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MINUTES
Planning Commission
City of Orange
November 16, 1998
Monday - 7:00 p.m.PRESENT:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith ABSENT:
None STAFF
PRESENT:
Vern Jones, Planning Manager/Secretary,John
Godlewski, Senior Planner,Mary
Binning, Assistant City Attorney,Ted
Reynolds, Assistant City Attorney,Roger
Hohnbaum, Assistant City Engineer, and Sue
Devlin, Recording Secretary IN
RE: ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED 1.
VARIANCE 205&98 AND MINOR SITE PLAN REVIEW 67-98 - LEASON POMEROY A
proposal to redevelop the commercial properties at 152 and 154 North Glassell Street within the Historic Downtown
Plaza District. The project requests: 1) partial demolition, and 2nd story addition, to the historic commercial
structure at 154 North Glassell Street, and 2) demolition of the non-historic commercial
structure at 152 North Glassell Street with the construction of a new commercial building which will create
access between Glassell Street and the rear parking lot on Olive Street.
NOTE:Mitigated Negative Declaration 1580-98 was prepared to evaluate the environmental
impacts of this
project.Applicant requests to continue this item to December 7,
1998.
MOTION Moved by Commissioner Pruett, seconded by Commissioner Smith, to continue Variance 2056-
98 and Minor Site Plan Review 67-98 to the meeting of
December
7,
1998.AYES:NOES:Commissioners Bosch, Carlton,
Pruett, Romero, Smith
None MOTION CARRIED 2. TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 15710 AND MINOR SITE PLAN REVIEW 57-
98 - GEORGE KLIMEK A proposal to subdivide a 6+ acre parcel into residential lots, of which three (3) lots would
not have direct access to a public street. The site is located 400 feet south of Santiago Canyon and
east
of Jamestown Way.NOTE:Negative Declaration 1565-98 was prepared to evaluate the
environmental
impacts of this project.Applicant requests to continue this item
to
December 7, 1998.MOTION Moved by Commissioner Romero, seconded by Commissioner Pruett, to
continue Tentative Tract Map 15710 and Minor Site Plan Review 57-98 to the
meeting
of
December 7, 1998.AYES:NOES:Commissioners
Bosch, Carlton, Pruett,
Romero,
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IN RE:CONSENT CALENDAR
3. a) APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 26, 1998
The Chair stated the Commission received a request from Mr. Zehner by letter, dated November 13,
1998, with regard to the Minutes.
Commissioner Pruett noted a correction on Page 5 in which the Minutes state that the motion died from
lack of vote; however, it should be noted that: Irfhe motion was replaced by a substitute motion."
Mr. Reynolds spoke about Mr. Zehner's request of verbatim statements in the Minutes. It would be within
the discretion of the Planning Commission to allow that to be included if the Commission felt it is
necessary. However, the official record is not the hard copy of the Minutes, but rather the tapes of the
meeting. It is not a legal requirement that there be a verbatim transcript of the Minutes.
The Commission did not see a need to have a verbatim transcript of the Minutes.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett, seconded by Commissioner Carlton, to approve the Minutes of October
26, 1998 with a correction to the first motion on Page 5, stating that the motion was replaced by a
substitute motion, and deleting the words: Motion died from lack of vote.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None MOTION CARRIED
3. b) APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 2, 1998
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett, seconded by Commissioner Carlton, to approve the Minutes of
November 2, 1998, as written.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE:CONTINUED HEARING
4. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2246-98 - OGDEN ENTERTAINMENT, INC. (CAFE GALlLEO)
A proposal to allow the on-site sale and service of beer and wine for on-site consumption within
a new restaurant. The site is located at The Block at Orange, west of The City Drive between
Chapman Avenue and the
SR-22 Freeway.NOTE:This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of the
California Environmental Quality Act per State CEQA
Guidelines Section 15303.There was no opposition to this item; therefore, the full reading of the staff
report was waived.The public
hearing was opened.Applicant. Jack Church, General Manager of the Cafe Galileo, represented
Ogden Entertainment. They asked to serve beer and wine at their establishment. Their hours of operation will be from 10:00
a.m. to 11 :00 p.m. They plan to post signs of public rest rooms at their front door, to let the
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share a common restroom within 100 feet of the restaurant. He has read the staff report and concurs with
the conditions of approval.
