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City of Orange April 15, 1991
Orange, California Monday - 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy
ABSENT: Commissioner Scott
STAFF
PRESENT: Joan Wolff, Sr. Planner and Commission Secretary;
John Godlewski, Administrator of Current Planning;
Jack McGee, Director of Community Development;
Bob Herrick, Assistnat City Attorney;
Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IN RE: MINUTES OF APRIL 1, 1991
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Murphy, to approve the Minutes of April 1, 1991 as
recorded.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch,
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Scott
Cathcart, Master, Murphy
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1901-91, NEGATIVE DECLARATION
1374-91 - THE BREMCO COMPANIES:
A request to allow the expansion of an existing truck
terminal facility. Subject property is located on the
southwest corner of Taft Avenue and Case Street, addressed
640 West Taft Avenue.
NOTE: Negative Declaration 1374-91 has been prepared
to assess the environmental impacts of this
project.
Staff commented a condition of approval was inadvertently
omitted. Condition 16 is to be added: "Payment of TSIP
fee as required by City ordinance."
A staff report was not presented and the public hearing
was opened.
Applicant
Richard Darling, 3470 East Spring Street, Long Beach,
represented The Bremco Companies, which is the general
contractor for M.W. Transport. M.W. Transport is ex-
panding this particular facility to further their
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 2
of business. The impacts would be minimal from the stand-
point that this is a cross dock operation rather than
a warehousing operation. Types of trucks to be used
are 28 foot vans rather than the large 45 or 50 foot
trailers. It's in keeping with the current zoning. The
operation will be exactly the same; that of a trucking
operation for local distribution.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Murphy noticed the Negative Declaration
listed on the staff report was 1374, but it is referenced
as 1375.
Ms. Wolff said 1374 was the correct one.
Moved by Commissioner Murphy, seconded by Commissioner
Master, to accept the findings of the Environmental Review
Board to file Negative Declaration 1374-91 in that the
project will not have a significant adverse impact on
the environment or wildlife resources.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch,
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Scott
Cathcart, Master, Murphy
MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Murphy, seconded by Commissioner
Master, to approve Conditional Use Permit 1901-91 with
the conditions as noted, #1-16.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch,
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Scott
Cathcart, Master, Murphy
MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
COPdDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1901-91 - SPECIALTY RESTAURANTS
CORPORATION:
A request to allow tandem parking in a valet parking
lot and to allow a portion of the parking lot to extend
into the A-1 Agricultural Zone. Subject property is
located on the south side of Chapman Avenue between
Canyon View Avenue and Calle Grande, addressed 6410
East Chapman Avenue (Orange Hill Restaurant).
A staff report was not presented. The public hearing was
opened.
Planning Commission Minutes
Ai~'ril 15, 1991 - Page 3
Applicant
William Tallichet, 2099 So. State College Boulevard #300,
Anaheim, proposed the expansion of their existing parking
lot to bring their current parking from what is now 108
stalls self-parking to the intended 197 spaces shown
on the plan. The reason for their needing the additional
space is because they have a parking problem. There is
quite a bit of business and sometimes the parking lot
does not work well. They proposed some additions to the
restaurant, which includes a patio deck and a cocktail
lounge expansion. By City code, they needed to have
over 190 stalls for that. They've tried to use every
inch of space on top of the lot to make the parking work.
They have tried to come up with a scheme for the parking
lot to dedicate all parking in a valet situation.
Mr. Tallichet referred to Condition 4 -- a minimum of
two valets provided Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday,
and six valets Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Currently,
the volume of the restaurant during day time hours makes
it difficult to staff valet attendants during the day.
Their intention is to provide valets during the evenings
bulk of their business). They are closed Saturday
for lunch and Monday for lunch. Instead of having to
staff a minimum of two on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday they request the Commission waive that condition
for valet attendance during day time hours. They will
comply with five valets during the evening on Friday
and Saturday. They propose to have three valets during
Sunday brunch and two during the evening.
Referring to Condition 9 regarding a 10% of the landscaping;
he barely has 3% of ground area to use with the proposed
plan.
The Commission and Mr. Tallichet discussed the land-
scaping in depth. Sloped areas are to also be landscaped
with trees in addition to the flat areas.
Valet parking was discussed. The intention of the valet
lot is to be able not only to have more parking available
on site, but create a receiving area so as to accept
people. He's asking to waive the valet lot during the
day. Self-parking is available during the lunch hours.
The safety issue was brought up and Mr. Tallichet has
spoken with the Fire Department about this. A monitoring
program was suggested to make sure there are no problems.
