02-02-2005 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE
MINUTES
February 2, 2005
Committee Members Present: Jon Califf
Donnie Dewees
Craig Wheeler
Joe Woollett
Staff in Attendance: Leslie Roseberry, Planning Manager
Kimberly Chaffin, Associate Planner
Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
Committee Member Absent: None
Administrative Session - 5:00 P.M.
The Committee met for an administrative session beginning at 5:00 p.m. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 6:45 p.m.
Regular Session - 5:30 P.M.
A motion was made by Committee Chairman Jon Califf to approve the January 19, 2005,
minutes subject to the following corrections:
DRC No.3964-04 Woody Residence page 5, paragraph 3, sentence 1 amended as follows;
r^mm~**°° "'~°~'~°r Chairman Califf noted that the master bedroom jogs out such that it is on a
different plane than the rest of the rear elevation.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RECUSED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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1. DRC No. 3971-04 -Holt Residence
Modifications to the front porch area of a 1909 Hip Roof Cottage (contributing)
designed in the Modified Classical Revival style.
334 North Harwood Street (Old Towne Historic District)
Staff Contact: Kim Chaffin, Associate Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Committee Chairman Califf recused himself from participation in the project at 334 North
Harwood Street in order to avoid any conflict of interest insofar as his own residence is in very
close proximity to the subject property.
Associate Planner Kim Chaffin presented the report regarding the property at 334 North Harwood
Street, a 1909 Hip Roof Cottage residence designed in the Modified Classical Revival style and
listed as a Contributing Structure in the City's Historic Resources Inventory. The one and a half
story approximately 1,450 square foot box plan house has a modified hip roof which results in a
gabled dormer at the peak. The main roof extends forward to form afull-width porch supported
by slender wood posts. The Historic Resources Inventory notes that the original siding was
covered with asbestos shingles; however, the shingles have since been removed to reveal the
original lap siding.
Ms. Chaffin noted that the property owner is requesting approval of exterior modifications
completed without the approval of plans and/or permits) made to the front porch and private
sidewalk.
1. The original low wall which was covered with siding to match the house and wrapped
around the porch has been removed.
2. The original slender wood support posts were removed, and each was replaced with a
double wood post with a decorative cap.
3. Stone veneer has been applied to the column bases, the building's raised foundation, and
the front steps.
4. The private sidewalk leading up to the front porch has been widened with stone veneer on
each side of the existing concrete.
5. Anew curvilinear raised planter of stone veneer has been constructed in front of the front
porch, and attaches to the front stairs and returns back to the ends of the front porch.
Ms. Chaffin reviewed the following applicable Old Towne Design Standards:
1. Additions and Alterations to Historic Structures -New additions, exterior alterations,
or related new construction shall not destroy historic features that characterize the
property.
2. Residential Structures, Facade Elements - In remodeling and restoration of existing
buildings, it is recommended that elements such as protruding bays, covered porches,
and various off-sets of the facade generally be preserved, and in new construction,
contemporary adaptations of such elements maybe appropriate.
3. Residential Structures, Front Entrances and Porches, Detailing -Railings, moldings,
the work, carvings and other detailing and architectural decorations on front entrances
and porches must be typical of the style and period of the main building.
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4. Residential Structures, Landscape Standards for Sidewalks, Driveways and Curbing -
All private sidewalks and curbing must be constructed of concrete or brick that
matches or is compatible in texture, color and style with the surrounding paving
materials.
5. Use of Appropriate Materials for Maintenance, Repair and Alteration -The policy is
to retain, repair or restore rather than replace historic building materials. Where
severely deteriorated or irreparable historic building materials must be replaced, only
areas of deterioration shall be replaced with in kind materials matching existing
material, design, texture and color. If severely deteriorated historic building materials
cannot be repaired or replaced with in kind materials, the repair or replacement
material shall exactly match appearance of existing in design, texture and color.
Ms. Chaffin indicated that staff's evaluation of the removal of the asbestos shingles on the
building elevations to reveal the original lap siding is that it is an appropriate restorative
modification. However, staff has concerns that the unauthorized exterior modifications to the
front porch and private sidewalk have an adverse effect of diminishing or destroying the qualities
that caused the listing of this resource as a contributor to the historic district.