Chairman Bosch wanted the applicant to be sure of the modification to condition 9, which previously
stated that meal service shall be available whenever the restaurant is open to the public. The condition
has been modified to say whenever the premises are open to the public. (The applicant concurred with
the modification.)
The public hearing was closed.
It was noted the project is categorically exempt from CEOA review.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Smith, seconded by Commissioner Bosch, to approve Conditional Use Permit
2246-98, with the conditions listed in the staff report, modifying condition 9 to state premises in lieu
of restaurant, and finding that the project will be compatible to the neighborhood, that it is in response
to services expected by the community, it will not cause deterioration of bordering land uses, and that it
is not being made for anyone's individual welfare, but rather for the general welfare of the entire
community.
AYES:
NOES:Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero,
Smith None MOTION
CARRIED IN RE:NEW
HEARING 5. GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 2-98, ZONE CHANGE 1196-98,
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2227-98, VARIANCE 2058-98 AND TENTATIVE TRACT
MAP 15680 - GREYSTONE HOMES A request to change the land use and zoning designations of the subject property to
allow a "planned unit development" comprised of 117 condominium units in a gated community with
a private recreation center.Included in the application is a request to waive zoning ordinance requirements
for the building setback along Heim Street and the minimum space between two buildings. The site is
located at the southeast corner of Heim Avenue and Canal Street, and is presently
zoned for commercial development.Negative Declaration 1560-98 was prepared to evaluate
the
environmental impacts of this project.Jim Donovan, Senior Planner, reported the property was developed
with several single family residential buildings on parcels that were collectively annexed to the City of Orange
in 1975. All properties were initially zoned for agricultural uses. In 1979, the City Council denied a proposal
to change the zoning and general plan to construct two 14-story senior apartment buildings
consisting of 544 units. The revised proposal limited the project to 4 stories and 354 units, and was denied in
1980. In 1986 the City Council approved a zone change to allow commercial development of
the property with several other
properties
along Tustin Street to C-TR.NOTE:The applicant is requesting that the property's general
plan designation be changed to Medium Density Residential, and that zoning be changed to R3. The
applicant asks the Commission to consider a proposal to build 16. 3-story buildings, comprised of a total
number of 117 units. By definition, a planned unit development is intended to encourage
an alternative form of residential construction proposed within density ranges established by the general plan.
Some flexibility is allowed in assembling units and clusters around an open, outdoor area,
permanently dedicated towards preservation of open space or recreation uses. Three story buildings are not permitted
by right of zoning. A structure within any residential zone is limited to two stories or 32 feet unless
a conditional use permit allowing greater height is authorized by the Planning Commission or City
Council.
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stories, but only in portions that vary from 1/6 to 1/3 of each building's total floor area on the ground level.
The overall height of each structure would be limited to 34 feet 6 inches, approximately 8% more than the
general limit of 32 feet.
The applicant has requested a variance to allow a reduction to the required front yard along Heim Avenue,
from 20 to 10 feet. The City's general plan and municipal code require that the applicant dedicate propertyandwidenHeimAvenuetofourlanes, east of Canal Street. A 20 foot setback is required by the
development standards for a planned unit development; however, it is not required by the basic R3
standards. The applicant also requests a variance to reduce the space required between two buildings
nearest to Canal Street, from 25 feet to 16 feet, or an average width of 18 feet. Those two buildings are
indicated on the site plan in the lower left corner.
The applicant has satisfied all other development standards for the City's planned unit development
ordinance and the R3 zone. With the proposal, the applicant submitted a tentative tract map for
condominium purposes, thus allowing units to be sold to individual homeowners if the project is approved
by the City.
The staff report includes an environmental analysis of the project's impacts upon both natural resources
and public resources. Staff estimates that a residential development of this size will generate
approximately 700 more vehicle trips on local streets each day, which is significantly less than what may be
generated by commercial use of the property. In that case, approximately 2,400 trips may be anticipated.