Ms. Wolff had a copy of a letter which was addressed to
staff, of which a copy was sent to the Fire Department.
The condition was pulled from a portion of the letter.
The condition could be modified if the Commission desires.
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April 15, 1991 - Page 4
Chairman Bosch wondered about banquet business during
week day lunches.
Mr. Tallichet said it would be in their best interest
to provide the best service possible to their customers.
Valet service would be provided for banquets.
The Commission wanted a way to assure that conformance
to a safety issue would be adhered to.
The public hearing was closed.
Chairman Bosch thought some type of review or certification
by the land owner that they are complying in good faith
was needed. In the Commission's motion they ought to
include that whenever the banquet rooms are in use, that
valets would have to be there. Perhaps a semi-annual
review submitted to the Planning Department would be
in order. He suggested adding Condition 15 requiring a
semi-annual report be made by the applicant to the
Planning Department indicating the number of occasions
in which they've utilized valets and numbers different
than those included with the approval, and to modify
Condition 4 to match the letter regarding number of
valets that the Fire Department reviewed (except for the
banquet condition).
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Murphy, to approve Conditional Use Permit 1904-91,
amending Condition 4: No valets would be required during
the day time during Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and
Friday except when the banquet rooms are used; that there
will be a minimum of two valets provided on Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday evenings; five valets
on Friday and Saturday evenings; and five valets (day
and evening) on Sunday; with a minimum of six valets on
holidays. Also, to add Condition 15 requiring a semi-
annual report be made by the applicant to the Planning
Department regarding valet parking.
AYES: Commissioners
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner
Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy
Scott
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
MOTION CARRIED
ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 3-91 - CITY OF ORANGE
An amendment to the Orange Municipal Code providing
implementation measures intended to reduce traffic
congestion within the city. This amendment has been
prepared to meet the requirements of AB 1791.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 5
Mr. Godlewski introduced the Traffic Demand Management
ordinance. As mandated by state law, cities are required
to implement this ordinance. Planning and engineering
staff have been working on this jointly and the engineering
division has taken the lead on this.
The Commission has received two written communications
this evening; one from Foothill Community Builders
dated April 15, 1991, and one from the Orange Chamber of
Commerce dated April 10, 1991.
Frank Page, Director of Public Works, presented the
staff report on the proposed amendment. On June 5, 1990
voters approved Proposition 111 which was a gas tax. In
order to get the gas tax approved there was a desire to
establish a transportation blueprint for the State of
California (AB 471). This required congestion management
planning. The plans require certain elements that
cities have to follow in order to become eligible for
receipt of funds that are collected from this gas tax.
Cities are to meet levels of service standards on the
congestion management system. In the County of Orange
they decided it should be the minimal system at this
time. City of Orange only has one super street -
Katella. There are only two intersections that are to
be counted or measured. If you don't meet your level
of service standards, you are required to establish a
deficiency plan. The city is required to have Capital
Improvement Plans that go out seven years to conform to
the new California Transportation Commission cycle of
doing the State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP).
They are attempting to meet the deadlines of this planning
effort, which requires them to have intersections counted,
the Capital Improvement Plan and T.D.M. Ordinance ready
by April 24, 1991. The bare minimum requirements
include the Transportation Demand Management Ordinance
which must be met by July 1, 1991. Staff has not
attempted to make the city's TDM Ordinance any more
stringent than AQMD. In fact, AnMD will soon go from
the 1.5 A.V.R. requirement to 1.$ A.V.R. requirement and
the City of Orange will have some difficulty meeting
that.
Bernie Dennis, Traffic Engineer, discussed the Traffic
Demand Management Ordinance. In February they submitted
copies of the document to the Transportation Planning
Committee, the Chamber of Commerce and indirectly to the
Irvine Company. Their staff received a number of
comments and he went over these because they were pertinent
to the document. Corrections were made in the document.
As a program goal they were trying to achieve a 1.5
A.V.R. The ordinance is predicated on number of employees
100+). A recorded document will be required, but it
will state that there are only program requirements and
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 6
the document will be on file in the office of the City
Clerk. A major issue with the Chamber was compliance.
Once a year an employer is to notify the City to say
their TDM programs are still in effect. The document
has been amended to reflect certain conditions. The
Chamber was interested that the TDM Ordinance do nothing
that would jeopardize the City's competitive environment
within the County with other cities.
Commissioner Cathcart asked about a gas station on the
property of the Orange Mall; would it be exempt from
the ordinance?
Mr. Dennis said in his earlier exa~ple of a gas station,
the City would not have any involvement with the gas
station, but AQMD would. The only time the ordinance
would be applicable is if the employer were seeking some
type of discretionary permit from the City.
