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10-10-2001 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, October 10, 2001 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Mark Paone Susan Secoy Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Debbie Ritchey, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: None Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. regarding the following: 1. Briefing by and discussion with Assistant City Attorney Gary Sheatz regarding Design Review Committee meeting procedures and Roberts Rules. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the September 19, 2001 minutes as submitted. SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:Mark Paone MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 2 DRC No. 3667 -INTERNATIONAL HOUSE OF PANCAKES RESTAURANT Exterior remodeling and expansion of an existing IHOP restaurant consisting of adding 306 sq. ft. of new disabled accessible restrooms, storage room and freezer area. 707 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Bob Graham -International House of Pancakes presented the project. Plans for the project were prompted because of a lawsuit addressing the fact that handicapped people were unable to get into the restroom. The building was built in 1945 so they had to go outside of the building to build the handicap restrooms, which gave them additional room for storage and a freezer. They are basically adding a 9 x 34.6 area on the side of the building. They are extending some of the planters and they have plenty of parking. Mr. Graham presented a photograph of the Long Beach store that was the first one approved for remodeling. The proposed remodel will get rid of the gingerbread look and will have a lot cleaner appearance. Committee Member Joe Woolett asked if the colors or the sign would change. Mr. Graham stated the colors and the sign would remain the same. The existing sign has been painted. Committee Member Leonard Filner asked what is being changed in regards to the landscaping. Mr. Graham stated that the Police Department was unhappy with a part of the parking lot/landscape area where trees and bushes are overgrown. They felt that the overgrown and over-hanging nature of the bushes could provide a place for people to hide. This area will be taken out and the area will be extended which will provide better access. Mr. Filner was comfortable with submitting formal landscape plans to Community Development staff. MOTION was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to approve the project subject to the following conditions: Prior to issuance of building permits, the applicant shall submit final landscaping plans to the Community Services Department for approval. Final plans shall include City required inspection notes. 2. The height of roof mounted mechanical equipment shall not exceed height of parapet wall. SECOND:Mark Paone AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 3 2. DRC No. 3669 -DONALD & ANITA BERNARD New brick landscape planter and replacement of the existing wood steps with new brick steps at the front porch of an existing residence in Old Towne. 230 S. Grand Street (Contributing Structure) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination A written request was submitted by the applicant to continue this project to the November 7, 2001 Design Review Committee Meeting. MOTION was made by Committee Member Susan Secoy to continue the project to the following meeting. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 4 3. DRC No. 3674 -PHIL DOYON New brick planter and low brick wall in front of an existing coffee house (Ugly Mug Cafe) in Old Towne. 261 N. Glassell Street (Contributing Structure) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner -Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Phil Doyan -Ugly Mug Cafe presented the project. The plans include a new brick planter and a low brick wall. The applicant is using used bricks to match what was there and feels this does not diminish the historical value. The house was re-vamped in the 60's; brick facade was along the front. Only the planters are being changed and this change will enhance the look. Mr. Doyan showed pictures of what it looked like before. Committee Member Mark Paone asked if Mr. Doyan had plans of what was to be planted, and Mr. Doyan answered that he would like something low and flowering, possibly mini roses. Committee Member Leonard Filner wondered how the plants would be watered. Mr. Doyan stated he would probably just hand water them. He tried using pots in the past with trees in them. Teenagers would drive by, grab the tree pulling the tree down and the pots would break. The pots were costly. There was also the problem of people stealing the pots. The meeting was opened for public comments: Jeff Frankel -Old Towne Preservation Association -Expressed concern that no historic fabric be removed with the replacement of new planters. He acknowledges that brick was already there and that there is no way of knowing what was there originally. He just wants to make sure everything is consistent, and that nothing else is taken away and replaced. There were no more comments from the public. Committee Member Susan Secoy indicated that she hates to see an historic structure being developed beyond recognition, however, it is well documented that this addition occurred in the 60's, and has been there for 40 years. It is a very different project but she is not opposed to the addition of the planters as long as it doesn't detract from the original structure. Committee Member Leonard Filner wanted to know if the original brick siding would remain to which Mr. Doyan replied that it would. Committee Member Joe Woollett wondered if the new planter is put in, what provisions are being made to assure there isn't water seepage behind the brick. Mr. Doyan said it would be sealed. Committee Member Leonard Filner offered the suggestion of a liner, which is self-contained with drains. There is a company called Planter Technology that has a self watering system with hollow liners filled with water and a tube you can add nutrients, fertilizer and you need to fill the chamber up periodically. They are only available in certain sizes, so he wasn't sure how they would work with Mr. Doyan's plans. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 5 Committee Member Mark Paone asked other Committee Members if Mr. Doyan should bring back landscape plans or if it should just be considered seasonal. Committee Member Joe Woollett stated he doesn't see it as landscape, he sees it as preservation and Committee Member Susan Secoy agrees that nothing historical was removed and she has no problems with the facade. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the following findings: 1. The proposed use of matching brick is consistent with the existing brick along the storefront and therefore should not diminish the overall historic character of the building. 2. The proposed work conforms to the prescriptive standards and design criteria referenced and/or recommended by the Design Review Committee or other reviewing body for the project. 3. The proposed work complies with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and Guidelines. 4. The project design upholds community aesthetics through the use of an internally consistent, integrated design theme and is consistent with all adopted specific plans, applicable design standards and their required findings. Another observation made by Committee Member Mark Paone was that he wanted it made clear that the applicant does not have to come back to DRC with any additional landscape plans. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3676 - FOXBOROUGH APARTMENT HOMES Replacement of freestanding sign for an existing 90-unit apartment complex. 501 E. Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for October 10, 2001 Page 7 The Meeting was adjourned at approximately 6:15 p.m. to the Joint Study Session with the Planning Commission on October 15, 2001 at 5:45 p.m. in the Weimer Room. DRC 10-10-01 Minutes