The project is not considered significant under guidelines published by the Southcoast Air Quality
Management District. The City has received a request submitted by the County of Orange to add one
condition of approval to ensure protection of water quality. The Commission has been provided with
written comments submitted by Orange Unified School District. Staff found no evidence that with the
adoption of the mitigation measures contained in the draft Negative Declaration, the proposed projectwouldhaveanysignificantadverseimpactsontheenvironmentorwildliferesources.
The applicant has been an active participant in the staff review process and cooperative in revising the
proposal to satisfy minimum development requirements. By satisfying the street widening requirement,
the proposed number of dwelling units has been reduced from 123 to 117; however, some further
refinement of plans will be required if the Planning Commission recommends, and the City Council
approves, the development proposal. Namely, there are some dimensional standards that need to be
increased for drive aisles and parking spaces. And, more private open space needs to be defined on the
plans.
Chairman Bosch noted for the record the Commission received a letter dated November 10, from the
County of Orange relative to water quality and CEQA impacts; a letter dated November 5, from the OrangeUnifiedSchoolDistrict; and a letter dated November 12, from Pastor Ronald Martin of St. Paul's Lutheran
Church and School.
Chairman Bosch briefly reviewed the rules of order for the hearing.
The public hearing was opened.
Applicant, Douqlas Woodward. Grevstone Homes. 26 Executive Park #100, Irvine. thanked staff for their
help and input into their project. He mentioned Greystone Homes' other projects and explained their new
proposed project at this site. They will offer four plans, featuring one bedroom, two bedroom and two
bedroom plus a loft, which will range from 931 to 1405 square feet. All the homes will have a two car
garage with direct access into the homes. The site is currently zoned commercial. With the recent
construction of Wal Mart and the existing retail building at the east side of the property, it's an unlikelycandidateforretail, in terms of its exposure to the retail corridor of Tustin. A change to residential seems
like an appropriate use for the site. The owners of the property have owned the land for the past 16 years.The site is surrounded by retail uses on the east and south side. The area to the north is residential, and
to the west is a church. Beyond the church is an area that is predominantly single family homes. Their
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project will provide a proper transition between residential areas to the west and the retail-commercial
to the east and south. Based on a traffic study, a commercial center under the current zoning would
create traffic of two to three times more than their 117 units. There are currently 13 vacant, single family
homes on the site that were built many years ago. Those homes will be demolished in conjunction with
the development of their
project.Commissioner Romero was concerned with the open space requirements and the tandem
parking.Mr. Woodward said they have the ability to add a deck on Plan "D" to provide open space. Plan "B"
can accommodate some private space to exceed the open space requirement. The CC&R's will require
that cars be parked in the tandem parking spaces. Guest spaces are only for guest parking. The homeowner'
s association board will have the right to enforce the rules of the CC&R'
s.Commissioner Carlton said the staff report notes there were two meetings with the neighbors.
She wanted to know how many people showed up and if there were suggestions made at those meetings
that were incorporated into their
plans.Mr. Woodward could not speak about the first meeting because he was unable to attend. The
second meeting was not well attended -- only 6 or 8 people. There were concerns about traffic, but nothing
specific. Mr. Rios had some concerns, but they were able to come to an agreement about sewer hookup,
and curb, gutter and sidewalk improvements.
Chairman Bosch's concern is their request for the variance. He wanted to know the reason for reducing
the required yard depth in more detail and why there is a hardship that accrues to the property not caused
by the proposed development.
Robert Mickelson. P.O. Box 932. Oranae. handed out prepared findings for the conditional use permit,
planned unit development, tentative tract and for the variance. The property does have special
circumstances to justify a reduction of the 20 foot front yard setback from the public right-of-way,
and the minimum distance between buildings. The site is very unique and irregular in size and
shape. The widening of Heim will take property from the south side of the center line, thus reducing the
north side dimensions. The site is located adjacent to commercial development. Both the commercial
and church properties have minimal front yard setbacks. The planned unit development standards were
created for such a residential environment further away from commercial. There are 10 to 15 foot setbacks
for the multi-family residential homes in the area as well. Staff is recommending conditions that
require the south side of Heim to be posted for no parking and to allow no direct pedestrian access. This
creates a situation where there isn't the normal planned development where the homes fronting on and relating
to the street frontage, and thus the 20 foot front yard setback. But, rather a side yard more consistent
with
the R3 zoning.Chairman Bosch also had concerns relative to private open space. He asked if there was
an exhibit that demonstrates the private open spaces and patios. He was concerned about the effect
the decks might have on the design in terms of privacy for other units, encroachments on
setbacks,
or building separations.Mr. Woodward replied they did have an exhibit. The one plan would be at ground level
to create an outdoor patio vs. a deck on the other plans. But, every home will have
private open space.Chairman Bosch had deep concerns about the tandem parking. With the tandem
parking taken into account, there is a surplus of parking, but if they are not available, there will be a deficit.
