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12-05-2001 DRC MinutesCITY OF ORANGE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES for Wednesday, December 5, 2001 Committee Members Present: Alice Angus Leonard Filner (Vice Chair) Mark Paone Susan Secoy Joe Woollett (Chair) Staff in Attendance: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner Howard Morris, Landscape Coordinator Debbie Ritchey, Recording Secretary Committee Member Absent: None Administrative Session - 4:30 P.M. The committee met for an administrative session beginning at 4:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:50 p.m. Regular Session - 5:30 PM REVIEW OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Committee Member Alice Angus to approve the November 21, 2001 minutes with the following corrections: DRC 3669 -Donald Bernard, Page 7, paragraph 7, sentence 6 amended as follows: The DRC cannot deviate from the~+are given standards. Page 8, paragraph 2 amended as follows: SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:Mark Paone MOTION City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 5, 2001 Page 2 DRC No. 3587 - VALERE TARDIF Relocation and modification of a new detached garage for a refurbished Craftsman Bungalow residence that was recently moved-on to the site from another location. 151 S. Harwood Street Staff Contact: Daniel Ryan -Senior Planner, Historic Preservation DRC Action: Final Determination Andy Tardif (son of Valere Tardif) presented the project. The project includes relocation of the of the garage (approved approximately a year ago) behind the house, slightly increase the size of the garage and delete the windows that were originally approved. The new garage location would be easier access in and out of the driveway, and they believe this goes along with the era of the house. There was no original garage, so they are just building a new one and relocating it from where it was on the original plans. Committee Member Mark Paone expressed concerns regarding the site not staying the same as originally planned and with the large amount of paved area and not enough landscape. He would like Mr. Tardif to come back with a more accurate site plan showing dimensions of hard- scape and its relationship to the property line, and also landscaping information. Committee Member Susan Secoy shared the same concerns and would also like to have more information on the materials used. She is concerned with the new curb cut that it had been increased approximately six feet in width from the original plans. She further stated her concerns of having reviewed the original submittal that showed a pea gravel driveway and then later changed to concrete pavers. Perhaps a conceptual landscape plan would help to alleviate some of these concerns. Committee Member Leonard Filner and Committee Chair Joe Woollett agreed that a more accurate site plan and more information are needed from the applicant. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to continue the project based on the above discussion. SECOND:Leonard Filner AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 5, 2001 Page 3 2. DRC No. 3630 -CENTURY FAST FOODS, INC. Signage program for existing Taco Bell and other new restaurant tenants. 2233 N. Tustin Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau -Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Patrick Faranal of National Sign and Marketing Corporation presented the project. He was asked by Century Fast Foods to design the sign program. Committee Member Susan Secoy stated that there are no objections to where the signs are being placed or the size of the signs, however, there is concern that if no restrictions are imposed with respect to colors, there could be problems with compatibility to the building. Mr. Faranal is not opposed to limiting the choice of colors, however, if a new tenant comes in with their national logo, those colors cannot be changed unless it is brought back to the DRC for approval. Committee Member Joe Woollett is of the opinion that if channel letters are being used, that it does not matter what the color is. If it is a national company, then they should be able to use their choice of colors. He feels that the DRC should accept the signage program as submitted. Committee Member Alice Angus was concerned with the various colors that could be used that may be considered inappropriate. She doesn't feel that it would be unreasonable to ask for a palette with perhaps 8 or 10 different colors to be submitted to the DRC. Committee Member Leonard Filner agrees with Committee Member Joe Woollett's approach, to not limit the color selection and let staff review the final submittal. Mr. Faranal agreed to put together a color palette for approval. If there are deviations from the approved colors, then the submittal would have to be brought back for an amendment to the sign program, approved by the committee. A motion was made by Committee Member Leonard Filner to continue the project until December 19, 2001. SECOND:Alice Angus AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 5, 2001 Page 4 3. DRC No. 3688 - STONEGATE SENIOR APARTMENTS Modification of an approved 20 dwelling unit senior housing project to include the addition of an indoor recreation room and revised building elevation plans. 170 N. Prospect Street Staff Contact: Chuck Lau, Associate Planner DRC Action: Final Determination Committee Member Susan Secoy is abstaining from this item as she is representing the applicant. Scott Choppin of Urban Pacific Builders, representative for the developer, and Susan Secoy of Secoy Architects presented the project. They have taken over this senior apartment project that was previously approved and have tried to address the concerns that were stated earlier on in the project. Some of the concerns that were addressed were the addition of a community room, which was a very important issue at one point. The new plans are very similar to the previously approved plans. The laundry room, community room, and mangers office have been relocated. Another deviation from the original plans is that the parking is not subterranean. The overall change is more architectural style and exterior finish materials. The proposed new style is a Mediterranean scheme with more of a contemporary adaptation. The plans that the committee members received showed an upstairs balcony above the community room. The balcony has since been eliminated and replaced instead with a raised ceiling inside the community room, which will make a better space as opposed to creating two spaces. Committee Member Mark Paone asked if an EIFS (Exterior Insulation Finish System) would be used for the building, which has a smooth exterior plaster finish. Ms. Secoy stated that the objective would be to have a difference in texture between the split face block and the stucco finish. Committee Member Joe Woollett stated that he has no problems with the basic overall massing of the building. Committee Member Mark Paone agreed and further stated that the project is going in the right direction. Committee Member Alice Angus raised concerns regarding the appearance of the stucco element being unbalanced with nothing on the other side. Visually, it draws your eye to it because it is off-centered. Ms. Secoy stated that they would further study some of the design issues that were raised at this meeting. Basically, what they would like to know at this point is whether or not they are moving in the right direction. City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 5, 2001 Page 5 3. DRC No. 3688 - STONEGATE SENIOR APARTMENTS (Continued) Committee Member Mark Paone suggested approving the project in concept, and having the applicants come back with more details. Mr. Choppin stated that they are looking to begin construction by February 14, 2002, and there is still a lot of work to be done before submittal to the permit process. Committee Member Mark Paone suggested coming back to the next scheduled Design Review Committee Meeting on December 19, 2001 to which the applicant agreed. A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to continue the project based on the above discussion. SECOND: Joe Woollett AYES: Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Joe Woollett NOES: None ABSENT: None ABSTAINED: Mark Paone, Susan Secoy MOTION CARRIED City of Orange -Design Review Committee Meeting Minutes for December 5, 2001 Page 6 4. DRC No. 3690 -FARMERS & MERCHANTS BANK New freestanding sign for an existing bank. 1220 E. Katella Avenue Staff Contact: Chuck Lau DRC Action: Final Determination Approved as Consent Item) A motion was made by Committee Member Mark Paone to approve the project as submitted. SECOND:Susan Secoy AYES:Alice Angus, Leonard Filner, Mark Paone, Susan Secoy, Joe Woollett NOES:None ABSENT:None ABSTAINED:None MOTION CARRIED DRC 12-05-01 Minutes