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05-15-2001 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, May 15, 2001 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Mark Paone Susan Secoy (Chair) Joe Woollett Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Committee Member Absent: Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The board met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:20 p.m. The election of Chairperson and Vice Chairperson was deferred to the May 23, 2001 meeting. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Member Joe Woollett to approve the April 4, 2001 minutes with the following corrections: DRC #3625 -Sprint PCS ~aae 6 paragraph 1 sentence 9 amended as follows: Also included are detail drawings of the antenna mounting hardware, as well as an actual sample of a typical antenna panel that is used at the other locations. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Leonard Filner ABSTAINED:Mark Paone, Susan Secoy MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 2 REVIEW OF MINUTES: (Continued A motion was made by Committee Member Joe Woollett to approve the April 18, 2001 minutes with the following corrections: DRC 3611 -Chapman University page 2 paragraph 4, sentence 3 amended as follows: In reference, the Wayfarer Chapel (Palos Verdes, California) is such a discovery where the structure cannot be seen along the main thoroughfare, but as you enter up into the property, you would discover an amazing piece of ~~~eet architecture. DRC 3634 - St John's Lutheran Church page 6 paragraph 1, sentence 2 amended as follows: The project looks as if it was designed by committee, in which a lot of different ideas have been pulled together in this building. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Joe Woollett, Susan Secoy NOES:None ABSENT:Leonard Filner ABSTAINED:Alice Angus, Mark Paone MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 3 DRC No. 3582 - REZA ZOLFAGHARI Revised site and grading plans for a custom residence at Prospect Hills. 6127 Cliffway Drive Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Ardeshir (Arthur) Bahar -Architect. This is a revision to extend the grading area approximately 12 ft. beyond the original boundary. This would create a slightly larger building pad area to allow the house to be shifted back further. The finished pad remains at the same level, and the slope is maintained at 2:1 ratio. The revised grading also includes a new drainage culvert located about midway down slope. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Member Joe Woollett stated that since the graded slope is maintained at a 2:1 ratio, he doesn't have any problems with the revision. Committee Member Mark Paone would like to see a submittal of the final landscape plans that reflects these changes. Also, he is concerned that the new drainage culvert is not being shown on the site section and may modify the plan. Amore accurate site section drawing is needed. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to continue the project for the submittal of revised plans based on the above discussion. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Leonard Filner ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 4 2. DRC No. 3621 - SEPULVEDA BUILDERS Final landscape plans for a custom residence at Prospect Hills. 495 Carlisle Place (Lot 13) Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by the owner George Adams, Brian Oslin -Designer, and Brent Sepulveda of Sepulveda Builders. This is a submittal of the final landscape and fuel modification plans prior to building permit issuance. The plan includes a site section drawing to show the landscaping and slope in relationship to the house. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Member Joe Woollett asked if the lawn shown at the backyard just stops at the edge of slope or are there any curb walls or railings to keep it from eroding. Committee Member Mark Paone agreed that there should be a mow-strip along the edge to help define the edge of slope. He is also concerned with the site section not being drawn accurately. George Adams explained that there are no walls or railings along the edge because this is a spec house and he is expecting a pool and additional landscape submittal will be done by the ultimate owner. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the following condition: 1. Any future modifications to the landscape and/or hardscape elements, such as the addition of trees and walls, shall be submitted to the Design Review Committee for approval. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 5 3. DRC No. 3626 - SEPULVEDA BUILDERS Final landscape plans for a custom residence at Prospect Hills. 477 Carlisle Place (Lot 14) Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by the owner George Adams, Brian Oslin -Designer, and Brent Sepulveda of Sepulveda Builders. The submittal for this lot is similar to the conditions for Lot 13, with the exception that the building pad area is shallower due to its topography. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Member Mark Paone felt that the same conditions of approval should be applied to this lot as the conditions for the adjacent lot 13. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the following condition: 1. Any future modifications to the landscape and/or hardscape elements, such as the addition of trees and walls, shall be submitted to the Design Review Committee for approval. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3627 -DEL TACO Fagade remodel and 336 sq. ft. building addition for an existing 1,624 sq.ft. restaurant. 1301 E. Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide DRC Action: Final Determination Continued from 04-04-01 meeting) The project was presented by George Oldfield with Best Built Construction. The proposal is to remodel the existing restaurant to Del Taco's new corporate image design, and to add 280 sq.ft. of storage area at the rear of the building. The building elevation plans have been modified since the previous submittal where the new raised parapet wall would not extend back the entire length of the building over the new storage room addition. The reason for this change is because the property owner (Liljenquist Properties) had expressed concerns with the new raise parapet wall blocking other tenant signage located within the shopping center. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Chair Susan Secoy asked since there is not a lot of context to work with in this area, perhaps there are other prototype designs available. George Oldfield stated that are three different prototype designs that he is aware of. One design is for brand new construction, and the other design is for the smaller restaurants. This is the only design for this particular size (60 seats) and layout of building. Committee Member Mark Paone stated that the new raised parapet wall should extend back the entire length of the restaurant, including over the new storage room addition, in order to achieve better design continuity. Committee Chair agreed and further stated that she is also not particularly in favor of the proposed new color palette. But as discussed earlier, there is nothing to relate to within the shopping center. MOTION was made by Mark Paone to approve the project with the following conditions: 1. The new raised parapet wall shall extend back the entire length of the restaurant, including over the new storage room addition, in order to achieve better design continuity. 2. At such time as the shopping center is being remodeled in the future, the Del Taco restaurant building shall be re-painted with that same color palette as the center for consistency. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 7 5. DRC No. 3634 - ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH Preliminary review of a new 2-story, 55,500 sq. ft. classroom and fellowship building, and a 4,350 sq. ft. preschool building addition, which is part of a larger proposed Master Plan for the St. John's Lutheran Church and School Campus. Site is located within the Old Towne Historic District, bounded by Shaffer Street on the east, Center Street on the west, Almond Avenue on the south, and Chapman Avenue on the north. Staff Contact: Anna Pehoushek, Senior Planner DRC Action: Preliminary review and comment The project was presented by Darrel Hebenstreit with Architects Orange. The latest revisions are the results of the comments that were received during the previous April 18, 2001 meeting, and the special study session meeting that was held on May 2, 2001. He has also been meeting with the Church's senior staff and trustee to discuss issues of building massing, contemporary versus traditional building design, and academic versus residential character buildings. The design intent was to use brick elements along the parking structure, and the use of trellis elements with vines at opening areas. Reinforce the building step-back in mass with the use of pergolas along the Shaffer Street side and along the Chapman Avenue side. This helps to soften the building by creating some shades and shadows as it steps down to the adjoining residentially scaled structure. It was felt that the building corner should be strengthened, and that roof elements are important. Concerns were also raised with the loss of some of the vernacular and vocabulary of the historic Walker Hall building. Based on some of these comments, various different building designs were sketched and drawn. Conceptually, finish materials include the use of plaster, travertine stone infill over windows, stylized metal eyebrows, brick veneer with atwo-tone banding to match the existing campus, stone lintels, and steel framed pergolas. The project was opened for public comments: Joan Crawford (394 S. Orange Street) stated that the round corner element may not be the most appropriate based on the other elements that are being dealt with. Craig Wheeler (58 Plaza Square, Studio G) stated that the use of large panel glass at the corner element seem rather contemporary and too open for its setting. Janet Crenshaw (464 N. Shaffer Street) asked why the side roof elements are higher if the idea is to strengthen the corner element. Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange Street) asked if the building elevations are at the same height as shown the original plans. Committee Member Mark Paone thanked the architect for doing an excellent job of listening to and responding to the DRC and the public's comments and suggestions. He feels that the building elevations, particularly the Shaffer Street side, are substantially improved over the previous plans. The use of trellis element is a good idea as it really helps to break down the scale of the building. He also feels that the building corner should be further refined, perhaps with the addition of some solid elements. Overall, the project is moving in the right direction. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 8 5. DRC No. 3634 - ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH (Continued Committee Member Joe Woollett agrees with the suggestion that the building corner should be further refined, but it should not be made into a focal point. Committee Chair Susan Secoy stated that the building elevation along Shaffer Street is very close to being where it can be approved. She agrees the use of trellis elements to help soften the building. She also prefers the Chapman Avenue elevation with the larger three-bay entrance element because it has better rhythm and proportions over the elevation with the two- bay design. PRELIMINARY REVIEW ONLY - NO ACTION REQUIRED) City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 9 6. DRC No. 3635 -JOHN GARCIA New 758 sq. ft. family room, 572 sq. ft. garage and 123 sq. ft. porch addition to the rear of an existing residence within the Old Towne District. 241 N. Shaffer Street (Contributing Structure) Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Craig Wheeler, Architect. The proposal is to remove the existing rear porch and detached garage, and add a new family room, side porch and attached garage. The exterior finish materials and color palette would match the existing. The project was opened for public comments: Jeff Frankel (384 S. Orange Street) stated that attached garages are inconsistent with the Historic District, as the majority of residences in Old Towne have detached garages. Craig Wheeler stated that the new attached garage is located at the rear of the house so that it is not visible from the public street. Robert Imboden (45 Plaza Square) shares the same concerns regarding the attached garage, and agrees that historically there were no attached garages. Another concern is the line of demarcation that is required by the Secretary of the Interior's Standards. The new family room could be shifted back slightly from the driveway to create an offset for line of demarcation. Committee Member Mark Paone commended the architect for a good quality submittal, although there are still concerns with the north building elevation appearing rather lengthy. Perhaps a detached garage can be located at the opposite rear corner of the property to help resolve this, and to create more usable open space area in the back yard. As for the line of demarcation, the usual method is to create some type of offset, but there are other solutions that may be as effective. Craig Wheeler replied that perhaps the new side porch could be shifted over and a pilaster can be added to create a line of demarcation. He will study this further and look at other alternatives. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to continue the project, based on the discussion above. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy NOES:None ABSENT:Leonard Filner ABSTAINED:Joe Woollett MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 10 7. DRC No. 3636 - SEPULVEDA BUILDERS New custom residence at Prospect Hills. 461 Carlisle Place (lot 15) Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by the owner George Adams, Brian Oslin -Designer, and Brent Sepulveda of Sepulveda Builders. The proposal is to construct a new 7,032 sq.ft. custom house with an attached 4-car garage. The front (north) building elevation has been changed from the plans that were initially submitted. The entrance to the house has been modified to include a stronger element consisting of columns and a raised hip roof. The landscape concept is similar to the two adjoining lots 13 and 14. The project was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Chair Susan Secoy did not have a problem with the concept of strengthening the entrance, but the half-column on the left side seemed rather awkward. There should be more symmetry with the entrance element. Brian Oslin agreed to further refinement of the entrance element so that it appears symmetrical. Committee Member Mark Paone felt that the same conditions of approval should be applied to this lot as the conditions for the adjacent lots 13 and 14. George Adams explained that there are no walls or railings along the edge because this is a spec house and he is expecting a pool and additional landscape submittal will be done by the ultimate owner. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project with the following condition: 1. The entrance element shall be further refined so that it appears symmetrical. 2. Any future modifications to the landscape and/or hardscape elements, such as the addition of trees and walls, shall be submitted to the Design Review Committee for approval. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 11 8. DRC No. 3637 -VILLA FORD New signage (freestanding, wall and directional signs) for an existing newly renovated automobile dealership. 2550 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan, Senior Planner DRC Action: Recommendation to Zoning Administrator The project was presented by Richard Benson with B.K. Signs, Inc. The proposal is to install new replacement freestanding signs along the street frontage, new wall signs along the front east) elevation of the newly constructed showroom building, and new on-site directional signs at the two driveway entrances along Tustin Street. A variance application has been filed concurrently to allow waiver of code requirements such as sign height, area, location, and the number of freestanding signs allowed along the street frontage. A public hearing has been scheduled for the Zoning Administrator on May 23, 2001. Committee Chair Susan Secoy is comfortable with upgrading the existing signs with the new signs that are being proposed. It is a large-scale project, and the proposed signage seems to work. Committee Member Mark Paone stated he also does not have any problems with the proposed new wall and freestanding signs. However, the new on-site directional signs should not be any larger than the existing on-site directional sign. MOTION was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to recommend approval of the project to the Zoning Administrator with the following condition: 1. The proposed new on-site directional signs shall not exceed the size and height of the existing on-site directional sign. SECOND: Susan Secoy AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 12 9. DRC No. 3639 - NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS New roof mounted telecommunications antenna facility on an existing 2-story commercial building. 626 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Mario Chavez-Marquez, Planning Aide DRC Action: Final Determination The project was presented by Ira Glasky with Nextel Communications, and Dan Hansen with HC&D Architects. The proposal is to construct a new wireless communications facility by integrating it with the existing building, as opposed to having a freestanding structure (i.e. mono- pole antenna). The antennas would be installed inside of a new "cupola" element located at the south end of the existing 2-story commercial building. The cupola is made of fiberglass with a colored stucco texture to match the existing building. The cupola has fiberglass roof tiles to match the existing roof of the building. The mechanical equipment would be mounted on top of the lower roof at the rear, and screened with textured fiberglass to match the existing building. The meeting was opened for public comments: (None) Committee Member Mark Paone is concerned that proposed addition of a cupola seemed out of character with the existing building. Perhaps one possible solution would be to extend the slope of the existing roof to create more of a raised hip roof element, so that there would be no issues with the cupola being a third story addition. Further study of this approach is suggested. Committee Member Alice Angus agreed that a raised hip roof appears less like an "add-on", and would fit better architecturally with the existing building. Committee Member Joe Woollett is also concerned with the view from the rear (west) elevation. Dan Hansen is concerned with the structural integrity of the existing building (approx. 40 years old), and whether or not it is feasible to add the raised hip roof as suggested. He would also have to consult with his engineers to determine if this could be accomplished. MOTION was made by Mark Paone to continue the project, based on the above discussion. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:Leonard Filner ABSTAINED:Susan Secoy MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for May 15, 2001 Page 13 10. DRC No. 3640 -BREAKER SUPPLY COMPANY New replacement wall sign for an existing commercial building. 770 N. Main Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) MOTION was made by Susan Secoy to approve the project as submitted. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Alice Angus, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: Leonard Filner ABSTAINED: None MOTION CARRIED DRC 05-15-01 Minutes