He is also concerned about the quantity of guest parking available and accessibility
to the units.Mr. Woodward explained the concept of the tandem garages. There has to be cooperation
of the tandem parking in terms of who is going to get out and who is going to get in. The market has
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home buyer favors the tandem parking. Regarding buildings 10 and 11, they have taken building 10 and
flipped it over. They have also added three (3) guest parking spaces adjacent to building 11.
Chairman Bosch referred to the area at the northeastern portion of the site, buildings 3, 4 and 5. There
appears to be guest parking in front of the garages. He wanted to know if the spaces met the code
requirements, and how many of those units have tandem parking.
Mr. Woodward stated they have not counted those spaces as guest parking spaces. They view them as
flex-guest parking spaces. In each of the six-unit buildings, four of the homes have
tandem garage parking. The spaces are considered to be a standard parking
bay dimension.Mr. Mickelson added that the tandem garages are much deeper than one might expect, so there
is area provided in the front even if two cars were parked in the garages. The parking calculations were
based on the 3-bedroom unit, which is really a
2-bedroom and loft.Commissioner Smith wanted to know where the children will play in this type of
configuration. She didn't see any
open space for running.Mr. Woodward addressed the question by stating with the 1- and 2-bedroom homes.
they don't expect to have many children. The project is not designedfor children, but that doesn'
t
preclude them from the development.1 person spoke
in favor of the project:Joseph Padilla, 703 East Cumberland Road. said his father-in-law is
Eddie Rios. They have met with the staff, and they feel that Greystone has been cooperative through
the process. They do not oppose the plan. They hope to be included alongwith the zone change because they don'
t want to be an island. The only concern they have is the access to the back lot.
Mr. Rios stores his
equipment back there.2 people were neutral:Stan Hartman, OUSD. 1401 North Handv Street, said the
District does not oppose the project; however,the project will have a significant adverse impact on
district facilities. Not withstanding the recent passage of SB 50, the District believes the full mitigation cost to be $
4,083.00 for each multi-family attached dwelling unit. The District requests that the Planning
Commission exercise its discretion and make, as a condition for approval, a mitigation agreement
between the District and Greystone Homes, calling for mitigation in the amount of $477,711.00. Greystone
has indicated a willingness to pay the District pursuant to such a mitigation agreement. The
District further proposes the mitigation agreement contain a provision that the agreement is to be brought into compliance
with the recently passed SB 50, and as soon as SB 50 rules are established in detail, if the rules call for
a refund or credit to Greystone Homes, the District will be happy to do so. If, the rules call
for an increased mitigation, then Greystone Homes
would make the additional payment to the District.Bob Bennvhoff, 10652 Morada Drive, Oranae Park Acres, stated
the new project does not appear to be compatible with the existing neighborhood. He wanted to know if
this
has a bearing on the Commission's
findings.20 people were opposed to the
proiect:Pastor Ron Martin, 1895
North Shattuck Place David Riley,
2339 North Glenwood Doug Matthews,
2580 North Canal Jan Myers. 2560
North Canal Derek Hinkle,
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Mark Manning, 2710 North Gaff Street
Mary Woodhouse, 2530 North Bortz Street
Diane Nowak, 2541 North Bortz Street
Kathryn O'Rourke, 2520 North Bortz Street
Gary Nowak, 2541 North Bortz Street
Stephen Rhode, 2505 North Bortz Street
John Rhode, 2505 North Bortz Street
Helen Annis, 2511 Canal Street
Barbara DeNiro, address on file
Vern Brierly, 903 East St. James Avenue
Aaron Hirschy, 1233 East Glendora
Carole Walters, 534 North Shaffer Street
Chris Kelly, 2508 North Canal
Sharon Roguemore, 2621 North Canal
The speakers were opposed to the project because high density housing will have an adverse effect on
the neighborhood. Three story buildings are not compatible with the surrounding area; there are no three
story homes now. A gated housing project makes a negative statement to the neighbors. There will be a
problem enforcing the rules in this part of town. Big rig trucks are using Canal every day. Packing more
people into this neighborhood will only compound problems and lead to the deterioration of a very nice
area. There will be increased traffic on Canal Street, and when Heim is widened, the street will invite more
traffic. There are concerns about the children's safety; children also need a place to play. School is an
issue as the schools are already over crowded. One hundred seventeen (117) units is too many for such
a small area. Many who spoke did not oppose development at the site, but the density needs to be
lowered. Tandem parking will definitely present problems; it will be impossible to enforce. People will park
in the church parking lot, at the mall, or in the neighborhood to handle the overflow parking. There was
concern about only one entry into the site. Fire, life and safety concerns were also voiced. It's not
necessary to take the first proposal that comes along if it doesn't fit within the community. Several people
did not receive notification of the community meetings.