Chairman Bosch asked if a building permit were a
discretionary permit?
Mr. Page referred to Page 9, Section VI.B. which speaks
about a building permit as being a discretionary action.
There was considerable discussion about the ordinance
and gradfathering the enterprises into compliance based
on the 100 or more employees. At the time a particular
business exceeds 100 employees they would have to implement
programs to a 1.5 A.V.R.
The fee structure of $100,000.00 seemed excessive. The
fee structure is based on an hourly rate plus 350
overhead). The $100,000.00 is a ceiling rate. The
appeal fee, as advised by the City Attorney, may not be
applicable; it might be too high. The purpose is to
reduce trips and in so doing the City will get money from
the State.
Referring to Section VII, standards are not quantified.
Standards was not a good term to use; facility improvements
or another term would have been better. It's not
necessarily true for quantitative evaluation on all of
these. Rather than using the word "goal" in the document,
use "requirement"; it's not strictly a goal or hope, but
a requirement.
The public hearing was opened.
Paul Pursell, 16561 Alliance Avenue, Tustin, president
of the Orange Chamber of Commerce, made comments on the
document. The Chamber wished to express it's appreciation
to Bernie Dennis and staff for their cooperation in this
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April 15, 1991 - Page 7
matter. He pointed out a couple of key issues: They
asked that businesses not be saddled with restrictions
that exceed those requirements. They are trying to make
Orange a more profitable and lucrative place to do
business. They have a concern about the definitions
of employer and worksite. They are concerned about the
smaller businesses in the community. They recognize
the AQMD is attempting to increase the A.V.R. They
understand that 1.5 is the goal. This is a tough goal
to achieve. They feel strongly. about the trigger
mechanism. It should only apply when the businesses
change and will result in an increase in the number of
employees. The fee structure needs a limit by some
identifiable measure.
Mike Erickson, 550 Newport Center Drive, Newport Beach,
Vice-President of Transportation for the Irvine Company,
complemented staff on their knowledge of a difficult
issue and willingness to listen to the concerns of the
people. The Irvine Company is very supportive of the
ordinance as a whole. He voiced three issues and suggested
some specific changes in the ordinance. Refer to
Attachments A, B and C as part of the letter received
from Foothill Community Builders, dated April 15, 1991.
He asked to not refer to specifics, but rather have a
goal to shoot towards. Flexibility is needed.
The public hearing was closed.
Mr. Herrick clarified that in Section IX, Page 16,
Paragraph B.l. -- due to the requirements of State law
with respect to cities imposing civil penalties, he
suggested it be changed to, "Failure to certify annual
compliance by January 1 shall constitute a misdemeanor
from time certain of breach until receipt of letter of
compliance." And specify that each day is a separate
offense (such as in Paragraph 2). "Each day of breach
shall be a separate offense." This would be more consistent
with the powers of the City.
Mr. Dennis responded to the public's input. Pegarding
the 1.5 A.V.R., there needed to be some given number or
design criteria. There is no problem with using the
term "goal", but staff feels it is important to retain
the 1.5 A.V.R. He commented on facility improvements,
immediate accessibility (1/4 mile is realistic). The
two ordinances staff was most familiar with were from
the City of Santa Ana and City of Tustin. Copies could
be provided to the Commission. Tustin used the verbiage
contained in the Model Ordinance. The City of Orange is
extremely liberal. Orange is consistent with the other
cities regarding employer/worksite definitions. Orange is
probably less restrictive with the ordinance than other
cities.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 8
Commissioner Cathcart asked about a reduction in TSIP
fees. He thought there should be some relief along the
line. Staff did not know for certain about a reduction
in user fees.
Mr. Page stated it is the City's intent to meet the
requirements of the C.M.P. and the Growth Management Plan.
If they don't the City will be in violation and the
State will stop sending checks. Staff sees a problem in
the future if the goals are not met. The City must
adhere to the C.M.P. to meet Measure M; it cannot afford
to ignore it.
The Commission went through the Draft Traffic Demand
Management Ordinance page by page and made specific
changes or comments. The City Attorney's Office will
codify the document upon completion in an attempt to
make it more manageable.
Section II - Policy. Leave 1.5 A.V.R. as a goal or to
conform to the A.V.R. adopted by the S.C. AQMD.
Section IV - Definitions of Words and Terms. Discretionary
permit to be addressed in M. "Development Project"
Page 5). This is not limited to discretionary permits.
Building permits are not typically thought of as being
discretionary, yet they are conditioned on code compliance.
