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Planning Commission March 2, 1992
City of Orange Monday - 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart
STAFF: Joan Wolff, Sr. Planner and Commission Secretary;
John Godlewski, Administrator of Current Planning;
Jack McGee, Director of Community Development;
Stan Soo-Hoo, Assistant City Attorney;
Gary Johnson, City Engineer; and
Sue Devlin, Recording Secretary
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IN RE: MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 10 AND FEBRUARY 19 1992
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Murphy, to
continue the Minutes of February 10, 1992 and to approve the Minutes
of February 19, 1992 as recorded.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1948-91, NEGATIVE DECLARATION 1402-91
CHOC REALTY AND CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF ORANGE COUNTY
A request to allow the expansion of CHOC Hospital including building
additions to the newly constructed hospital buildings, and existing office
building at the northeast corner of Main Street and LaVeta Avenue, and
the construction and operation of a temporary parking lot on the east
side of Main Street, south of LaVeta Avenue. Subject property is
located upon two sites: 1) the northeast corner of LaVeta and Main
Street, and 2) the east side of Main Street 230 feet south of LaVeta
Avenue.
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NOTE: In compliance with the California Environmental Quality
Act, Negative Declaration 1402-91 has been prepared for
this project.
Staff requests a continuance until March 16, 1992.
Moved by Commissioner Master, seconded by Commissioner Murphy, to
continue Conditional Use Permit 1948-91 and Negative Declaration
1402-91 to the meeting of March 16, 1992.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
IN RE: NEW HEARING
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1950-92 -ALEX PHILLIP
A proposal to construct a 2-story, second dwelling unit on property
abutting single story development in the R-2-6 (Residential Duplex)
zone. Subject property is located at 594 North Lemon Street.
NOTE: This project is categorically exempt from the provisions of
the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per Section
15303 of the State CEQA Guidelines.
Ms. Wolff presented the staff report. The applicant is proposing to
construct a second unit on property in the residential-duplex district. A
conditional use permit is required because the second unit is to be two
stories in height. When any proposed development in the R-2 zone
abuts single story development on three sides, then the zoning code
requires such development be one story in height. The zoning code
does, however, permit two story development if a conditional use
permit is approved by the Planning Commission. This property abuts a
single story home on the south and a proposed single story duplex to
the west. The existing home was recently demolished to make way for
a new development which would be a single story duplex building. It is
also abutting a single story industrial building on the Fiberite property
to the north. Across the street to the east is the Killefer School facility
and park. The property itself is just over 7,000 square feet in size,
contains a small, single story house which is less than 750 square feet
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and a detached structure. The application is to construct a 1200 square
foot, three bedroom, 2-story house at the rear of the property, behind
the existing home. The new house would have a 10 1/2 side yard
setback from the southerly property line and a setback varying from 10
feet to 20 feet in the rear yard from the westerly property line. The
new home would have an attached two-car garage. The project also
includes demolition and replacement of the existing accessory structure
with aone-car detached garage for the front house. The Design Review
Board has reviewed this project twice. The project has been re-
designed in accordance with the Design Review Board's
recommendations in regards to reducing the bulk of the building and to
shift a portion of the second story further toward the north, away from
the residential area. Under the existing zoning and General Plan, the
property owner is entitled to two units on the property since it is zoned
for duplexes and a C.U.P. would not be required if the buildings were
single story. Aside from the height issue, the project has complied with
all zoning ordinance requirements.
The public hearing was opened.
Applicant
Daniel Gehman, Owner/Builder Network, 15375 Barranca Parkway,
Suite C-102, Irvine, is the architect for the project representing the
owner. The project is proposed for a zone that allows two dwellings to
be on one site. The house has been designed in such a way as to be
complimentary to both the existing structure on the site and the houses
surrounding it. They tried to exceed the requirements of the regular
zoning ordinance in hopes that it would make the site more pleasant
and enjoyable for the people who live there.
Commissioner Bosch explained the reason the applicant was before the
Commission was not relative to the potential of providing a second unit
on the property, but relative to the height given that the surrounding
residences were all single story. This causes a special condition where
the applicant needs to demonstrate that the proposed project would not
be detrimental to the surrounding neighborhood. He asked the
applicant to address that aspect of the project.