RECESS - The Chair recessed the meeting at 8:40 p.m.RECONVENE -
The meeting reconvened at 8:50 p.m.Applicant's
response Mr. Woodward
was surprised with the community's opposition. The list they used to notify the people of the community
meetings is the same list provided to the City. He heard their concerns to be: security gates, CC&
R issues, 3-story element of the houses, potential visual intrusion, and traffic. A 20 foot setback
is not appropriate at this site when looking at other adjacent properties and their setbacks. The City
is requiring Greystone Homes to make improvements to Heim, and also posting no parking signs.Commissioner
Carlton said Mr. Padilla mentioned the property that is not included. She wanted to know where
the access to the back of the property would be. She asked if Greystone had a first right of refusal on
that property. She also wanted to know what will happen to the trees on Heim.Mr.
Woodward explained Mr. Rios has put in a request to Greystone for access to the rear of the property.However,
they have not agreed to an access point. They plan to meet with him to discuss the issues in order
to mitigate his concerns. Greystone has no agreement with Mr. Rios regarding a first right of refusal.The
Rios' rejected Greystone Homes' offer to purchase their home. It is their plan to leave the trees on Heim,
if it is feasible, but a study will need to be done.Commissioner
Carlton's concerns pertained to the open space issues and the lack of a tot lot.Commissioner
Pruett questioned the planter and fencing on the south side of the south entry in terms of the
line of sight issues for cars exiting the development.7
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Mr. Woodward said they only have a conceptual landscape plan. As they move forward to engineering
plans, a line of sight study will be required by the City.
Commissioner Smith spoke to the driveways and guest parking, which Mr. Woodward pointed out on the
exhibit and explained. He also explained the rationale of the variance request for the two buildings.
Chairman Bosch had a number of questions. The School District represented that Greystone Homes had
stipulated to payment of fees subject to SB 50 regulations.
Mr. Woodward replied that was not correct. They have been talking to the School District about how to
handle this situation. With the passage of SB 50, there are new rules and they both need to work
together to satisfy the District's concerns.
Chairman Bosch had a hard time identifying usable public and private outdoor open space, not within
setback areas of the project. There has been mention of decks and patios. but he didn't see a clear
exhibit to demonstrate that Greystone Homes is meeting the intent, let alone the actuality of the ordinance
with regard to usable open space per unit.
Mr. Woodward believed they were meeting the intent of the ordinance for open space by having a pool,
spa and recreational building rather than a tot lot that may only attract two children. They are not
discouraging children, but are trying to meet the market's demand.
Chairman Bosch didn't see how tandem parking was going to work, particularly in the case of the units
towards the northeast area of the site, which have the potential guest parking in front of the garages. He
wanted to know what is driving the tandem parking.
Mr. Woodward explained this similar product has been built in Anaheim Hills and in Irvine. Buyers have
received the tandem parking very well. To be able to provide endosed, direct access parking, is a benefit.
The tandem parking is driven in order to get the density that is appropriate.