The 1909 Hip Roof Cottage designed in the Modified Classical Revival style is unique in that it's
transitional in its style. The exterior modifications alter one of the building's defining
characteristics, the full width porch with its simple, slender wood posts and wrap around siding.
In so doing, the simplistic revival style is compromised with a more elaborate design that is more
typical of the late 1920's.
Stone accent material did not come into use in this manner until the late teens, and construction
of this house in 1909 predates that practice. The materials used in this particular application are
a modern stone veneer rather than indigenous materials that were typically used commencing in
the late teens, i.e., arroyo stone or brick.
Restoration of the front porch and sidewalk to the previous condition is possible and will bring
the project into compliance with the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation, the
City's Old Towne Design Standards and the City's Local CEQA Guidelines.
Ms. Chaffin advised that staff recommends that the Design Review Committee request that the
applicant bring the project into compliance by restoring the front porch and private sidewalk
to its previous condition in the following manner:
1. Restore the low walls that wrapped around the porch, including lap siding material to
match the original lap siding on the building elevations.
2. Remove the double wood posts and decorative caps and restore the slender single wood
posts to match the previous condition.
3. Remove stone veneer from the raised foundation, front porch and stairs, and restore these
surfaces to their previous condition.
4. Remove the stone veneer from each side of the private sidewalk.
5. Replace the stone veneer on the new raised planter with a material that is appropriate and
compatible to the main structure.
David Holt, the property owner and project applicant, expressed concurrence with the staff
recommendation regarding restoration of the front porch, but believed that he should be able to
install landscape treatments on his property which are similar to those installed by neighbors.
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For example, the landscaping of the front yard of the property across the street includes Mexican
stone, and a property around the corner utilizes stone from the Midwest. He indicated that he
understood those properties were not constructed in the same time period as his home, nor are
they are similar design; however, he believed landscape issues should be left up to the individual
property owner rather than regulated by the City.
Janet Crenshaw, 280 North Cleveland Street, congratulated Mr. Holt on removal of the asbestos
shingles to reveal the original lap siding, and indicated that she agrees with him regarding the
landscaping.
Jeff Frankel, 384 South Orange Street, President of the Old Towne Preservation Association,
also commended the applicant on removal of the asbestos shingles. He agreed with the staff
recommendation regarding the restoration of the porch as well as the landscaping, and noted that
the masonry materials used for the raised planter are inappropriate for the style and period of the
residence. He noted that raised planters were not appropriate for a home built during this time
period, but that flat beds of planters were typical. He commented that there are many examples
of inappropriate planters in Old Towne, but many of those were constructed prior to the adoption
of the Old Towne Design Standards, and still others were built without obtaining the required
City approval.
Shawn Howell, 385 South Glassell, commented that the house across the street from Mr. Holt's
property is a bad example because the materials used are inappropriate.
Mr. Holt opined that the standards for landscaping in Old Towne residential quadrants are too
restrictive.
Committee Member Dewees expressed support for staff recommendation Nos. 1, 2 and 3, but did
not support recommendation Nos. 4 and 5.
Committee Member Wheeler asked if this type of landscaping requires a building permit, to
which Ms. Chaffin responded that the concrete flat work on private property and walls lower than
42 inches do not require building permits. However, the Old Towne Design Standards do set
forth certain landscape features that require City approval, and walls within the front yard
setback and sidewalk materials are covered by the Design Standards. She added that some minor
modifications can be approved at the staff level, while others require Design Review Committee
approval.
Planning Manager Leslie Roseberry pointed out that the City developed the Old Towne Design
Standards because many properties were being modified in a manner that compromised the
properties' integrity, and the intent is to maintain the property overall, not just the structure.
Committee Member Woollett was concerned about setting a precedent by imposing restrictions
regarding landscaping. Ms. Chafin clarified that some, but not all, landscape features are
addressed by the Old Towne Design Standards, and sidewalks and walls for contributing
properties within the residential quadrants are addressed, so the Committee is being asked to
make a determination on whether or not the work that has been done is in compliance with those
standards.