Mr. Gehman responded atwo-story residence allowed them to keep a
maximum amount of open space on the site. It's the owner's goal to
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upgrade the entire property. By building atwo-story unit, it allows
them to also build atwo-car. garage. They were trying to maximize
useable ground floor open space. The immediately adjacent neighbors
do have single story homes; however, the Fiberite building is a very tall
single story structure. There is a house on the corner of Lemon and
Walnut which is very similar to what they propose.
Those speakin in opposition
Kellee Ruiz, 5 7 8 North Lemon Street, felt the builder has not taken the
neighbors into consideration. Fiberite is a very large building and they
have learned to accept the fact that it is in their neighborhood. There
are no two-story buildings on their block, nor on the block on the back
side of them. The proposed project will be built on a small lot. There is
not enough space for a single story unit; that's why they are building
up. The project will be detrimental to the neighborhood. She does not
want to see two story units. She did not have a problem with aone-
story unit.
Beatrice Vega, 486 North Olive Street, opposed the project in her
neighborhood. More density and traffic will not help the neighborhood.
She didn't oppose a second dwelling -- just the size.
Vince Rodriguez, 400 North Citrus, represented his parents who lived at
568 North Lemon. They shared the concern for the density of the
neighborhood. Issues included traffic, lack of privacy and gang activity.
Rebuttal
Mr. Gehman said regardless of the size of the dwelling, they were
required to provide the same number of parking spaces. They are
exceeding the amount of covered parking. With the approval for aone-
story unit, it would produce the same number of trips on a daily basis;
traffic is not the issue, but rather the height of the building. They feel
their project is in keeping with the neighborhood and will enhance the
property considerably.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Scott acknowledged the Commission received a petition of
69 signatures opposing the project.
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Commissioner Bosch expressed his concern about the two-story issue.
It's true the parking meets the current zoning ordinance for the site.
The height and privacy of the people is critical. The unit, as designed,
proposes windows in every direction and looks into every yard. It's an
imposition. The design of the site provides some reasonable private
space for the new unit, but none for the front unit. The second story is
an unnecessary imposition on the neighbors. The surrounding
neighborhood is all single story and should remain so.
Commissioner Scott could not understand the dimensions shown on the
plot plan. It implies the driveway going back to the second unit as
being 21 feet. But if the planters were removed, there would only be
12 feet, which is shown at the top. This would be considered a
substandard measurement.
Commissioner Bosch noted the project is categorically exempt from the
provisions of the California Environmental Quality Act.
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Master, to
deny Conditional Use Permit 1950-92, given that the rights of the
property owner to develop a second unit in conformance with the
zoning ordinance exists without regard to the application for the C.U.P.
in that they can build a single story second unit on the property; and
since the conditional use permit should be granted upon sound
principles of land use and should not be granted if it will cause
deterioration of bordering land uses and must be considered in
relationship to its effect on the community and neighborhood plan for
the area in which it is to be located in that the remainder of the
residential area on the block consists of single family residences, that
the proposal as presented to the Commission would in fact cause
deterioration and have a negative impact upon the immediate area.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
Ms. Wolff explained the appeal procedure to the applicant.
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IN RE: NEW HEARING
March 2, 1992
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 14577, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 1952-92,
NEGATIVE DECLARATION 1401-92 -THOMAS A. WILLIAMS
A request for a tentative tract map for condominium purposes and to
consolidate two parcels of land. The development project consists of 9
dwelling units in the R-3 (multi-family residential) zone. Subject
property is located on the north side of Lincoln Avenue, approximately
970 feet east of Glassell Street, and 400 feet west of Cottonwood Street,
addressed 341 East Lincoln Avenue.
NOTE: In compliance with the California Environmental Quality
Act, Negative Declaration 1401-91 has been prepared for
this project.
A staff report was not presented and the public hearing was opened.
Applicant
Robert Colin, 1247 North Glassell, handed the Commission exhibits of the
project's elevations. This is a revised project and they're hoping to
build 9 units, rather than the 11 units previously requested. They have
designed four individual buildings to maintain an individuality among
the tenants, giving space between the buildings for more privacy.