Chairman Bosch discussed variances and the necessary findings for the hardship that is created by others
rather than the developer. The widening of Heim is a pre-existing condition on the site. Units can
be designed to fit and don't require the variances to be
applied.Mr. Mickelson addressed the variance findings and reasons to request a variance from the code. They
are stretching the classic text book requirement for variances and weighing it against the desirability of
the living environment within the
project.Chairman Bosch noted that traffic is also a critical issue. He was interested in the rationale that drove
the choice of putting the one and only vehicular access onto Canal Street, rather than onto
Heim.Mr. Woodward responded it was driven by a couple of factors. One, by putting the entry next to the
Rios'property, it could better buffer the property from some residential units. Also from a stacking point, it
made some logical sense in terms of being able to properly fit the community together. They thought
vehicular travel of getting in and out of the development, would be more easily accomplished on Canal with its
two lanes vs. a busier street on
Heim.The public hearing was
closed.Commissioner Romero was not enthused with the project because of his concerns about open space,
the lack of grass area. The number of units that are being proposed is what is causing the request for
a variance. He had a real problem with the tandem
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Commissioner Pruett did not see an issue of hardship to approve a variance. He was concerned about the
sound wall along the arterial frontages, and how they are going to be treated as they relate to the street.
He wanted to know if there is going to be a buffer between the block wall and the sidewalk area in terms of
vegetation to soften the visual impact of the block wall. There is legitimate concern of the community with
regard to the proposed project in terms of a gated community and security issues. The 3-
story development is inappropriate for the area. The building mass and density is inconsistent and is
not compatible with the neighborhood. Also, he felt tandem parking is unacceptable. He cautioned
against creating a community that someone will invest in and then turn around and rent it, which turns into
rental
property.Commissioner Carlton thought this was an exciting design, its innovative and very attractive;
however,there is just too much of it. She was not as concerned with the tandem parking. By adding the three (
3)parking spaces takes away from the landscaping. A deck or patio is not enough open space. The
issues with Mr. Rios needs to be resolved prior to any action being
taken.Commissioner Smith brought up an issue about the presence of large trucks on Canal. She
requested Code Enforcement staff investigate these complaints. It was a condition of the Wal Mart project that
there would not be large trucks on Canal. That should be enforced. The big trucks will affect the sale of
these homes. She was not prepared to take action on the application as it is. She would like to see
some revisions/modifications made to the project. The buildings are incompatible; too big for the
neighborhood and too close together. She is not in favor of reduced setbacks. Setbacks buffer the residents from
traffic and outside noises. She is opposed to the tandem parking. More open space and more green area
is needed. Housing also needs to be family oriented and child friendly. She wanted to see a tot lot or
play area for children. She believed the hardship on the property is self-imposed. Accommodations
need to be made around the original property owner, who chooses
to stay.Chairman Bosch's key concern is that a planned unit development is a tool that has been put
in place where the plan can create a better living environment and a better relationship to the community
than one could accommodate by utilizing the strict development standards under a specific zone.
Tandem parking has been allowed in some developments in the City where the parking exceeded that which
was required by code. In this case, if the tandem parking were taken away, parking would not meet
code requirements.The problems with tandem parking have been well documented. He also looks for what has
been gained with a planned unit development. And, what's been gained is the adoption of a particular type
of housing style that required the tandem parking, required the third floor rooms in some of the units,
that mandated an absolute minimum of outdoor open space, that mandated an absolute maximum of paved area,
and a closure off from the community rather than opening up into the community. A PUD concept
cannot be used to justify a reduction in living styles, or a reduction away from the zoning ordinance
without gaining some benefit back in return. Based on developments throughout the City, densities of this
and higher,this project doesn't have any of those gains. The renderings of the buildings are beautiful, but they
don't belong in the neighborhood. The site plan is too dense and too over developed, and doesn't
relate to the community that it is designed to focus towards. The site would have been
more appropriately approached perhaps as residential rather than as commercial, but not with this high of density.