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Mr. Holt noted that the original concrete sidewalk has been replaced with concrete material
which is identical to the original, and that the new stone added to either side of the sidewalk is
merely an accent material, and shouldn't be considered part of the sidewalk.
Committee Member Dewees agreed with Mr. Holt's characterization of the stone material on
either side of the concrete sidewalk as an accent rather than part of the sidewalk, and therefore,
did not believe the stone material must be removed.
Mr. Frankel noted that there is a different between hardscape and softscape, and the intent of the
Standards is to avoid use of stone as a paving material.
Committee Member Wheeler commented that, due to the fact a building permit is not required
for this type of landscape modification, he could understand how someone may innocently make
a change to their property without realizing that a different type of City approval is required.
However, he noted that because the new planter wall is attached to the house, it could be
considered part of the structure.
Mr. Howell noted that a building permit is not required to construct a fence, but certain types of
fence materials are not allowed.
Committee Member Woollett acknowledged that if a building permit is not required, then one
might reasonably assume City approval is not required. He suggested that if the Design
Standards require City approval for certain modifications, then those modifications should also
require building permits. Committee Member Wheeler agreed that may be a good idea and
suggested that the City Attorney be consulted at some point in the future regarding that
possibility.
Ms. Chaffin reviewed the entire section of the Old Towne Design Standards for Residential
Quadrants regarding Landscaping.
1. General In contrast to the formal patterns in the Plaza Historic District and Spoke Street
Corridors, the character of the residential landscape is established with a variety of plant
materials.
2. Fences.
a. Fences must be constructed and maintained in a vertical position.
b. The top edge of a fence must be along a line that is either horizontal, or
substantially parallel to the ground.
c. Fences and walls located within the front yard setback area shall not exceed 42"
in height. Fences and walls located in side and rear yards shall not exceed six feet
in height. Where there is a difference in grade between adjacent properties, the
maximum fence height shall be six feet as measured from the high grade side and
eight feet as measured from the low grade side.
d. The color, texture, pattern and dimensions of masonry columns and bases, and the
color, width, type and elevation of mortar joints in a fence column or base must
match the masonry and mortar joints of the main building as nearly as practicable.
All exposed brick in a fence column or base must be fired brick as defined by the
American Standard Testing Materials Designation.
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e. Wrought iron and metal fences must be compatible with the style and period of
the main building. If a wrought iron or metal fence is painted or colored, the
color must complement the color of the main building.
f. Wooden fences must have structural posts at least four inches in diameter
nominal size). The side of a wooden fence facing a public street must be the
finished side. Wooden fences may be painted or stained a color that is
complementary to the main building.
3. Sidewalks, Driveways and Curbing
a. Materials. All private sidewalks and curbing must be constructed of concrete or
brick that matches or is compatible in the texture, color and style with the
surrounding paving materials.
b. Width, Style and Spacing
i. In new developments of four units or fewer, the minimum permitted width
of a driveway in the front yard is nine feet, and the maximum width is 12
feet.
ii. Ribbon driveways are encouraged for new residential projects to break up
the expanse of paving and to provide increased landscaping. When used,
the ribbon must cover 75% of the length of the driveway, and have a
minimum internal grass width of 18 inches.
iii. A driveway constructed in the front yard must be spaced a minimum of
one foot from an existing driveway on an adjacent lot.
4. Parkway/Street Trees. All plantings must comply with City Standards regarding spacing,
utility and vision clearance and maintenance. A permit must be obtained from the Public
Works Department for all plantings in the parkway area. A "Designated Parkway Tree
List" is available from the Public Works Department.
Committee Member Wheeler agreed that modifications addressed by the Standards should
require a building permit, with which Mr. Frankel concurred and asked how the City could go
about making such a change. Ms. Roseberry acknowledged that there are several sections of the
Standards which staff would like to tighten up, and to add a requirement for a building permit for
any modification addressed by the Standards could be incorporated into an update of the
Standards; however, there are currently no funds budgeted to update the Standards.
Committee Member Wheeler commented that he supports the staff recommendation with the
possible exception of No. 4 regarding the sidewalk.
Mr. Holt believed that the porch wall materials that were removed were not original, because
they did not match the exterior walls on the residence. Mr. Frankel commented that this
particular style of architectural commonly had porch walls, so he has no doubt that the original
porch did indeed have walls, and it is possible the original materials were possibly replaced with
something different by one of the property owners.