Private space has also been provided at the rear of the property; open
space for the front units. They propose a 6 foot high wall at the front
units and understand an Administrative Adjustment is needed for the
actual height of the wall. The wall will serve two purposes by enclosing
a patio area for the residents and help diffuse noise from the street. He
addressed the parking circulation and with some minor adjustments,
can obtain at least two feet between the back of the parking spaces and
garage doors. They propose six spaces for guest parking -- 2.6 parking
spaces per unit. Mr. Colin reviewed the staff report and addressed
staffs concerns (i.e., privacy wall at front patios, guest parking, vehicle
turn around and the concern about the 4-way stop). He believed this
plan was self-securing. People will be looking at each other, creating a
Neighborhood Watch" atmosphere. He agreed with the conditions of
approval.
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Commissioner Bosch found one condition of approval that would be hard
to do and asked staff to clarify it with the Fire Department -- Condition
11 where the O.F.D. requires their fire connection not be affixed to any
building, and must be located at least 40 feet away from the building.
Commissioner Bosch liked the way the private open spaces have been
developed except for the front setbacks. He understands that now they
are asking for an Administrative Adjustment that wasn't previously
brought to the Commission. What are the limitations on the percentage?
Ms. Wolff responded on a front yard setback the allowance would be
20%. Or, it's a 10% adjustment on other requirements. In terms of the
wall height, it would be an additional 109%.
Commissioner Bosch was concerned about the privacy into the front
yards with a low wall. How did they intend to offset that given the 42
inch height?
Ms. Wolff said the only way a 6 foot wall would work in the area is if
the Commission determines an Administrative Adjustment were
appropriate and they were willing to adjust the front yard setback from
15 feet to 12 feet.
Commissioner Bosch had serious concerns about the sight lines at the
four way intersection in the middle of the site. There is a potential
liability situation in that one is not able to see beyond that since there is
no pedestrian sidewalk access from the street back to the rear units.
How would the applicant suggest mitigating that? His other concern
was with Unit 5A and the clearance between the guest parking spaces
and sidewalk to get back into that unit. Fire access and life safety needs
to be reviewed. It's too small of an area. How can that be mitigated?
Mr. Colin said a hammer head was required to be put in. At that point
they will address the buildings to get them back somewhat to provide
space for a sidewalk and allow for more open space. He proposes to
address Building 3A, but not to sacrafice the patio area to gain vision on
the east side.
Commissioner Murphy had specific concerns about the Police
Department's issues with the project. Why is the applicant questioning
the P.D.'s recommendations regarding entrances and garage openings?
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Mr. Colin has talked with Jerry Burgess, Crime Prevention Bureau, and
found out what they were looking for. He believes their design meets
the Police Department's expectations.
Tom Williams, owner of the project, 2630 Vista Point, said the project is
zoned for apartments or condominiums and this has been his third time
before the Commission. Originally they proposed 11 units but it has
been scaled down to 9 units. The plans have been revised per the
Commission's input, which enhances the project. The community has no
opposition and he is seeking a favorable decision.
The public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Bosch was not opposed to the project. Remarkable steps
have been made in a positive direction to turn the earlier submittals
into something that really works. It's a difficult site. This use for the
site is the best anyone could hope for given the alternatives the
Commission might see proposed for it. He appreciated how the density
has been brought down and the sensitivity to the neighboring
condominium units. There's a few minor items which seem nit picky,
but they're critical to being sure there is a safe, livable environment on
this spot. He hopes conditions can be placed so that the minor items can
be solved. His key concerns were the fire safety aspects of access to
Unit SA and the lack of vision lines at several of the corners of the
middle cross intersection drives on the site. He is not opposed to an
Administrative Adjustment of the fence in order to provide livable
privacy. He shares the concerns about input from the Police
Department on making defensible space within the unit and hopes
something can be developed to make that work. He'd look for a way to
stipulate to adjustment of the interior cross drives to allow safe fire
access and some vision at the corners, in addition to Mr. Colin's
stipulation to slight off setting of the garage doors on the easterly and
westerly pair of garages to give a little back out space to the parking
next to them.
Commissioner Scott noted in the staff report listed under Item 17,
second paragraph, that the rear of the property is going to be raised two
to three feet higher than the surrounding parcels. They're encompassed
with a six foot high block wall. By putting in a retaining wall the
privacy effect will be lost. Is there a condition requiring a 6 foot wall
from the high grade side on condominium projects?
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Ms. Wolff responded there is not a requirement for a property line
division wall because the zoning is the same on both sides of it. There is
a definition of wall height, which measures that height from the high
grade side. It's clearly understood that under the ordinance the six foot
fence is measured from the high side.