The project is not a benefit to the community given this degree of density and the way the site is laid out with
the huge impacts. There is no pedestrian environment that is usable on the site. He hopes the developer
would go back and look for a way to apply a lower zoning ordinance level. He encouraged the developer
to
try again.The Commission asked the applicant if he would like to continue the hearing in order to
revise
their proposal.Mr. Woodward agreed to a continuance to revise their proposal and to meet with
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MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Pruett, seconded by Commissioner Carlton, to continue General Plan
Amendment 2-98, Zone Change 1196-98, Conditional Use Permit 2227-98, Tentative
Tract Map 15680 and Variance 2058-98 to the meeting
of
February
1,1999.AYES:NOES:Commissioners Bosch,
Carlton, Pruett, Romero,
Smith None MOTION CARRIED A legal notice will be mailed to owners of record, once again, who live within 300 feet of
the project at that time. The developer is encouraged to provide good
communication to the
neighbors.IN RE:MISCELLANEOUS 6. MINOR SITE PLAN REVIEW
64-98 - SPIEKER PROPERTIES The applicant is proposing to install gates to restrict access to a portion of the parking
area for "The Block at Orange". The parking area proposed to be enclosed is for the exclusive use of the
tenants of the One-City Office Tower on weekdays from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Otherwise, the parking
will be available for patrons of both the One-City Office Tower and patrons of "The Block
at Orange". The parking area proposed to be enclosed is located southwest of the One-City Office Tower.
The site is located west of the City Drive between
Chapman Avenue and the SR-22 Freeway.NOTE:This project is categorically exempt from
the provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act per State CEQA Guidelines Section 15301.Chris Carnes, Associate Planner, presented the full staff
report. Spieker Properties requests to gate off approximately 1200 parking spaces around their office building that
is located adjacent to The Block at Orange. The applicant is requesting this so that it will
guarantee parking spaces adjacent to the Office Tower for tenants and visitors. There will be seven (7) gates.
The existing parking lot has been designed in terms of the placement of planter islands and gating to enclose
the parking spaces so that they can control access. The parking lot will be closed during the day, but will
be open for use during the evenings and on weekends. The gates will be used from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.
m. on weekdays, but left open on weekends and on holidays. The City's zoning ordinance
allows an applicant to propose restrictions to parking lots subject to going through the Minor Site Plan
Review process. That process allows the Staff Review Committee to review the proposal for on-
site
and off-site circulation, emergency access, and safe design.The Staff Review Committee has been reviewing this proposal
for the last six (6) months and during a meeting in October, the Committee
referred it to the Planning Commission since the Planning Commission in April approved a conditional use permit
for shared parking. Staff felt it was appropriate for the Commission to make
this determination. After site modifications and after reviewing directional signage, the SRC felt that the proposal does
allow emergency services to access the parking lot and Office Tower. Staff also found that the
peak parking demand for the commercial uses, excluding the Office Tower is approximately 4,100 parking
spaces, and excluding the 1,200 parking spaces being enclosed in the office parking lot, there will be
4,300 parking spaces available. There is substantial parking available when the office component of the shared
parking agreement is taken out. There was a concern by the SRC and there is a condition regarding the
ability for the applicant to charge for parking. Committee members felt that Spieker Properties should not be
allowed to charge for parking unless there was a comprehensive parking plan done to assure that tenants trying
to avoid paying for parking don't park on the neighboring parking lots, which would still be
free. The existing parking lot has been designed to accommodate the gating. The applicant was allowed to
do that "at risk" because it is relatively inexpensive to put the improvements in when the parking lot
was redeveloped and repaved as opposed to trying
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Commissioner Smith stated it was extremely unusual for the Commission to receive a staff report the day
of the hearing. She wondered what the delay has been.
Mr. Carnes explained that Spieker Properties, Mills staff and City staff have been meeting for six months to
discuss this proposal. Two weeks ago, Spieker Properties requested staff to expedite this request
because of the grand opening of The Block at Orange. They were concerned that parking for their people
would not be available.
Commissioner Pruett asked how people will gain entry into parking lot #2. Sign #2 in the staff report
should include directions for visitors to the Office Tower.
Mr. Carnes said there were manned gates at the two entry drives. Signage can be changed to include
directions for visitors.
The public hearing was opened.
Aoolicant. Mark Valentine. 1 City Blvd. West. thanked the Commission for their consideration. They are
trying to preserve the parking nearest the building for those who work and do business out of the Office
Tower. There will be no impacts to the surrounding streets. They have worked with the Mills Corporation
and both are in agreement with this parking arrangement.
