HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-02-1990 PC MinutesPLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
City of Orange April 2, 1990
Orange, California Monday - 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
ABSENT: None
STAFF
PRESENT: Joan Wolff, Sr. Planner and Commission Secretary;
John Godlewski, Administrator of Current Planning;
Jack McGee, Director of Community Development;
Bob Herrick, Assistant City Attorney;
Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IN RE: MINUTES OF MARCH 19, 1990
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Scott,
that the Minutes of March 19, 1990 be approved as recorded.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1821-90 - ST. MATTHEW'S OLD CATHOLIC
MISSION CHURCH, INC.:
A proposal to utilize a portion of an existing office
building as a church, and to authorize the joint use of
common parking facilities. The project site is located in
the M-1 zone, at the northwest corner of Orangewood Avenue
and Eckhoff Street.
NOTE: This project is categorically exempt from the
provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act (CEQA) per State CEQA Guidelines, Section 15301.
No one was opposed to this request; therefore, a staff
report was not presented. The public hearing was opened.
Applicant
Father Brian Delvo, 5853 Debra Street, Long Beach, Associate
Pastor at St. Matthew's Old Catholic Mission Church,
requested to utilize the space for their parish offices.
Some of the area would be used for classrooms and
educational meetings for approximately 20 people, and for
Sunday worship, weekend weddings, and occasional funerals.
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April 2, 1990 - Page 2
Commissioner Master drove by the facility and noted the
building was already occupied.
Father Delvo said they were given permission to use the site
for office space and they are trying to get it ready for
Sunday u se.
The public hearing was closed.
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Greek,
that the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit
1821-90 with Conditions 1-11.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTTnN CARRTRI~
IN RE: NEW HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1822-90 - COMMERCE BANK:
A Conditional Use Permit application to allow two wall signs
which exceed the maximum 18" individual letter height and
maximum 24" sign height permitted by Orange Municipal Code
Section 17.78.080. The project site is located at 170 South
Main Street.
NOTE: This project is categorically exempt from the
provisions of the California Environmental Quality
Act (CEQA) per State CEQA Guidelines, Section 15381.
A staff report was not presented and the public hearing was
opened.
Applicant
Vickie Moore, represents New Arts Sign Makers, 3309
California Street, Costa Mesa, was under the impression the
bold signage had already been approved predicated on the
shortening of the ground sign that has been in existence for
seven years. Because the ground sign has been there and has
never created a hazard, it would be an undue expense for
Commerce Bank to shorten the sign.
Chairman Hart believed the application was for the building
sign. One of the conditions for approval is the shortening
of the monument sign.
Ms. Wolff said Commerce Bank has applied through the Design
Review Board for wall signs which do meet the requirements
of the code. These are for signs that are a maximum 24"
height -- 18" letter height. It was her understanding
Commerce Bank would like to come to the Planning Commission
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April 2, 1990 - Page 3
to request a waiver of those restrictions and receive
approval for a sign that is larger. The only thing that has
been approved at this time is for a sign that is in
compliance with the code. In order to exceed those
limitations, the Planning Commission would need to approve
the larger sign. As a condition of approval, staff is
recommending the modification of the ground sign.
Commissioner Master asked if it would be 44" in height?
Ms. Moore referred to the sign illustrations on the wall.
The logo is 42" -- the cap size on "Commerce Bank" is 32"
and lower case letters are 22". On the other one, they are
looking at 60" for the logo -- 44" for the cap height and
28" for the lower case.
Commissioner Bosch felt there should be a confirmation for
the record as to whether the letter sizes are taller than
the existing signs, equal to, or less than.
Ms. Moore did not know the size of the letters until they
get up there with a crane to measure.
Ms. Wolff stated the signs are similar. Staff has checked
their records, but did not find the exact height of the
letters. It's longer because the name is longer, but appear
to look comparable. California City Bank was approved under
a previous sign code; those requirements were different.
Commissioner Scott commented on the monument sign (ground
sign). Staff's concern was traffic visibility and that's
why they asked it to be reduced. In the past, when signs
were put out, applicants would get an encroachment permit.
It would be removed at a later date as a street was widened.
Commissioner Greek pointed out statement 19 -- the sign is
higher than was shown on the plan. It is in violation to
the plan that was approved in 1985.
Chairman Hart explained there is a 12" berm and the sign is
on top of that, which then violates the height limitation.
The sign should be measured from the top of the curb rather
than the top of the berm.
The public hearing was closed.
Moved by Commissioner Greek, seconded by Commissioner Bosch,
that the Planning Commission approve Conditional Use Permit
1822-90 subject to the conditions listed in the staff
report. The building signage is less than two-thirds of the
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maximum sign area allowed for the total site; however, the
monument is 12" higher than it should be.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Hart explained the building sign was approved, but
there was a problem with the monument sign.
IN RE: ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner
Greek, that the Planning Commission adjourn to April 4,
1990, for a study session in Conference Room "C" at 5:00
p.m. regarding the Zoning Ordinance; then a study session be
held April 9, 1990 in the Weimer Room at 5:00 p.m. regarding
a presentation by Southern California Edison Company and
discussion of the Landscape Ordinance.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Greek, Hart, Master, Scott
NOES: None MOTION CARRIED
The meeting adjourned at 7:15 p.m.
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