Commissioner Scott suggested adding a condition for a six foot block
wall fence along the property lines measured from the high grade side.
Commissioner Murphy shared the Commission's thoughts about liking a
condominium development and appreciated the efforts thus far. But he
still has concerns based on the public safety issues that were raised. He
suggested a short continuance to allow some response to the issues
raised at this hearing, as well as an additional comment from the public
safety divisions to help clarify these issues. He encouraged the activity
and development and hopefully there is a solution that can be
addressed in a timely fashion.
Commissioner Bosch suggested looking to the applicant for his
stipulation of a continuance. Along with the Administrative Adjustment
to allow the front setback and fence, the Commission should also include
a condition that no air conditioning equipment or other mechanical
equipment shall be located within the required front setback.
The applicant stipulated to a continuance of two weeks.
Moved by Commissioner Murphy, seconded by Commissioner Bosch, to
continue Tentative Tract Map 14577, Conditional Use Permit 1952-92,
an Administrative Adjustment and Negative Declaration 1401-92 to the
meeting of March 16, 1992, as the first item on the Agenda.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
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IN RE: MISCELLANEOUS
March 2, 1992
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 3-91-B, ZONE CHANGE 1112-89,
NEGATIVE DECLARATION 1294-89 - A & A VENTURES
The City Council is seeking a recommendation from the Planning
Commission regarding a revised request by A & A ventures concerning
a 3.9 acre property located on the east side of Crawford Canyon Road,
approximately 400 feet south of Chapman Avenue.
The Planning Commission last heard this item on December 2, 1991, at
which time the applicant requested an amendment to the General Plan,
to change the land use designation from Open Space to Low/Medium
Density Residential (6-1 S units per acre) and apre-zone change to
reclassify the property from the County of Orange AR-20,000-SR District
Agriculture, minimum lot size 20,000 square feet, sign restricted) to
the City R-2-8 District (Residential duplex, minimum lot size 8,000
square feet).
The revised request is for a General Plan designation of Low Density
Residential (2-6 units per acre) and apre-zone change to R-1-6 (Single
family residential, minimum lot size 6,000 square feet).
The City Council requested the Commission's recommendation and
comments on this item.
Mr. Godlewski stated at the City Council meeting it was the Council's
desire to have the Commission's input and have the item back before
the Council within 45 days. In order to do this, staff put it on the
Environmental Review Board's Agenda for their comments and put it on
the Commission's Agenda for comments. He spoke with the applicant in
the afternoon, this date. Staff did not specifically notify anyone of the
hearing. The applicant was unaware of the item being discussed at the
Planning Commission Meeting and requested a continuance to March 16,
1992. He was reminded of the Council's desire to get the item back in a
timely manner. He was only going to add additional grading to show
how they would propose to develop the property under R-1-6. Staff
received a letter from Mr. Evans requesting he have an opportunity to
speak.
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Commissioner Scott said the Commission also received a letter from Ms.
Grindle.
Those speaking in opyosition
Paul Evans, 242-19 Crawford Canyon Road, is the President of the Board
of Directors of Stonehenge. They are strongly opposed to developing the
hillside, which is directly opposite to them. The density is inconsistent
with the country-like rural lifestyle of Crawford Canyon. A number of
retaining walls would have to be built to maintain the 1:1 slopes. This
is a great concern to them. Their development consists of 1 1/2 to 1
slopes and there have been occasions of severe damage because of the
expansive soil. They are also concerned about traffic safety.
Shirley Grindle, 19051 Glen Arran, did extensive research of the entire
property down at the County since the City Council hearing. She gave
the Commission a fact sheet and can back up her statements with
documents. This piece of property was part of the Brigham Young
property that was a 329 acre parcel of land that was negotiated in the
East Orange General Plan which the City and County adopted. This
parcel was part of the open space that was traded off by B.Y.U. for the
developable areas on that property. When B.Y.U. sold the property to
Baldwin, a tract map was submitted to the City of Orange and it
included this parcel as the open space in accordance with the East
Orange General Plan. However, a few months later a revised tract map
was submitted and this parcel had been dropped off. It was dropped
off because if he doesn't have this property that fronts Crawford Canyon
Road, then he doesn't have to improve that road. It's obvious it was to
his benefit -- he couldn't develop it; why should he have to improve
Crawford Canyon Road so he dropped it off. She spent 10 hours at the
County looking through the tax records, etc. In 1988 the four acres was
bought by A&A for $12,500.00. That's not bad for rock. It was a
property value placed on open space. She requested the Commission
transmit to the City Council some more of the background on this
property. This property was never planned for development. It's
shown on the County's General Plan as open space and is zoned AR-
20,000. She believed this property should never be developed. She
gave Mr. Godlewski the zoning map for the property, as well as the
Mining Company restaurant that adjoins it. The restaurant is
surrounded by a buffer zone (open space zone).