Commissioner Romero wanted to know if there was a desire to charge for parking.
Mr. Valentine said there would be a desire to pay for parking some time in the future, but they understand
from the conditions the reasons for not charging people to park in their lot. They also understand they
must go through the appropriate approval process if they choose to charge for parking.
The Commission and staff discussed the pay for parking concept in this particular parking lot.
Commissioner Carlton saw a potential problem with the parking lot being gated until 6:00 p.m. People will
be coming to The Block for an early dinner and might have trouble finding a parking space.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Pruett talked about an employees' parking lot and a visitors' parking lot. Ingress and egress
throughout the day is important to tenants. He agreed with Commissioner Carlton and suggested the
applicant might want to look at the concept that after 4:00 p.m., to open up the parking lots to people
coming to The Block for the evening.
Commissioner Romero had a problem with this type of parking because there is no prior history.
Commissioner Smith was irritated that this came in so late. Pay for parking is a concern; there must be
some monitoring system in place. When that comes up the next time, she will expect those plans to be
submitted on time.
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It was noted the project is categorically exempt from CEOA review.
MOTION
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Pruett, to approve Minor Site Plan Review
64-98, with conditions 1 through 4, finding that the project will not cause a deterioration to
neighboring land uses, it conforms to the development standards and meets special criteria. There is clearly
no significant negative environmental impact. There are many adequate, alternative site circulation and
site parking areas available to support the project, and all of the services in the community and aesthetics
are
met.
AYES:
NOES:Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett,
Smith Commissioner Romero MOTION
CARRIED 7. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPEAL NO. 04-98 (RE: DRB NO. 3367 - EVERFRESH
COFFEE,BAKERY &
WATER)The applicant is appealing the Design Review Board's denial of a proposed new awning. The site
is located at 3904 East Chapman
Avenue.Mr. Godlewski referred to Exhibit A in the staff report which indicates the original proposal that was
brought before the DRB. The DRB had specific concerns with the amount of signage that was presented
in Exhibit A and recommended that they might take the signage off of the awning and incorporate it with
the larger sign that is allowed on the store front
itself.The applicant has already undertaken the DRB's recommendation to make an integrated sign that
says,Coffee Bakery & Water" and is now proposing to come back with just an awning. The only thing left in
the application that the DRB did not approve of was the awning itself. The applicant has complied with DRB'
s recommendations and is looking to put up the fabric awning underneath the wood trellis which is on
the existing store
front.The applicant requested to install a small, burgundy red, awning on their store front. There will not be
any sign on the awning. The new awning will enhance the look of the center and provide protection from
rain.She provided a letter from the landlord to the
Commission.Commissioner Smith wanted to know from staff if the awning is acceptable, or is it out of character for
the area, and does it meet code
requirements.Mr. Godlewski stated the awning complies with code requirements. The DRB's recommendation was
that the awning did not fit with the wood trellis portion of the building that is existing on the
site.Commissioner Smith was in favor of installing the awning. She liked the applicant's rationale that the
trellis doesn't help protect customers from rain. Awnings give a degree of elegance to a
doorway.
MOTION Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Smith, to uphold the appeal of DRB
No.04-98, and approve the applicant's redesign based upon Exhibit B in the
staff
report.
AYES:NOES:Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett,
Romero, Smith None
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IN RE:PUBLIC COMMENTS
Bob Bennvhoff. 10642 Morada Drive. Oranae Park Acres. suggested that within State law, the City give
some thought to the minimum 300 foot radius of notifying property owners. There must be a common
sense approach to notify concerned people. He felt it was unfair that some people are not notified of a
public hearing.
Barbara DeNiro. address on file. was happy to see that the Mills Corporation agreed with the Spieker
Properties. She thanked the Commission for their comments and continuance of the Greystone
development.
IN RE:ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Smith, seconded by Commissioner Carlton, to adjourn to a special study session
with the City Council on Wednesday, December 2, 1998, at 5:00 p.m. to discuss the Plaza Restoration
Project.
The meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m.
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Bosch, Carlton, Pruett, Romero, Smith
None MOTION CARRIED
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