In the process of codification, if it appears to be a
problem, staff will include that in the staff report to
the City Council.
Addition to E. "Employee" (Page 4): "...performing their
normal workday employment services on the worksite."
Addition to F. "Employee Generation Factors" (Page 4):
based on the methodology outlined in Section V."
The Chamber had a concern about "Employer" (Page 5)
being in concert with that adopted by the AQMD. It is
the Commission's understanding it does conform to that.
J. "Immediate Accessibility" (Page 5). The Commission
prefers leaving 1/4 mile from a land use and access
point of view.
R. "Remote Parking Facilities (Mode Mixer)" (Page 6).
Parking structure changed to parking facility.
W. "Worksite" (Page 7). Insert "in excess of 24 feet"
after right-of-way (last line).
X. "TDM Program Plan" (Page 7). Stress 1.5 A.V.R. goal.
It was suggested to do a search and replace for 1.5
A.V.R. to say 1.5 A.V.R. goal wherever mentioned in the
document.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 9
Section V - Applicability (Page 8). Add 1.5 A.V.R.
goal to last line.
Section VI - Trip Reduction...(Page 9). A concern was
expressed relative to predetermined measure for
identifying approval of the plan rather than subjective
determination. It will come through the full report
which has to be filed by the developer in which he
moves towards the goal. A concurrence statement could
be added as number 5. and making 5. number 6. The
City Attorney felt addressing this concern through the
appeal procedure would be more appropriate.
Page 10, D. Correct statement reads: "With the mutual
consent of the participants and upon approval of the
City Council conditions of the TDM Program may be changed."
Section VII - Facility Standards...(Page 11). Rather
than Facility Standard, a suggestion to use Program or
Facility Options was made. Use that throughout the
document. Chairman Bosch agreed with the Foothill
Community Builders suggestions relative to that section
putting action language provisions in. Provision of
participation incentives would be a good change to keep
the syntax. Provision of bus use incentive (under C.)
Page 12). Provision of HOV support vehicles (under F.)
Page 13). Chairman Bosch disagreed with the proposal
to modify the shower facilities provision under D. to
saying buildings having over 100,000 square feet because
this is a menu of options available to the developer; it's
not a mandate that he do any particular one of them.
There was concern about the staffing of a Transportation
Information Center. More and more, we're running into
staffing requirements to monitor that. It might
require a user friendly computer terminal that accesses
information that doesn't require a staff position. Mr.
Dennis responded staff could be a computer terminal or
be a phone number indicating where there is a knowledgeable
person who could address questions that might be asked.
Mr. Dennis suggested the Commission take a look at K. and
L. for future reference. A variety of programs will
introduce K. and L. concepts, different than this
document.
At the bottom of Page 14, *Facility standards be changed
to Program or Facility Options. (Search and replace).
Section IX - Enforcement Penalties (Page 16). Delete
from B. 1. "result in a penalty of $100" and put in
language similar to 2. "misdemeanor from July 1 until
receipt of letter of compliance." and "Each day of breach
shall be a separate offense."
Planning Commission Minutes
April 15, 1991 - Page 10
Section X - Appeals (Page 17). Mr. Herrick questioned
the 30 days for an appeal. Mr. Godlewski said Planning
is working on a 45 day schedule. It could be reworded
to say "as provided in the ordinance."
Section XI - Fees (Page 18). There were two earlier
comments, but no conclusion. A fee schedule based on
project size was suggested rather than leaving it open
ended. The Master Fee Resolution was referred to. It
is amended from time to time by City Council. Most
of_ the fees are simple processing fees. But there are
several of them that fall within the other category
i.e., Development Agreements). Eliminate $100,000 and
state "not to exceed the amount adopted by the Master
Fee Resolution." The City Attorney suggested adding,
fee as set by City Council by Resolution."
The appeal fee should be a reasonable fee and should be
consistent in accordance with City ordinance.
Schedule A (Page 19) - how does this compare to the
current parking standard? It's a take off from current
City ordinance.
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Bosch, to recommend to the City Council to adopt
Ordinance Amendment 3-91 regarding Draft Traffic Demand
Management Ordinance as amended by the Planning Commission.
AYES: Commissioners
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner
Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy
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IN RE: ADJOURNMENT
MOTION CARRIED
Moved by Commissioner Murphy, seconded by Commissioner
Master, to adjourn to a study session Wednesday, April 24,
1991 at 5:30 p.m. in the Weimer Room to discuss the
landscape ordinance.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Cathcart, Master, Murphy
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Scott MOTION CARRIED
The meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
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