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Commissioner Murphy asked if Ms. Grindle had the site plans or maps
which could be submitted for the record?
Staff had those plans/maps.
Commissioner Master asked what the current theme was regarding
open space in the County?
Ms. Grindle could tell the Commission the County was in the process of
accepting title to 30 acres of open space in the El Modena Hills
adjoining it on the north side -- highest peak) . There was a period of
time the County was not accepting open space, but that has passed.
Alice Clark, 205 North Pine, commented it was the first time in 20 or 25
years that she has been on the same side as Shirley Grindle.
Bob Bennyhoff, 10642 Morada Drive, Orange Park Acres, stated this
project has been around for awhile and everyone is still opposed to it.
It should remain as open space and not be developed.
Greg Puckett, 242 South Crawford Canyon Road #31, addressed the
issues of the 1:1 grade, traffic, parking, congestion and density.
Ms. Grindle added the only redeeming asset for the City to allow
development on the property is to achieve the improvement of
Crawford Canyon Road. The County is never going to widen Crawford
Canyon Road south of here because it is a narrow, winding road. It's
long been accepted that it is just a political impossibility to widen that
road. The problem with the road in this vicinity is crowding.
Commissioner Scott said there was a possibility of two recommendations
to the City Council. One, is to continue the item as requested by the
applicant for a period of two weeks. However, the applicant is not
present to stipulate to a continuance and waive the 30-45 days. Does
that mean the Commission approved it in silence?
Mr. Soo-Hoo responded the Government Code that regulates the
procedure specifies that if the Planning Commission, after being
referred an item by the City Council, does not respond within 40 days,
then it is deemed an approval by the Planning Commission. He was not
sure of the time frames, but if a continuance would jeopardize that 40
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days, there would be concern. He preferred to observe the developer's
due process rights to rebut in order to make his presentation, but if
there is a problem with time, that would be the main concern.
Commissioner Scott said the other recommendation to the Council would
either be to approve as submitted or denied as previously
recommended.
Even though Commissioner Murphy was concerned about the due
process rights of the applicant, he said the compelling reasons heard at
the meeting further substantiate the wisdom of their original decision
and recommendation to the Council. That was to leave it as open space
with a back side recommendation that at the very most it be zoned as
R-1-20. That addresses the density issues that are of concern; it doesn't
address all the environmental concerns though.
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Murphy, to
recommend to the City Council that the Commission found the Negative
Declaration to be inadequate for a host of compelling reasons and that
the comments of the Commission that the R-1-20 zoning would be
appropriate was based upon the assertion that the property was not
open space as part of the original and adjacent approvals. Had they
known that more clearly at the time, as learned at this meeting relative
to the County records, it would have not stood. The Commission was
concerned about the process, but this wasn't a public hearing per se.
The applicant still has adequate protection because it still must be
heard at the City Council level. There is no reason to change their denial
of fact, but based upon the history that has been given, it strengthens
the fact the property should remain as open space.There was no reason
for that application to be before the Commission whatsoever to piece
meal the property. It was further stated that the Commission should
rescind its previous recommendation regarding the R-1-20 zoning if the
land were to be developed. There is no appropriate development on
this parcel; it should remain as open space.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
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IN RE: ADTOURNMENT
March 2, 1992
Moved by Commissioner Bosch, seconded by Commissioner Murphy, to
adjourn to the next regularly scheduled Planning Commission Meeting,
March 16, 1992; then adjourn to a study session to review the potential
re-zoning of the Southwest Quadrant of Old Towne on Monday, March
23, 1992 in the Weimer Room at 5:30 p.m.
AYES: Commissioners Bosch, Master, Murphy, Scott
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cathcart MOTION CARRIED
The meeting adjourned at 8:35 p.m.
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