the passenger loading zone, and that all existing yellow curb markings be re-painted white. MOTION: D. Yarger SECOND: B. Leming AYES: Unanimous Bernie Dennis - Would the CTC entertain a motion directing staff to communicate with the School District advising them that these sort of requests should be processed through the School District member of the CTC, Mr. Fortier? They seem to be derelict in this regard. RECOMMENDATION: That staff contact the School District having them process all CTC request through their CTC representative, Joe Fortier. MOTION: J. Fortier SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous V. INFORMATION ITEM Nothing to report. Next regular CTC meeting is scheduled for February 10, 1993. 8 VI. ORAL PRESENTATIONS Nothing reported from any member of the public, or any Traffic Commissioner. VII. ADJOURNMENT Discussion of all today's Agenda items before the City Traffic Commission being complete, and there being no further requests for action under Oral Presentations, it was moved to adjourn this session of the CTC to it's next regular meeting. M4TION: D. Yarger SECOND: N. Hower AYES: Unanimous Respectfully submitted, 'A i � � Phyllis Then Recording Secretary City Traffic Commission Traffic Engineering Division 9