Mr. Holt opined that the City is becoming like a Gestapo because its regulations regarding what
one can place in one's yard are too restrictive.
Committee Member Woollett stated that it is the duty of the Committee to enforce the Standards,
and added that he now has a better understanding of the Standards as a result of this project. He
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considered that the stone material alongside the sidewalk to be part of the sidewalk because it is
flush with the sidewalk.
Committee Member Dewees remarked that he would support allowing the stone material
alongside the sidewalk to remain, as he considers it an accent material rather than part of the
sidewalk. He further commented he would support removal of the stone veneer from the planter
wall.
Mr. Holt indicated that beneath the stone veneer of the planter wall is scored concrete similar to
that of the raised foundation, and the consensus of the Committee was that scored concrete
would be appropriate for the planter wall.
A motion was made by Committee Member Woollett to approve the staff recommendation to
require that the applicant bring the project into compliance by restoring the front porch and
private sidewalk to its previous condition in the following manner:
1. Restore the low walls that wrapped around the porch, including lap siding material to
match the original lap siding on the building elevations.
2. Remove the double wood posts and decorative caps and restore the slender single wood
posts to match the previous condition.
3. Remove stone veneer from the raised foundation, front porch and stairs, and restore these
surfaces to their previous condition.
4. Remove the stone veneer from each side of the private sidewalk.
5. Replace the stone veneer on the new raised planter with a material that is appropriate and
compatible to the main structure.
The motion died for lack of a second.
Committee Member Wheeler moved to approve the staff recommendation to require that the
applicant bring the project into compliance by restoring the front porch and private sidewalk
to its previous condition in the following manner:
1. Restore the low walls that wrapped around the porch, including lap siding material to
match the original lap siding on the building elevations.
2. Remove the double wood posts and decorative caps and restore the slender single wood
posts to match the previous condition.
3. Remove stone veneer from the raised foundation, front porch and stairs, and restore these
surfaces to their previous condition.
4. Replace the stone veneer on the new raised planter with a material that is appropriate and
compatible to the main structure.
SECOND: Joe Woollett
AYES: Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RECUSED: Jon Califf
MOTION CARRIED
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2. DRC No. 3973-04 -Horton Residence
Addition onto a residential structure (non-contributing) in the Old Towne District
730 W. Washington Street
Staff Contact: Christopher Carnes, Senior Planner
DRC Action: Final Determination
Project Planner, Chris Carnes, explained that the project was an addition to the rear of a single-
family residence so as to enlarge a family room. The existing residence was built in the 1960s
and the project was before the DRC because the project site is located in the Old Towne Orange
Historical District. Staff's review of the proposal found that the project complies with the City's
development standards and the proposed addition would not have an impact on the City's
Historical District because the existing residence is not an historical structure and the area
surrounding the project site is not developed with historical structures. Based on the above, staff
recommended approval of the project subject to the condition that the addition be built per plans
reviewed and approved by the Design Review Committee. The applicants displayed a picture of
the proposed bricks for the walls. Their concept was to have the existing brick on the fireplace
treated to soften the bricks edges and to create variation in the bricks colors. The applicant
explained that they were in future going to replace the rock time in front of the residence with the
same type of brick being used on the addition.
The DRC members reviewed the building details for the addition to the existing building and had
concerns that the window trim, building eves, and brick were not similar to the existing. The
DRC members and applicant reviewed the specifics of the project and resolved to revise the
window trim to match the existing window trim, the new brick and the existing brick are to be
matched as much as possible, and the building eaves will be revised to vertical cut similar to the
existing residence. A motion was made by Committee Member Joe Woollett to approve the
project subject to the following conditions:
1. The window trim shall be redesigned to have squared corners to match the trim on the
existing structure.
2. The building eaves shall have vertical cut to match the eves on the existing structure.
3. The bricks on the existing fireplace shall be treated to match the brick proposed for
the building addition.
SECOND: Jon Califf
AYES: Jon Califf, Donnie Dewees, Craig Wheeler, and Joe Woollett
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RECUSED: None
MOTION CARRIED
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